During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to yet another Nyarlathotep.
You know, I wonder if there are any versions of him that qualify for MB status.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Yet another Nya, and our second Loud House CM (first being Linka).
Edited by MasterN on Feb 5th 2020 at 9:30:15 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Nice avatar. Probably my favorite gang of hunters from that game.
Yes to Nyarlathotep.
~ACW, does the Wife Husbandry pothole really make sense in Crepitus' writeup? Because he's not Ellie's guardian (if anything, he's her grand-uncle dad), and she doesn't even know about him until like halfway through the movie. Though I think the Parental Incest pothole (which I see you deleted from the writeup) could be easily replaced by Villainous Incest.
Edited by Stellarvore on Feb 5th 2020 at 12:47:43 PM
Foreign Troper
To answer the question one page back, I don't think A Lighter Shade of Black and CM are compatible since that trope is about portraying one side as actually sympathetic in a sense.
Lesser of Two Evils however might work if one CM is simply more destructive than the other.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
@Klavice: condolences over your ferret. Please take all the time you need.
nyarlathotep (that's a bastard to type on mobile)
Edit: Fanscription folder
sometimes we have a CM who's a "servant" of the Big Bad, like in Far Cry 4 or the 2014 version of Thief. Generally they lack any redeeming qualities or good intentions of their masters (though sometimes their masters are even worse), and may even seek to overthrow them.
Edit 2: ![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
burn that quote.
Edited by captainmarkle on Feb 6th 2020 at 8:48:20 PM
Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
Nyarlathotep.
Yet another Nyarlathotep, also throwing in a late to the idea of a Fanscription folder on Fan Works
I mentioned this on the quotes cleanup thread, but got no replies. I really don't think this quote on the quotes page in the video game folder works
It doesn't actually say what evil deeds he does or how he's horrifically vile
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An Eldritch Troper
Cut that quote, please.
Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
to Nylarthotep and cut the quote. Yeah there are still lots of quotes that needs to be cut from the CM quote page
Goku Black
Remove that quote.
Edited by miraculous on Feb 6th 2020 at 12:45:45 PM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
Cut the quote.
Sure to Nyarly (as expected) and the Fanscription folder.
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
I mentioned this in Image Suggestion thread, but it seems to be ignored, so I say that here. How about this image for Mega Man monster page?
Edited by VeryVileVillian on Feb 6th 2020 at 12:36:08 PM
An Eldritch Troper
Got a quote to match the image? I like it though.
Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
Sure to the image.
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Do we have a directory of actors who have both played Complete Monsters and fought Complete Monsters? Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing are the first come to mind, if only because I've been watching Nightmare Theatre on my PBS station and Horror Express was shown as part of the series.
Fanscription Folder and Nyarly.
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Vincent Price.
Yes to Nyarly.
Edited by ACW on Feb 6th 2020 at 6:05:27 AM
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Sure to the Sigma image
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- "What if Luke Skywalker Died in 'Return of the Jedi'?": Emperor Palpatine is the sadistic head of the Galactic Empire. Overseeing the creation of the Starkiller Base by ordering the hollowing out of the moon Endor, Palpatine lures the Rebel forces into a trap and tries to tempt Luke Skywalker to the Dark Side, only to resort to torturing him with Force Lightning when the latter refuses. Palpatine also issued several contingency plans to set into motion in the events of his death, as shown when Endor is rigged to detonate, ensuring posthumously that Palpatine took enemies and allies alike with him in a fiery blaze. Appearing again as a slightly different version as a posthumous hologram, Palpatine demands the activation of a protocol that when unleashed would cause the deaths of billions regardless of which side they are on.
