Getting Crap Past the Radar cleanup

The Pepper/Melody thing looks more like Ho Yay. Is "ass" really innocent enough to slip by? It's low level cursing but still often seen as too far cursing in kids media.

"Ass" would probably not get past, but "jackass" is generally OK, since it means either "donkey" or "fool" but not "backside".

A video example of this trope just got added that might not fit the trope (from Ed, Edd n Eddy.) Do I bring it here, or the Video Examples thread?

Probably bring it up in both just to be safe.

That's really DIH.

Going to take a look at Radar.The Avengers.

Well that's good, it means there won't be too many examples.

Who says that Energy Beings can't have pleasure?

• The time when Korvac and Carina fused their bodies and souls during the "Korvac saga". It was basically about Energy Beings "having sex" than about an actual physical action, but the face of Carina was so... you know...
  • The narration in that scene is pretty blatant too: 'as he softly slips between the delicate folds of Carina's soul'. Yeah, that's one word away from porn.

This happened in 1978, across Avengers 1:167-177. This example is valid, as it clearly violates the "no salacious images" clause.

This was Avengers 1:15, from 1965. The relevant clauses are A(6) and A(7):

(6) In every instance good shall triumph over evil and the criminal punished for his misdeeds.
(7) Scenes of excessive violence shall be prohibited. Scenes of brutal torture, excessive and unnecessary knife and gunplay, physical agony, gory and gruesome crime shall be eliminated.

Hmm. I feel like this was as far as they could get away with while still remaining Code-compliant. Zemo died, but his death wasn't gory or excessive, plus he's a Nazi. There's no way the censor missed this, so upon consideration, I think this is just about Code-compliant.

Eh, maybe. This example is pretty vague, and the troper might be reading too much into it.

Not an example. This is what she looked like in her first appearance◊ in The X-Men 1:4 (March 1965), and this doesn't violate the Code. Interestingly, her costume got more revealing as the Code loosened up.

My reading of the Religion section is that it would be acceptable to portray racist behaviour negatively. In any case, the comic doesn't directly attack any specific ethnic group, so it's probably allowed.

By 1968, bikinis were generally culturally acceptable, and this sounds like it was played for humour rather than titillation.

Sounds like this is from The Celestial Madonna Saga, which ran in Avengers 1:123-135 (May 1974 to May 1975). Hmm. This example sounds more like Accidental Innuendo.

A bit borderline, but I think this one is also valid.

I'm going to take a look at Radar.Don Rosa now.

Rosa is already listed on Main.Getting Crap Past The Radar, as he intentionally put things in to see if his editor was paying attention, and sometimes it turned out the editor was distracted. So his comics do indeed, but his own admission, exhibit this trope. However, this doesn't mean we need to list everything that looks a little suggestive; indeed, without Word of God and not knowing that Disney's internal policies might be, we're probably better off leaving the example at Rosa's quote from Ducks, Dimes, and Automobiles.

Still, we should at least look at the examples and see if there's anything that definitely qualifies.

• In Trash or Treasure, Donald finds what looks like a 1927 French pin-up calendar among Scrooge's belongings. Scrooge looks at a picture and becomes extremely excited:
  Scrooge: Look at "July"! Hubba-hubba-hubba!
  Donald: Wow! Let me see!
  (he looks and is disappointed, though not surprised, to find what is actually featured)
  Donald: "Beautiful banks of France" [...] (meanwhile, Scrooge continues looking at the pictures, sweating and shouting "Ooo La La!")

Finding somebody attractive is acceptable. The joke is that Scrooge is attracted to money the way Donald is attacted to anthropomorphic ducks.

This comic came out in 2000, and was not approved by the Comics Code. Those jokes are also pretty darn mild.

This comic was originally published in Denmark in 1997, which never had any rules about comics content. It was published in America in 1998, and I haven't been able to find any evidence it was approved by the Comics Code. The content also looks to be pretty standard Duckverse antics.

This one was published in 2001, and was not approved by the Comics Code. Women slapping men for coming on aggressively is a pretty common gag in comics and cartoons, and doesn't seem out of place in Duckverse comics.

OK, that's funny. Parental Bonus, Expospeak Gag, or possibly Toilet Humour, but not GCPTR.

It's just kissing.

Joke of the Butt

Looking at the Final Fantasy page.

Final Fantasy

• The line "Ye've got cannon balls of steel to be takin' on the great pirate Bikke!"

Final Fantasy II

• The GBA remake slipped a swear past the censors in an E-rated game. Just as Josef is about to face death, he says "Dammit!" This doesn't apply in the PSP port, where it was rated T.

Final Fantasy V

• 5 was already more comedy-oriented than much of the series, but this line is golden. From Ghido, an elderly talking turtle: "I'm a bit too old to do much on my back anymore." How on earth that got past the radar, we may never know.

• Then there's the spellbook with the centerfold: (Searching for a book) "A... As... Oh! it's about donkeys!"

• There's an amusing but subtle example in which a drunken man in a bar happily tells you "Knights do it two-handed!"

