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Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM

mightymewtron Lots of coffee from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Lots of coffee
#10376: Nov 1st 2021 at 2:38:22 PM

Can't we just cut the pothole? The entry is otherwise fine.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#10377: Nov 1st 2021 at 2:49:54 PM

[up]so we can reference that incident as long as it's not potholed? i considered that, but it seemed like trying to fly under the radar to me.

TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#10378: Nov 1st 2021 at 3:27:50 PM

No saying that someone had a Role-Ending Misdemeanor over possession of child pornography doesn’t count as evading NRLEP, since it’s a neutral statement.

Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#10379: Nov 1st 2021 at 3:48:02 PM

Time to close out the remaining entries on this crowner -

The Dreaded (16-2) NRLEP

Cloud Cuckoolander (14-1) NRLEP

Cheating with the Milkman (14-2) NRLEP

As soon as I finish cleaning those up, I will make and holler a new crowner.

TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#10381: Nov 1st 2021 at 5:53:36 PM

[up] Too bad Zyffyr didn't realize that when cutlisting the RL page.

Cutegirl920fire CG for short from NYC apparently (Rule of Three) Relationship Status: Paris holds the key to my heart
CG for short
#10382: Nov 1st 2021 at 8:42:45 PM

[up] Did anyone DM them?

Victor of HGS S320 | "There's rosemary, that's for remembrance. Pray you, love, remember."
Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#10383: Nov 2nd 2021 at 10:04:34 AM

Eh, I set up Sandbox.The Dreaded Real Life to work on purging examples where humans or their weaponry are called The Dreaded. Once we have done so we can replace the cut RL page with the sandbox.

Edited by Albert3105 on Nov 2nd 2021 at 1:07:07 PM

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#10384: Nov 2nd 2021 at 10:13:30 AM

Is there any way to prevent a cutlisted page from being cut? Just for future reference.

Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#10385: Nov 2nd 2021 at 10:22:08 AM

Okay, I've done a quick purge for The Dreaded (could do some splitting of the Nature folder into separate folders though):

No examples of specific humans, groups of humans, or weapons used by humans in this section, please!

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    Health 
  • In general, being diagnosed with a terminal illness or any illness that has no treatment is this. Tying into that, being told that your illness hasn't any other cases or that others with said illness have died before having intervention.
  • Diseases can be pretty terrifying in this way too, such as cancer or AIDS.
    • In the 1980s, AIDS was a mysterious disease no one knew about, except that it was fatal. Over time as more effective treatments and preventatives came out, it lost much of its dreaded title, though since there's no cure, it's still pretty dreaded.
    • Cancer comes along in so many different forms, each one more or less deadly than the others. While some cancers like squamous-cell carcinoma aren't very deadly, others like pancreatic cancer and lung cancer have much higher death rates and are considered much more threatening and scary.
      • AIDS and cancer are so dreaded that thinking you had it but being tested negative are known as AIDS scares or cancer scares.
  • Then there's the granddaddy of them all, the Black Death, which took out 1/3rd of Europe. Let's just say that we're lucky that life today is a lot cleaner.
  • The 1918-19 Spanish flu pandemic, which is estimated to have killed anywhere between 5 to 10% of the planet, or about 100+ million people. World War I, recently concluded and infamous for being the bloodbath that destroyed Europe, killed less than 20 million. Unlike most other pandemics, this one primarily killed healthy young adultsnote , causing mass chaos and a breakdown of society since almost all those of working and reproductive age were either sick or dead. Even the most hardcore virologists — who tend to be a pretty crazy group of people to begin with — admit that they feel a nasty dose of fear every time a new mutation shows up in that particular influenza strain. Remember swine flu? A variant of H1N1, the same strain as the Spanish flu.
  • Lyme Disease is shaping up to be one of these as carrying the disease it are discovered in an ever-growing area. The acute form of the disease is bad enough, but the chronic formnote  can cause debilitating pain, blindness, and susceptibility to bacterial infections.
  • Ebola is shaping up to be this, given that it's symptoms can lay dormant in the body for up to 21 days and, more often than not, people tend to die from the excessive bleeding, even if treated. Made more dreaded when there was an outbreak in 2014.
  • Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (Mad Cow disease)is this to any farmer and consumer alike, as, there's no successful treatment for it and it's caused by a prion, which, unfortunately, as The Virus page notes, aren't killed by heat, which makes it a dangerous foodborne illness.
  • On a (slightly) lighter note, there's injuries. Sure, a papercut is bad as those hurt like hell (because they cut through more sensitive nerves) but the most dreaded injuries are the ones that involve the head and spine, as those can lead to more permanent effects.
  • One of the less talked about ones: Rabies. There's a reason it's recommended you get a rabies shot after every encounter with a hostile animal. Initial infection shows no symptoms for weeks, and by the time you begin to show, You Are Already Dead.
  • And in 2020 came COVID-19, a highly contagious, sometimes fatal respiratory illness caused by the novel coronavirus.
    • On an institutional level, it pushed the entire planet past the Godzilla Threshold, bringing the world to a standstill, closing businesses, schools, theme parks (including those owned by Disney), casinos (including in Las Vegas), causing major league sports to cancel their seasons, resulting in the unprecedented postponement of the Olympics, and leading authorities to ban gatherings and order people to stay in their own homes. The Catholic Church, which literally teaches that one can go to Hell for missing Sunday Mass, has canceled public church services. In fact, although the measures taken to slow the spread of COVID-19 may bring about a second Great Depression, this is seen as preferable to allowing the disease run unchecked.
    • On a personal level, even as the Coronavirus Pandemic (hopefully) seems to be slowing down, being diagnosed with Covid is still a huge dreaded moment. Why? Because, thanks to the incubation period and alarmingly high transmission rate, you pretty much immediately have to go into quarantine, which means cancelling any and all plans you have (including work), and sheltering in place, while anyone who was even remotely near you, be it family, friends, or coworkers, within the past few days also has to get tested, which can lead to even more quarantines if and when more positive cases turn up, essentially snowballing on itself in a brutal cycle. Entire workplaces can end up shut down, and whole families can have their future plans ruined or massively revised by a single positive case that yields more cases.
  • Fungal infections of any stripe are feared by medical professionals, and for good reason. Not only do they mostly show up in hospitals, where patients are usually already dealing with some other malady, they're extremely difficult to defeat, with debriding infected tissue, as much antifungal medication as they can get away with, and a lot of prayer being the only real viable treatment. For patients already critically ill or injured, the reaction of the medical staff invariably includes sitting down with the family and informing them that there's a high chance their loved one is going to die. The COVID-19 pandemic has made matters worse with overcrowded hospitals, overworked medical staff, and thousands upon thousands of patients on ventilators that if not cleaned regularly are an excellent infection vector for fungus.

