Is this an example?

Done. I would assume that it was originally in the Characters folder.

EDIT: I didn't mention that this is reposted.

I don't feel this example from Cinder's folder in Characters.The Makings Of Team CRME is an example and I feel the first paragraph fits more under Fatal Flaw. What do you all think?

Edited by RandomTroper123 on Sep 3rd 2022 at 11:05:15 AM

from A Beautiful Mind:

• E = MC Hammer: Averted. Ron Howard hired actual mathematics professors to hand double for Crowe during the writing sequences to make sure all of his equations were mathematically accurate.

is this a notable enough aversion to list? should it be listed as Defied instead?

I think that would just be Shown Their Work. Iirc, Defied has to be in-universe

Does this constitute an example of Infernal Retaliation, y'all think, or is it too oblique?

• In Dicey Dungeons, the Witch can throw her dice as a last-resort move, dealing one point of damage for each dice thrown — but if any of her dice are on fire (due to having been inflicted with Burn) they'll inflict two damage instead.

Doesn't indicate that the target gets set on fire and becomes more dangerous as a result, as opposed to just getting mildly singed, which is what I'd expect from that description. (Context makes it sound like a tiny amount of damage.)

Question: I want to add this example to Bury Your Art:

• The South Park episodes "Super Best Friends", "200", and "201" were removed from reruns and online platforms following threats made by Islamic extremists against the show's creators over the visual depictions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad in the episodes. Years later, when the show came to HBO Max, the "Cartoon Wars" two-parter would also be removed, likely for similar reasons as it also features a depiction of Muhammad.

This fits Bury Your Art, right? And I tried to be very delicate with my wording—do I still need to word this more carefully? (And as a side note, is the Cartoon Wars pothole considered a chained sinkhole?)

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Sep 3rd 2022 at 5:55:25 AM

That's more Executive Meddling, Parker and Stone were quite upset that Comedy Central censored them.

But there are other examples on Bury Your Art where someone other than the creator tried to bury them:

• Fox has adamantly refused to ever officially release Titus on any home release beyond two contractually obligated DVD sets in the early 2000's (which are long out of print and very expensive) or streaming platform, as Christopher Titus insulted the network executives when they suggested that his character break up with Erin in the show. Titus, however, has placed all the episodes on his personal channel on YouTube, and has vowed to keep them up until Fox demands that he stop.
• In mid-2022, due to internal restructuring at Warner Bros. Discovery, HBO Max pulled a number of shows off its library, including Uncle Grandpa, OK K.O.! Let's Be Heroes, Mao Mao: Heroes of Pure Heart, and Infinity Train, removed all references to them in official documentation and social media, and recalled DVD releases for tax writeoffs. Infinity Train currently remains purchasable digitally on sites like iTunes and Amazon Prime Video, but creator Owen Dennis voiced skepticism about the permanency of it, instead encouraging fans to pirate the show online.

Does something count as Bury Your Art if someone other than the creator tries to bury it?

As I read the trope, it's focusing mainly on creators burying their own work (normally out of embarassment). I would argue that networks/studios pulling items is not the same.

EDIT: That HBOMax is definitely misuse, that's internal politics resulting in cancellations and weird pulls

Edited by laserviking42 on Sep 3rd 2022 at 6:06:54 AM

Alright, so my example doesn't count.

Should I remove the two examples I brought up?

Looking at both of them, that's misuse in my book.

Alright, I've removed them. Thanks.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Sep 3rd 2022 at 6:09:01 AM

So the South Park example would fit under Banned Episode, FYI.

It's already listed there, but thanks.

I have these examples typed out, but not sure they count, so I haven't added them.

Can Americans Hate Tingle be two way if it's a crossover between international media, and neither fanbase likes it?

• A two way example happened with Welcome to the Internet, a collaborative EP between Russian rave band Little Big and American singer Oliver Tree. Western fans of Oliver Tree did not like how the hyper, energetic contributions of Little Big contrasted Oliver's typical music, which is more mellow and serious. Meanwhile, Russian fans of Little Big felt Oliver's presence was shoehorned in, and that he was only present in an attempt to give Little Big a western audience. As a result, the EP isn't well regarded by either fanbase.

Can something be an Un Entendre if there's no character to interpret the "entendre"? I guess in this case the "character" would be the listener, but I'm not sure it counts.

• In the outro of Yung Gravy's song "Patrice", he insists that the "gravy" he refers to in the intro is literal.
  Gravy: You know, this gravy shit isn't some weird fuckin' sexual metaphor. Your bitch legitimately has top shelf gravy on her hands, face, and knees.

A while back I listed the new Star Wars films as an example of Hijacked Destiny and another troper unilaterally deleted it last month, calling it "opinion-based". But isn't that exactly what happened? The entire saga was given a Happy Ending Override with everything the supposed "chosen ones" did being meaningless, only for another character to save the day and claim their name & legacy for themselves while they're at it. They even had people directly involved with the series stating that Rey was the real chosen one all along.

Your first example seems perfectly valid, I feel that the second one is more Get Your Mind Out of the Gutter but I'm not against it.

Edited by stankykong on Sep 3rd 2022 at 11:54:55 AM

i think the Un Entendre example is valid. not sure about the Americans Hate Tingle one, but i think it's also valid.

I don't think it's an opinion-based entry. I've restored it for now.

Warning, a minor spoiler to Midnight Mass (2021):

• Too Dumb to Live: Bowl is walking home at night and passes an abandoned house...the door of which creaks open loudly just as he's walked past. When he goes back to investigate, something within the house repeats everything he says. Thinking it's one of the teens he deals weed to, he enters and is promptly pounced on by the "Angel". Justified as Bowl has no real reason to be afraid of anyone on the island (the Sherrif mentions there is basically no violent crime in the town for a century), and has no reason to think it's anything but a harmless prank.

Is it really Too Dumb to Live if it's "justified"?

Edited by kundoo on Sep 4th 2022 at 6:59:29 AM

Would it still be Out with a Bang if the character died by autoerotic asphyxiation?

Edited by YuriHaru567 on Sep 4th 2022 at 3:05:06 AM

This was added to The Secret of NIMH.

• Ice-Cream Koan: The inscription on the back of the amulet: "You can unlock any door, if you only have the key".

I don't remember this phrase being treated as nonsensical in-universe, so does this count or is it just a troper complaining about this phrase not making sense?

Ice-Cream Koan does not say anything about having to be treated as nonsensical in-universe specifically - though it would probably be better if it did.

I believe that falls under Erotic Asphyxiation. EA doesn't require death, but it's a common side effect.

Side note, the auto in auto-erotic means the person did it by themselves, which rules out dying during intercourse.

Edited by laserviking42 on Sep 4th 2022 at 4:17:49 AM

(x5) It depends on what it is imo, though I don't think that counts.