Final Fantasy VI

• In 6, there's a scene about a third of the way through the game when Cyan, Sabin, and Gau arrive in a port city after getting off The Veldt. There's a woman hanging out inside a bar in the town, who begins flirting with Cyan, and showing him 'humpty and dumpty' (Direct quote.) If that weren't enough, Gau, a thirteen year old boy, fully witnessed it. There's also teen pregnancy and the text "Bushido in the Bedroom".

Final Fantasy VII

• Before even leaving the first town, you've seen Cloud dressed as a transvestite hooker in an area full of gay clichés (and if you don't get the absolute best items for each one, including a "squat thrust" contest for a wig, he'll be given to Don Corneo's underlings instead), and this is just the beginning. This sequence was so notorious that when Final Fantasy VII Remake was announced, pretty much the first thing the developers confirmed was that they would try and keep as much of it in as possible... and the second was an admission that it could not be as extreme in the Remake because the original script was so offensive they'd never get it past the radar these days.

• Barret, Cid, and (once) Cloud also all say the word "shit" fairly frequently: This was replaced with Symbol Swearing in the later PC version due to the fact that it really should not have been in there at that rating. Though interestingly, by the time Remake came around, "shit" has become more acceptable at a T rating, with Cloud saying it with relative frequency and even Aerith gets one instance of the word.

• The original scene for Cloud and Tifa's sexual encounter would have had Tifa getting embarrassed for being seen Sex Dressed. This was cut for being too racy, and so in the final version Tifa freaks out upon realizing that the rest of the party may or may not have been "watching" while they were having sex, something that's way worse.

Final Fantasy VIII

• 8 has you getting a porn magazine called Girl Next Door. No, you can't actually read it, unlike all the other magazines.

Final Fantasy IX

• 9 has a scene where Zidane and Vivi piss in the ocean, with dialogue that makes it sound like Zidane's teaching Vivi something else, while a secluded Eiko looks on.

• It also has a character referencing a scene from a romance play where a man sneaks into his lover's bed chamber, Zidane suggesting Garnet can't sleep because she's too lonely and him outright grabbing her ass while they're both climbing a ladder.

• 9 has a rather uncomfortable character design for Eiko: her pants are somehow cut and show part of her legs. Unfortunately, it's the inside part of her legs which is shown. Including the crotch◊. Of course, she is supposed to wear slim underwear and not actually be naked, but you'd think they could have chosen a less confusing color than pale pink for that.

Final Fantasy X

• While the romantic cutscene at the lake in X does keep everyone fully clothed during the parts we see, Tidus and Yuna look rather tapped out at the end, and their hair is messy. The lake scene was essentially G-Rated Sex so this is expected. This would go under "suggestive theme" regardless.

Final Fantasy X-2

• X-2 has the three protagonists taking a dip in a hot spring, with Rikku comparing breast sizes with the others. Brother, Yuna's cousin, tries to grab her in a cutscene. Also the massage minigame with erotic moans when you press the right spot.

Final Fantasy XII

• XII has wolves that are common enemies in the early portions of the game. They are textured realistically to the point where looking under their tails shows their private parts and all of the wolves are female. The HD remaster naturally makes this more clear to see. The very fact this wasn't changed in the remaster means it wasn't on the radar. It's just detailed chjaracter design.
• At one point when the party has been captured by the empire aboard the Dreadnought Leviathan, Fran goes berserk, breaks out of her shackles, and proceeds to beat the hell out of their captors. Penelo then asks what's wrong with her, to which Balthier states that Fran "doesn't take well to being tied up."

Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings

• At one point, a foul-mouthed moogle (that's what the game calls him) unleashes an apparently expletive-laden rant at Fran ending with "and your chocobo too!" The context makes it clear that he was essentially saying, "fuck you and the horse you rode on."

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance

• The game sneaks a "...the castle be damned!" through the censors. See my comment on a single "dammit" above

Final Fantasy XIII

• Sazh's Chocobo Chick chirps something at one point to which Sazh responds, "Hurry the what up?"

• Vanille starts up a ladder with Sazh in behind her (the implications don't seem to occur to her, by the way.) The camera then switches to Sazh's first-person POV. He... forgets to look away until the Chocobo chick flits in front of his line of sight at the last second.

Final Fantasy XV

• Mostly averted with the female characters in the dossier and some of the bestiary monsters, as the camera locks in place to prevent this. Probably a good thing too, as one of the characters, Iris Amicitia, is only 15.

I agree.

On What If…? S1E6 "What If… Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?"

• Getting Crap Past the Radar: Tony's first line to Erik at the party celebrating his return:
  Tony: Terrorists, corporate raiders, Maxim cover models. What do they all have in common? They came for the king.

Something about this entry rubs me the wrong way. I don't know the context, but I feel like this is a non-example regardless

I know Marvel has a lot of kid fans but I'm pretty sure that show is aimed at teens and up, right?

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 15th 2021 at 3:26:03 PM

It's TV-14, so yes

Edited by KingofNightmares on Sep 15th 2021 at 12:00:59 PM

It might be a genuine Double Entendre. The MCU has had sex references even on Disney plus with Wandavision

I'm still pretty sure that innuendoes are perfectly fine for a TV-14 show

At TV-14 you can show people fucking. That's a Double Entendre, not GCPTR.