    Nature 

Animals

  • Honey badgers. They're famous for being avoided by every predator in Africa, and have been known to chase away elephants and eat (young) jackals and crocodiles. It's true, honey badger don't give a shit.
    • Wolverines too. They've been known to chase away bears and cougars from their kills.
  • Golden eagles have been spotted chasing grizzly bears and scaring badgers not dissimilar to honey badgers away from a meal.
  • Orcas. Their mere presence in an aquatic biome has been recorded to scare away sharks (which already qualify as this to humans). After an orca attack, entire great white populations are known to vacate the premises, usually a feeding ground which sharks travel thousands of kilometers to get to.
  • Locusts. These hungry little bastards never strike when expected and make every situation go From Bad to Worse, as they often come after droughts. Look at any point in the history of an agrarian society (which is most of them) and a swarm will be there. Populations have been forced to migrate because of locusts, and some modern surveillance of insects was created to specifically deal with them.
  • Skunks are notorious for spraying potential predators, which leaves a very strong odor that's hard to get rid of and easy to smell even from a distance. Because of this, people avoid them at all costs.
  • Any type of carnivorous predator (i.e lions, cheetahs, grizzly bears) is feared by humans and animals alike.
  • Bears in particular have been considered this worldwide since antiquity. Many names used, regardless of language (bear, bruin, grizzly) refer to its color — it is simply "the brown one". This is because it was so feared as to be He Who Must Not Be Named, with the original name for the animal being forgotten to time due to superstitions that merely saying its would summon one. Being that bears will, on occasion, hunt humans if other prey is scarce, this is justified. They can also appear to be The Unfettered, since bees (themselves The Dreaded) don't deter them when elephants will avoid hives.
  • Africanized honeybees, AKA killer bees. So called due to their higher aggression; they attack perceived threats much sooner than other bee types, and at closer range. Most bees will let you near a hive for about 30 seconds as long as you don't touch it and keep moving. Killer bees will attack merely within line of sight after only about 10 seconds and can chase for a quarter of a mile. They also aren't easily lost by jumping into water like regular bees — they wait for you to come up for breath or climb down your snorkel. They're actually no more poisonous than any other type of bee, but will send far more soldiers to defend the hive than most other species. All that said, there are far fewer deaths from "killer" bees than the regular kind, which are more often due to allergy.
  • Gustave the crocodile. A giant man-eater from Burundi, Gustave embodies the Super-Persistent Predator trope and thus strikes fear in the hearts of both animals and humans in the area. His human death toll is said to be three hundred or more, he's Immune to Bullets, has all but laughed at the many pitiful attempts on his life and he's so vicious that even hippopotamuses (some of the most powerful, aggressive and dangerous animals in Africa) are terrified of himnote .
  • Hippopotamuses themselves are also this. They are extremely aggressive and territorial, can run faster than humans even on land, and their jaws can chop a crocodile in half. Crocodiles and lions will almost never approach an idividual, and the hippos live in herds. It says a lot that Steve Irwin, who is best known for handling crocodiles and venomous snakes, claimed the most scary thing he has ever done is crossing a river full of hippos.
  • Small as they are, centipedes are this in quite a few entomology labs. In addition to their highly toxic bite, they're quick and vicious little devils.
  • The Humboldt Squid is one of the most feared creatures in the sea if you're fishing around in the waters near the Humboldt Current. These things are pretty big squid that are known to kill and eat fishermen, subjecting the victim to a Zerg Rush, tearing them apart with their beaks. They're also known cannibals, which fishermen take advantage of when they're specifically going after them. Researchers and recreational divers report the same; the squids have been known for attacking and wrecking cameras on sight and assaulting divers so often one man dedicated to their study had to start diving with body armor. Because of their fearsome reputation, and the fact that their skin often flashes red when in the midst of a struggle, they are known especially in the regions near the Sea of Cortez as El Diablo Rojo (the red devil).
  • If you live in the Midwest, you get Japanese beetles. Besides being an invasive species, if your garden, lawn, or crops get infested, there isn't a lot you can do, as whatever you use could damage your plants or poison the whole town, traps can end up attracting more of them, and introducing predators might get your yard wrecked. Not helping is that prevention methods are also hit or miss and mostly deal with the grubs. As someone said, you can't control the Japanese beetle. They're also the reason why a law was made in 1912 outlawing imports of plants rooted in soil.
  • Bedbugs. Not a lot to explain, except that they travel, are really discrete, and not too many exterminators know how to deal with them.
  • The Asian Giant Hornet is this, owing to it being the largest hornet species on record, highly aggressive nature, and being a known predator to bees. Their reputation has led them to being dubbed ‘Murder Hornets’. When they were sighted in Washington, many fish and wildlife experts have scrambled to prevent their spread just to prevent these bugs from proliferating.
  • Elephants. The largest land animal in the world, their sheer size means almost nothing will even think of attacking them. An entire pride of lions will scatter when one elephant comes their way. The above mentioned hippos and rhinos, the largest land animals after the elephant, are less than half their size. Elephants are strong enough to easily flip over either animal. In fact African elephants have been known to kill rhinos. In this video an elephant crosses a river while passing through a herd of hippos. The highly aggressive and territorial hippos all spread out and let the elephant cross with no resistance.
  • As a contender from the spider kingdom, few arachnids are scarier than the Australian Funnel-webs, though one of the scariest has to be the Sydney Funnel-web; these are spiders that come from the Australian Outback, so it is no surprise that they're some of the biggest spiders in the world and fittingly equipped with a set of quite possibly the largest fangs on any spider. This species has not changed since the day spiders first appeared on the Earth, having been around since the time of the dinosaurs. While funnel-web venom is known to be potentially deadly without treatment, the Sydney Funnel-web is particularly known to be scary due to the fact that it is known to remember intruders in its territory, and has chased and bitten trespassers that have returned to its home.