- "What If 'Ghostbusters II' Was Better?": This take on Vigo the Carpathian is much darker than his canon counterpart. A bloody tyrant who killed and tortured thousands in life, as a ghost, he lords over a hellish dimension where he torments the spirits of his victims and feeds off their fear. Orchestrating a series of hauntings in New York to grow his power and influence, and according to a prophecy would return from the dead with a bride and child at his side; from this, he targets Peter's pregnant fiancée Dana and plans to bind her soul to his with a cursed wedding ring. Through his minions, he gets the Ghostbusters shut down as he continuously makes advancements on Dana. When the time is right, Vigo's army is unleashed upon the city, possessing its many statues to wreak havoc and endanger its people. When the Ghostbusters team up with Vigo's vengeful victims to break his hold, Vigo briefly possesses Peter and attempts to forcibly marry Dana in a last ditch effort to win.
- "What If Scar Raised Simba In 'The Lion King'?", Scar is as monstrous as his animated counterpart. Kidnapping Simba after staging a wildebeest stampede, Scar brands Simba's right eye and brainwashes him into believing he was his father. He was also apathetic to the hyenas' overhunting, leading to the devastation of the Pride Lands. Subjecting the young cub to years of systematic abuse and starvation, Scar and Simba invade the Pride Lands with Scar halting his victory to gleefully rub Simba's transformation in Mufasa's face before killing him. Scar then captures the crown prince Kion, and plans to execute him the next morning, falsely promising to spare him if he affirmed his rule to the pride. When Simba betrays him, Scar tries to kill him without an iota of remorse.
- "What If The Joker Was In 'The Dark Knight Rises'?" two-parter: The Joker as always is a cruel monster. After being released from Arkham Asylum by Selina Kyle, the Joker decides he likes the new Gotham. Taking over the Narrows, the Joker runs a court where he sentences people to death by walking across the frozen river. Angered at Bane, Joker has his men suicide bomb his territory. Taking Gordon and his men hostage, Joker taunts him, shoots some of his men, and attacks Miranda Tate, before sentencing them to the ice. Killing Bane and Talia al Ghul, the Joker tries to make sure the bomb goes off, determined that they all go out together.
- "What If We Fixed 'The Haunted Mansion' Movie?": The Phantom, real name Henry Ravenswood, the owner of the mansion, is worse than any villain from the film. Once a wealthy man who got rich from mining coal and was searching for the gold from Big Thunder Mountain, Ravenswood murdered four of his daughter Melanie's past suitors to keep the gold for himself. Ravenswood killed the fifth, Jake, on his and Melanie's wedding night, when Jake found some of the gold, before blowing up the mine to cover his tracks, killing several miners and destroying a large portion of Thunder Mesa. Ravenswood's final living act was to curse everyone at the party, including Melanie, to a never-ending cycle of torment. In the present, Ravenswood rules the mansion and the Phantom Canyon with an iron fist, tricking the caretaker Clyde into helping him keep power. When Jim Evers, Sarah, and her children arrive, Ravenswood tries to repeatedly stop them from learning the truth, including invading their dreams and attempting to kill them in a mine shaft, before trying to kill the two children just to spite them. A petty, selfish man, Ravenswood saw everyone and everything in the mansion as his property to do with as he pleases.
Goku Black
Where do you want to put it ?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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I plan to put it after the MLP and RWBY stuff. Also, since that will require a slight reformatting of the page, lemme get Kaa while I'm at it:
- The Jungle Book (2016) (with elements of The Jungle Book (1967)) fanfic The Jungle Book - my own remake: Kaa, unlike her film and animated counterparts, is portrayed as a Serial Killer in a python's skin. A ruthless and cruel predator who seems to enjoy killing her prey more than eating it, Kaa lures the man-cub Mowgli into her coils by falsely promising to keep him safe, before attempting to devour him. Reveling in the suffering of her prey, Kaa takes a twisted delight in torturing her victims, sadistically inviting Raksha to "scream for her" whilst trying to kill her, and spitefully attempting to devour the wolf pup Grey, for minorly injuring her—and bruising her ego—whilst forcing Raksha to watch. Using a façade of sweetness to conceal the bloodthirsty monster she is within, Kaa stands out as one of the jungle's vilest residents.
EDIT: Fan Works Monster Reformat
Edited by ACW on Feb 6th 2020 at 6:39:16 AM
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Also, RIP Kirk Douglas. Has he played any CM?
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Surprised?