Time to go through Radar.The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck.

This comic was first published in Denmark from 1992 - 1994, and in America from 1994 - 1996. It does not appear to have been approved by the Comics Code Authority. The page opens with a quote from Don Rosa stating that he did indeed get a few things past his Danish editor, but absent Word of God, we can't say what those might have been; for all we know, it might have been something like a ban on referencing living people rather than anything to do with sex or violence.

Still, let's take a look.

I mean, she is carrying actual pipes. And even as slang, pipes refers to one's voice, not anything else. There's nothing dirty here.

He doesn't actually use a curse, and if a child as what Flintheart is full of, their parent will say "nonsense". Not an example.

Noodle Incident. They don't show what happens, just tell us that it's bad. And the fact that Angus breaks the fourth wall to say the censor would never allow it means that the editor defintely saw it.

But he doesn't do it, and merely threatening to throw someone overboard is pretty common in children's media.

1. That looks like Have a Gay Old Time
2. Explosions are pretty common in children's media, even core Disney.

Judge Roy Bean knows what's up.

• The most famous incident probably occur in Prisoner Of White Agony Creek. A comic that could not show guns being pointed at people heavily implied that a lot of sex was going on.
  • Even Donald suspects what happened.◊
    • "Thank gosh!" With two innocent words, it's implied that Judge Roy Bean is thankful it's not a hangin' offense because Everybody Has Lots of Sex. Wow...
  • When going through a cave "guarded" by a thousands of years old frozen mammoth, Scrooge tells Goldie "Let's get on with it. Between the legs." Goldie's reaction◊ says it all.
  • Goldie at one point tells Scrooge: "You know what you can do with your gold dust, you *mumble*...". The implication being she wanted to tell him to "shove it".
  • There's Judge Roy Bean himself, who spends the entirety of the chapter constantly trying to hang people. A couple of times it even shows fully on panel him having hoisted someone up at the end of a rope, struggling to get free just before someone interrupts Bean.
  • Also about the mammoth: Scrooge teases Goldie that she doesn't have anything that big and hairy in her saloon. Goldie starts reminiscing about a "big Swede from Malmö" before thinking better of it and interrupting herself.
  • Don Rosa also had some fun by drawing this◊ picture. One can only guess what Goldie is saying.
  • A more debatable one, but in The Last Sled to Dawson, when Scrooge reunites with Goldie in the Blackjack Hotel, Goldie gives Scrooge a very teasing look and asks him "You need a place to stay tonight, Scrooge?". When he agrees to stay (after hearing it's free), but ignores and walks past her, Goldie looks very disappointed.

We don't know what rules Disney, Egmont, or Gladstone may have imposed. These all look very mild, vague, or noodley.

Donald shoving the triplets out of the room works because it's something the target audience have experienced for themselves - we've all had a moment when our parents declared something wasn't suitable and refused to tell us any more.

1. Just romance
2. If it's not Accidental Innuendo, it's just kissing.

So?

Nothing unsuitable for children.

1. What?
2. That's a stretch
3. Just romance

Breeding. He's talking about breeding. Children are aware that animals breed.

First, this trope either happens or does not happen; it can't be downplayed. And plenty of characters die in core Disney media.

Again, we have no evidence this was against Disney's rules at the time, and their movies have comparable content.

Toilet Humour

Conclusion: This can all be cut.

This was added to Courage the Cowardly Dog:

• Accidental Innuendo: In the episode "Hothead", Eustace goes into a building to help him grow hair. One of the questions the person on the speaker asks Eustace is "What's 414 divided by 6?" The answer is never given in the episode but when one does put it in a calculator, they will get...69.

This doesn't look accidental at all. May I move it to the main page as an example of Getting Crap Past the Radar? Or is there a more appropriate trope (Parental Bonus? Genius Bonus?)?

Edited by TantaMonty on Sep 18th 2021 at 5:59:51 AM

I dunno, I could go either way. It'd be kind of a weird coincidence to pick that out of all possible numbers, but any sort of sexual reference in the rest of what's written there seems like a real stretch.

Though if it's not deliberate, then I'd argue for cutting the Accidental Innuendo entry entirely anyway, because it's also a real stretch.

Edited by nrjxll on Sep 18th 2021 at 8:20:04 AM

If it is deliberate, we have LOL, 69.

GCPTR is a trope that requires citations. Which specific set of standards do you think it violated?

Got a question for the thread. Would a Chinese work that includes a reference to a now-deceased Japanese veteran of WWII, who served in the IJA and was deemed a Class B war criminal by the Japanese government after the war, without getting bonked in the head by the Ministry of Culture, count as GCPTR?

Edited by HashiriyaR32 on Sep 18th 2021 at 6:08:54 AM

If you can find some sort of source indicating that MiniCult should have bonked said movie, then go for it.

Since when are citations required? Just asking.

The new definition of GCPTR, established this year, requires citations.

Should it still be a Trope of Legend?