Weather

  • Hurricanes are the closest thing that real life has to kaiju: massive storms born from the sea that can devastate cities through wind and flooding. (Pacific Rim even made the comparison explicit.) In many of the world's tropical zones, building codes are written with the expectation that the building will likely get hit by a hurricane one day, and the possibility of such a storm arriving is considered good reason to evacuate everyone to higher ground. It doesn't stop some people from holding "hurricane parties" and riding out the storm in their homes, sometimes with predictable results; an urban legend claims that, during Hurricane Camille in 1969, twenty-three people died holding such a party, a tale that never actually happened but is often repeated to convince people to listen to the authorities when they tell you to pack your bags and get out.
  • And among meteorologists who track hurricanes, few things set off more alarm bells than seeing a low-pressure system form off of Cape Verde. When a "Cape Verde hurricane" forms out here, it gets a very long running start, picking up steam across thousands of miles of warm ocean water before reaching land. The storms that result are massive and form the classical image of a hurricane, and while many of them go out to sea, those that hit land often make the record books.
  • And speaking of meteorologists and hurricanes — Jim Cantore. There's a joke that if he shows up on the beach, something very bad is coming and it's time to Run or Die.
  • Lightning quickly turns into this for anybody involved in an aquatic activity. It is common practice for swimming pools and waterparks to close immediately the moment somebody so much as sees a lightning flash or hears thunder. Water carries the electrical charge from a lightning strike, so a strike in a body of water can zap everybody swimming within, like an Electrified Bathtub on a much larger scale.

Natural Features

  • Mountains are a special case. It's not unusual for a massif to have at least one iconically difficult, defining feature to its name (e.g. the Eiger's infamous Mordwand), yet several other relatively direct summit routes, with the most hazardous routes a feather in the cap of accomplished climbers. Some mountains, however, are simply viewed as an achievement just to survive, let alone climb:
    • Annapurna may have been the first 8000+ meter peak to be summited, but that hasn't stopped it from regularly entering conversation as the deadliest of any of them— for every three who summit, one climber dies. Its 3-kilometer south face, a front runner for the most difficult climb on Earth, is just the most visibly extreme example of its tendency to collect avalanches like so much pocket change. It's dangerous to just be around, as avalanches and storms at its foot can easily wipe out dozens of trekkers or prospective climbers at a time. Oh, and there are multiple smaller summits, all just as avalanche- and rockfall-prone.
    • What K2 loses out to Mt. Everest in height, it makes up for in climbing difficulty by orders of magnitude. Rising steeply above one a region so inaccessible and remote that the mountain itself has no local name, it's an almost entirely exposed climb and the bottlenecking profile near the summit means you're basically staring down the barrel of a gun. Warm weather will start dropping seracs and avalanches on you, whereas the storms the area is known for can trap climbers in place far longer than any human can survive the cold, altitude or lack of oxygen. The "easiest" route up the mountain is littered with old ropes that were simply too difficult for their owners to remove in a safe timeframe, whereas the most demanding route has never been repeated and called sucidal by some of the world's most famous climbers. It was the very last of the eight-thousanders to have ever been climbed in winter— in 2021— and the only one of them to never have been climbed from the east face. With a summit-to-fatality rate of four-to-one, its moniker of "The Savage Mountain" is very well-earned.
    • Nanga Parbat differs somewhat from the above two in being much less remote— it's the western anchor of the Himalayas, clearly visible from the idyllic greenery of the nearby Fairy Meadows. Its insane vertical relief and lack of cover on all three of its faces also negates this as a mitigating factor (Its southern Rupal Face is the highest mountain wall on Earth, and it's Everest's only partner in the top twenty of both highest and most prominent peaks on the planet) and makes any ascent as technically difficult and deadly as Annapurna or K2— prior to 1990 it may have been even deadlier than either, said to have a descending fatality rate of 77% among those who managed to summit. The first ascent by Austrian climber Herman Buhl reads like something out of a horror film, with him forced to sleep standing alone on a narrow ledge to get through the night, and needing amphetamines to muster the strength to complete his forty-hour summit push. Like K2, it has also earned a revealing sobriquet— "Killer Mountain".

  • Because of the way they channel the otherwise-uninhibited wind and ocean currents of the southern latitudes, Cook Strait in New Zealand and the Drake Passage near Cape Horn are considered some of the most fearsome and dangerous waterways in the world. Each has its own twist: Cook Strait basically forces currents to run perpendicular to their normal flow all the time due to local geography, while the Drake Passage is much easier and safer to sail West-to-East... but you had to sail East-to-West if you were a European power who wanted access to the west coast of the Americas. Cue sailor's graveyard.

    Chemistry 
  • Chemists tend to be quite scared of working with fluorine, both in its elemental form and with some of its compounds, due to the fact it's tremendously energetic, touchy as hell, nearly impossible to dislodge from a compound without some drastic measures and it can produce some of the nastiest compounds imaginable, including chlorine trifluoride (which can set asbestos on fire on contact), dioxygen difluoride (hard to make, thankfully, but will explode even when close to absolute 0) and hydrofluoric acid (which can seep painlessly through your skin and dissolve your skeleton from the inside out, and can eat through most types of glass). The fact enough people died studying it that they're collectively known as the fluorine martyrs only caps it off.
  • As radioactive elements go, Polonium and Plutonium enjoy particular notoriety for the sheer danger in handling them. Select isotopes of the former have a toxicity 250,000 times that of hydrogen cyanide. It's slower than cyanide, though, causing your body to slowly, agonizingly fail over a period of days as alpha particles shred your insides beyond repair at a molecular level. Beyond its obvious nuclear weapons association, Plutonium's intense radioactivity means it can cause criticality accidents with itself in the presence of an effective neutron reflector, most notoriously with the so-called "Demon Core" in the 40s, which killed scientists on two separate occasions.
  • When it comes to compounds, any that contains a large number of nitrogen atoms makes chemists increasingly nervous in direct proportion to the number of Ns in the formula. Chemicals with a large number of nitrogen atoms tend to be Made of Explodium, some so absurdly unstable that literally just looking at it will cause it to violently explode (because looking at it needs light, and ordinary light will set it off).

Edited by Albert3105 on Nov 2nd 2021 at 1:24:00 PM

TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#10386: Nov 2nd 2021 at 10:32:31 AM

[up] Looks good. I second splitting nature up. If you don’t mind I’m gonna edit the part mentioning churches in the COVID-19 entry to read something along the lines if “Churches, many of whom hold regular Sunday attendance as a high priority, canceled services.” to be more neutral.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Nov 2nd 2021 at 1:38:44 PM

Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#10387: Nov 2nd 2021 at 7:17:15 PM

This ready now?

No examples of specific humans, groups of humans, or weapons used by humans in this section, please!

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    Health 
  • In general, being diagnosed with a terminal illness or any illness that has no treatment is this. Tying into that, being told that your illness hasn't any other cases or that others with said illness have died before having intervention.
  • Diseases can be pretty terrifying in this way too, such as cancer or AIDS.
    • In the 1980s, AIDS was a mysterious disease no one knew about, except that it was fatal. Over time as more effective treatments and preventatives came out, it lost much of its dreaded title, though since there's no cure, it's still pretty dreaded.
    • Cancer comes along in so many different forms, each one more or less deadly than the others. While some cancers like squamous-cell carcinoma aren't very deadly, others like pancreatic cancer and lung cancer have much higher death rates and are considered much more threatening and scary.
      • AIDS and cancer are so dreaded that thinking you had it but being tested negative are known as AIDS scares or cancer scares.
  • Then there's the granddaddy of them all, the Black Death, which took out 1/3rd of Europe. Let's just say that we're lucky that life today is a lot cleaner.
  • The 1918-19 Spanish flu pandemic, which is estimated to have killed anywhere between 5 to 10% of the planet, or about 100+ million people. World War I, recently concluded and infamous for being the bloodbath that destroyed Europe, killed less than 20 million. Unlike most other pandemics, this one primarily killed healthy young adultsnote , causing mass chaos and a breakdown of society since almost all those of working and reproductive age were either sick or dead. Even the most hardcore virologists — who tend to be a pretty crazy group of people to begin with — admit that they feel a nasty dose of fear every time a new mutation shows up in that particular influenza strain. Remember swine flu? A variant of H1N1, the same strain as the Spanish flu.
  • Lyme Disease is shaping up to be one of these as carrying the disease it are discovered in an ever-growing area. The acute form of the disease is bad enough, but the chronic formnote  can cause debilitating pain, blindness, and susceptibility to bacterial infections.
  • Ebola is shaping up to be this, given that it's symptoms can lay dormant in the body for up to 21 days and, more often than not, people tend to die from the excessive bleeding, even if treated. Made more dreaded when there was an outbreak in 2014.
  • Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (Mad Cow disease)is this to any farmer and consumer alike, as, there's no successful treatment for it and it's caused by a prion, which, unfortunately, as The Virus page notes, aren't killed by heat, which makes it a dangerous foodborne illness.
  • On a (slightly) lighter note, there's injuries. Sure, a papercut is bad as those hurt like hell (because they cut through more sensitive nerves) but the most dreaded injuries are the ones that involve the head and spine, as those can lead to more permanent effects.
  • One of the less talked about ones: Rabies. There's a reason it's recommended you get a rabies shot after every encounter with a hostile animal. Initial infection shows no symptoms for weeks, and by the time you begin to show, You Are Already Dead.
  • And in 2020 came COVID-19, a highly contagious, sometimes fatal respiratory illness caused by the novel coronavirus.
    • On an institutional level, it pushed the entire planet past the Godzilla Threshold, bringing the world to a standstill, closing businesses, schools, theme parks (including those owned by Disney), casinos (including in Las Vegas), causing major league sports to cancel their seasons, resulting in the unprecedented postponement of the Olympics, and leading authorities to ban gatherings and order people to stay in their own homes. The Catholic Church, which literally teaches that one can go to Hell for missing Sunday Mass, has canceled public church services. In fact, although the measures taken to slow the spread of COVID-19 may bring about a second Great Depression, this is seen as preferable to allowing the disease run unchecked.
    • On a personal level, even as the Coronavirus Pandemic (hopefully) seems to be slowing down, being diagnosed with Covid is still a huge dreaded moment. Why? Because, thanks to the incubation period and alarmingly high transmission rate, you pretty much immediately have to go into quarantine, which means cancelling any and all plans you have (including work), and sheltering in place, while anyone who was even remotely near you, be it family, friends, or coworkers, within the past few days also has to get tested, which can lead to even more quarantines if and when more positive cases turn up, essentially snowballing on itself in a brutal cycle. Entire workplaces can end up shut down, and whole families can have their future plans ruined or massively revised by a single positive case that yields more cases.
  • Fungal infections of any stripe are feared by medical professionals, and for good reason. Not only do they mostly show up in hospitals, where patients are usually already dealing with some other malady, they're extremely difficult to defeat, with debriding infected tissue, as much antifungal medication as they can get away with, and a lot of prayer being the only real viable treatment. For patients already critically ill or injured, the reaction of the medical staff invariably includes sitting down with the family and informing them that there's a high chance their loved one is going to die. The COVID-19 pandemic has made matters worse with overcrowded hospitals, overworked medical staff, and thousands upon thousands of patients on ventilators that if not cleaned regularly are an excellent infection vector for fungus.

    Animals 
  • Honey badgers. They're famous for being avoided by every predator in Africa, and have been known to chase away elephants and eat (young) jackals and crocodiles. It's true, honey badger don't give a shit.
    • Wolverines too. They've been known to chase away bears and cougars from their kills.
  • Golden eagles have been spotted chasing grizzly bears and scaring badgers not dissimilar to honey badgers away from a meal.
  • Orcas. Their mere presence in an aquatic biome has been recorded to scare away sharks (which already qualify as this to humans). After an orca attack, entire great white populations are known to vacate the premises, usually a feeding ground which sharks travel thousands of kilometers to get to.
  • Locusts. These hungry little bastards never strike when expected and make every situation go From Bad to Worse, as they often come after droughts. Look at any point in the history of an agrarian society (which is most of them) and a swarm will be there. Populations have been forced to migrate because of locusts, and some modern surveillance of insects was created to specifically deal with them.
  • Skunks are notorious for spraying potential predators, which leaves a very strong odor that's hard to get rid of and easy to smell even from a distance. Because of this, people avoid them at all costs.
  • Any type of carnivorous predator (i.e lions, cheetahs, grizzly bears) is feared by humans and animals alike.
  • Bears in particular have been considered this worldwide since antiquity. Many names used, regardless of language (bear, bruin, grizzly) refer to its color — it is simply "the brown one". This is because it was so feared as to be He Who Must Not Be Named, with the original name for the animal being forgotten to time due to superstitions that merely saying its would summon one. Being that bears will, on occasion, hunt humans if other prey is scarce, this is justified. They can also appear to be The Unfettered, since bees (themselves The Dreaded) don't deter them when elephants will avoid hives.
  • Africanized honeybees, AKA killer bees. So called due to their higher aggression; they attack perceived threats much sooner than other bee types, and at closer range. Most bees will let you near a hive for about 30 seconds as long as you don't touch it and keep moving. Killer bees will attack merely within line of sight after only about 10 seconds and can chase for a quarter of a mile. They also aren't easily lost by jumping into water like regular bees — they wait for you to come up for breath or climb down your snorkel. They're actually no more poisonous than any other type of bee, but will send far more soldiers to defend the hive than most other species. All that said, there are far fewer deaths from "killer" bees than the regular kind, which are more often due to allergy.
  • Gustave the crocodile. A giant man-eater from Burundi, Gustave embodies the Super-Persistent Predator trope and thus strikes fear in the hearts of both animals and humans in the area. His human death toll is said to be three hundred or more, he's Immune to Bullets, has all but laughed at the many pitiful attempts on his life and he's so vicious that even hippopotamuses (some of the most powerful, aggressive and dangerous animals in Africa) are terrified of himnote .
  • Hippopotamuses themselves are also this. They are extremely aggressive and territorial, can run faster than humans even on land, and their jaws can chop a crocodile in half. Crocodiles and lions will almost never approach an idividual, and the hippos live in herds. It says a lot that Steve Irwin, who is best known for handling crocodiles and venomous snakes, claimed the most scary thing he has ever done is crossing a river full of hippos.
  • Small as they are, centipedes are this in quite a few entomology labs. In addition to their highly toxic bite, they're quick and vicious little devils.
  • The Humboldt Squid is one of the most feared creatures in the sea if you're fishing around in the waters near the Humboldt Current. These things are pretty big squid that are known to kill and eat fishermen, subjecting the victim to a Zerg Rush, tearing them apart with their beaks. They're also known cannibals, which fishermen take advantage of when they're specifically going after them. Researchers and recreational divers report the same; the squids have been known for attacking and wrecking cameras on sight and assaulting divers so often one man dedicated to their study had to start diving with body armor. Because of their fearsome reputation, and the fact that their skin often flashes red when in the midst of a struggle, they are known especially in the regions near the Sea of Cortez as El Diablo Rojo (the red devil).
  • If you live in the Midwest, you get Japanese beetles. Besides being an invasive species, if your garden, lawn, or crops get infested, there isn't a lot you can do, as whatever you use could damage your plants or poison the whole town, traps can end up attracting more of them, and introducing predators might get your yard wrecked. Not helping is that prevention methods are also hit or miss and mostly deal with the grubs. As someone said, you can't control the Japanese beetle. They're also the reason why a law was made in 1912 outlawing imports of plants rooted in soil.
  • Bedbugs. Not a lot to explain, except that they travel, are really discrete, and not too many exterminators know how to deal with them.
  • The Asian Giant Hornet is this, owing to it being the largest hornet species on record, highly aggressive nature, and being a known predator to bees. Their reputation has led them to being dubbed ‘Murder Hornets’. When they were sighted in Washington, many fish and wildlife experts have scrambled to prevent their spread just to prevent these bugs from proliferating.
  • Elephants. The largest land animal in the world, their sheer size means almost nothing will even think of attacking them. An entire pride of lions will scatter when one elephant comes their way. The above mentioned hippos and rhinos, the largest land animals after the elephant, are less than half their size. Elephants are strong enough to easily flip over either animal. In fact African elephants have been known to kill rhinos. In this video an elephant crosses a river while passing through a herd of hippos. The highly aggressive and territorial hippos all spread out and let the elephant cross with no resistance.
  • As a contender from the spider kingdom, few arachnids are scarier than the Australian Funnel-webs, though one of the scariest has to be the Sydney Funnel-web; these are spiders that come from the Australian Outback, so it is no surprise that they're some of the biggest spiders in the world and fittingly equipped with a set of quite possibly the largest fangs on any spider. This species has not changed since the day spiders first appeared on the Earth, having been around since the time of the dinosaurs. While funnel-web venom is known to be potentially deadly without treatment, the Sydney Funnel-web is particularly known to be scary due to the fact that it is known to remember intruders in its territory, and has chased and bitten trespassers that have returned to its home.

    Weather 

  • Hurricanes are the closest thing that real life has to kaiju: massive storms born from the sea that can devastate cities through wind and flooding. (Pacific Rim even made the comparison explicit.) In many of the world's tropical zones, building codes are written with the expectation that the building will likely get hit by a hurricane one day, and the possibility of such a storm arriving is considered good reason to evacuate everyone to higher ground. It doesn't stop some people from holding "hurricane parties" and riding out the storm in their homes, sometimes with predictable results; an urban legend claims that, during Hurricane Camille in 1969, twenty-three people died holding such a party, a tale that never actually happened but is often repeated to convince people to listen to the authorities when they tell you to pack your bags and get out.
  • And among meteorologists who track hurricanes, few things set off more alarm bells than seeing a low-pressure system form off of Cape Verde. When a "Cape Verde hurricane" forms out here, it gets a very long running start, picking up steam across thousands of miles of warm ocean water before reaching land. The storms that result are massive and form the classical image of a hurricane, and while many of them go out to sea, those that hit land often make the record books.
  • Lightning quickly turns into this for anybody involved in an aquatic activity. It is common practice for swimming pools and waterparks to close immediately the moment somebody so much as sees a lightning flash or hears thunder. Water carries the electrical charge from a lightning strike, so a strike in a body of water can zap everybody swimming within, like an Electrified Bathtub on a much larger scale.

    Natural Features 

  • Mountains are a special case. It's not unusual for a massif to have at least one iconically difficult, defining feature to its name (e.g. the Eiger's infamous Mordwand), yet several other relatively direct summit routes, with the most hazardous routes a feather in the cap of accomplished climbers. Some mountains, however, are simply viewed as an achievement just to survive, let alone climb:
    • Annapurna may have been the first 8000+ meter peak to be summited, but that hasn't stopped it from regularly entering conversation as the deadliest of any of them— for every three who summit, one climber dies. Its 3-kilometer south face, a front runner for the most difficult climb on Earth, is just the most visibly extreme example of its tendency to collect avalanches like so much pocket change. It's dangerous to just be around, as avalanches and storms at its foot can easily wipe out dozens of trekkers or prospective climbers at a time. Oh, and there are multiple smaller summits, all just as avalanche- and rockfall-prone.
    • What K2 loses out to Mt. Everest in height, it makes up for in climbing difficulty by orders of magnitude. Rising steeply above one a region so inaccessible and remote that the mountain itself has no local name, it's an almost entirely exposed climb and the bottlenecking profile near the summit means you're basically staring down the barrel of a gun. Warm weather will start dropping seracs and avalanches on you, whereas the storms the area is known for can trap climbers in place far longer than any human can survive the cold, altitude or lack of oxygen. The "easiest" route up the mountain is littered with old ropes that were simply too difficult for their owners to remove in a safe timeframe, whereas the most demanding route has never been repeated and called sucidal by some of the world's most famous climbers. It was the very last of the eight-thousanders to have ever been climbed in winter— in 2021— and the only one of them to never have been climbed from the east face. With a summit-to-fatality rate of four-to-one, its moniker of "The Savage Mountain" is very well-earned.
    • Nanga Parbat differs somewhat from the above two in being much less remote— it's the western anchor of the Himalayas, clearly visible from the idyllic greenery of the nearby Fairy Meadows. Its insane vertical relief and lack of cover on all three of its faces also negates this as a mitigating factor (Its southern Rupal Face is the highest mountain wall on Earth, and it's Everest's only partner in the top twenty of both highest and most prominent peaks on the planet) and makes any ascent as technically difficult and deadly as Annapurna or K2— prior to 1990 it may have been even deadlier than either, said to have a descending fatality rate of 77% among those who managed to summit. The first ascent by Austrian climber Herman Buhl reads like something out of a horror film, with him forced to sleep standing alone on a narrow ledge to get through the night, and needing amphetamines to muster the strength to complete his forty-hour summit push. Like K2, it has also earned a revealing sobriquet— "Killer Mountain".
  • Because of the way they channel the otherwise-uninhibited wind and ocean currents of the southern latitudes, Cook Strait in New Zealand and the Drake Passage near Cape Horn are considered some of the most fearsome and dangerous waterways in the world. Each has its own twist: Cook Strait basically forces currents to run perpendicular to their normal flow all the time due to local geography, while the Drake Passage is much easier and safer to sail West-to-East... but you had to sail East-to-West if you were a European power who wanted access to the west coast of the Americas. Cue sailor's graveyard.

    Chemistry 
  • Chemists tend to be quite scared of working with fluorine, both in its elemental form and with some of its compounds, due to the fact it's tremendously energetic, touchy as hell, nearly impossible to dislodge from a compound without some drastic measures and it can produce some of the nastiest compounds imaginable, including chlorine trifluoride (which can set asbestos on fire on contact), dioxygen difluoride (hard to make, thankfully, but will explode even when close to absolute 0) and hydrofluoric acid (which can seep painlessly through your skin and dissolve your skeleton from the inside out, and can eat through most types of glass). The fact enough people died studying it that they're collectively known as the fluorine martyrs only caps it off.
  • As radioactive elements go, Polonium and Plutonium enjoy particular notoriety for the sheer danger in handling them. Select isotopes of the former have a toxicity 250,000 times that of hydrogen cyanide. It's slower than cyanide, though, causing your body to slowly, agonizingly fail over a period of days as alpha particles shred your insides beyond repair at a molecular level. Beyond its obvious nuclear weapons association, Plutonium's intense radioactivity means it can cause criticality accidents with itself in the presence of an effective neutron reflector, most notoriously with the so-called "Demon Core" in the 40s, which killed scientists on two separate occasions.
  • When it comes to compounds, any that contains a large number of nitrogen atoms makes chemists increasingly nervous in direct proportion to the number of Ns in the formula. Chemicals with a large number of nitrogen atoms tend to be Made of Explodium, some so absurdly unstable that literally just looking at it will cause it to violently explode (because looking at it needs light, and ordinary light will set it off).

Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
#10388: Nov 2nd 2021 at 8:35:34 PM

[up]If there were any plant examples, they can go under the "Plants" folder, which can be created if necessary.

After all, dangerous plants exist.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Nov 2nd 2021 at 11:36:01 AM

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GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#10389: Nov 4th 2021 at 7:32:06 PM

The "Animals" folder isn't terribly long. Why not just put both plants and animals in a single folder called "Organisms"?

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 4th 2021 at 9:32:31 AM

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Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#10390: Nov 5th 2021 at 8:22:16 AM

[up] There weren't any plant examples in the first place, so it didn't come into mind.

PlasmaPower Since: Jan, 2015
#10391: Nov 5th 2021 at 10:29:50 PM

Should Smug Straight Edge be having RL examples?

    Real Life 
  • In 1995, California was the first state to institute a ban on smoking in enclosed workplaces, which included by necessity many bars and restaurants. Fast forward 23 years and California smoking bans have increased, though they vary depending on local laws. As a result, poor Californians or immigrants from places where smoking is part of the fabric of social life are looked down on. Upper-class, non-smoking Californians can get very snobby about keeping the air clean (you can fold this in with the stereotype of Californians being a bunch of granola-loving hippies).
  • As noted in the trope description for Straight Edge, Straight Edgers can be like this sometimes. In an extreme example, two Straight Edgers actually assaulted another man.
  • Mr. T is a teetotaler and prides himself on drinking only kid-friendly milk rather than alcohol.
  • Winners Don't Use Drugs is the name of an anti-drug slogan that was included on all arcade games imported into North America from 1989 through to the year 2000. The message appeared during the attract modes of both video games and on some pinball machines. It was established by FBI Director William S. Sessions with an agreement with the American Amusement Machine Association. By law, it had to be included on all imported arcade games and continued to appear long after Sessions left office. The quote normally appeared in gold against a blue or black background between the FBI seal and Sessions' name.
  • Penn Jillette doesn't object to alcohol, tobacco, or other drugs, in fact, he advocates legalizing them. He also never misses an opportunity to remind people he's never used them ''("I am pretty sure I am the only person to have been on the cover of High Time's Magazine who has never smoked a whisp of Marijuana"). This either comes off as some grand proclamation of philosophical fortitude or just a disclaimer from an opinionated person who's never experienced drugs first hand and does not want to be judged to be someone merely endorsing the legalization of drugs because he himself likes drugs.
  • Ted Nugent has been known to be patronizing towards alcoholism and other drug abuse. Then again, knowing Ted and his views and reactions towards supporters of gun control, veganism, and so on, would you expect anything less?
  • Real-world reversal: Crucial Youth were a straight-edge send-up that parodied the movement and regularly gave the audience a good clean with the Youthbrush.
  • While Real Life members of this group can be quite intolerable, it's worth noting that quite a few pro-drug users manage to invert this trope by being equally smug and insufferable about their drug use. The stereotypical attitude is one of the user 'having seen and experienced things you can never even dream of, being more creative, being more philosophical, and generally just being more worldly than you' simply because they smoked/shot/ate something.
  • Major Dick Winters (subject of Band of Brothers) admits in the book that he thought like this - he didn't drink until the evening of D-Day and thought that taking a single swallow of liquor would have a noticeable deadening effect on his reflexes and thinking.
  • People in Alcoholics Anonymous and similar programs can veer into this, though this is understandable as the majority of people who enter programs like AA do so because they have first-hand experience with alcohol, drugs, etc. impacting their lives in a negative way and either don't want others (particularly loved ones) to experience the same, or the use of booze and drugs by others becomes triggering to them.
  • The metalcore act Earth Crisis has been banned from many, many, MANY venues over the years for doing things like yanking beer glasses and cigarettes away from people and frequently threatening violence upon anyone who resists, which in turn has resulted in multiple fights and straight-up brawls at their shows thanks to both the band and the more overtly militant members of their fanbase.
  • While not exclusively straight-edge, FSU ("Friends Stand United", originally "Fuck Shit Up") does have a large amount of straight-edge members, and over the years, they have gone from being a legitimate (if not extremely violent) anti-racist group to one of the most glaring real-life examples of The Quincy Punk. Harassment and threatening behavior towards people who are drinking, smoking, or engaging in drug usage is commonplace, as are multi-man ambushes and beatdowns on targets who have earned their ire.
  • P. J. O'Rourke once quoted an anonymous policeman as saying of drug addicts, "Air should be illegal if they breathe it."
  • Many people who oppose the legalization of recreational drugs often find themselves labelled as this, even if their rationale has less to do with concern about what other people do to themselves as perceived negative impact on their own quality of life (i.e. for example, someone who has no problem with people using ingested or oil-based marijuana but simply do not want to be exposed to the odor of pot smoke in their backyard or at a social gathering).

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BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#10392: Nov 6th 2021 at 5:55:00 AM

[up] I'm all for having it removed. It's an ROCEJ nightmare. I say crowner it when the slate gets cleared.

DDRMASTERM do you wanna have a bad time? from Someplace, Utah, USA Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
do you wanna have a bad time?
#10393: Nov 6th 2021 at 6:13:34 AM

[up][up] We should wait for a new crowner first.

Berrenta MOD How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#10394: Nov 6th 2021 at 6:24:43 AM

New crowner's up; add in the trope in question.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#10395: Nov 6th 2021 at 6:25:18 AM

I don't think so, that probably violates ROCEJ.

Optimism is a duty.
TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#10396: Nov 6th 2021 at 7:32:58 AM

Poison Is Evil is being readded. Also I vote in favor of cutting Smug Straight Edge.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Nov 6th 2021 at 12:37:32 PM

Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#10397: Nov 6th 2021 at 10:35:38 AM

RE: Poison Is Evil - all 3 'examples' are general, and as such will be removed regardless of the result of the vote.

For Smug Straight Edge, many but not all are general and will also get axed.

Edited by Zyffyr on Nov 6th 2021 at 10:35:48 AM

TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
BigJimbo Since: Dec, 2017
#10399: Nov 8th 2021 at 7:47:05 AM

Should Panty Thief really have a Real Life section? It seems too much like squicky content (At least in said context) to warrant one.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#10400: Nov 8th 2021 at 7:58:17 AM

No, it shouldn't. That just seems like an invitation to creepiness.

Optimism is a duty.

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Crown Description:

Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:
  • Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
  • The item have been on the crowne for a minimum of a week
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.

After you bring up a trope for discussion, please try to wait at least a day or so for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

If an item has a (CLOSED) note, there is no need to vote on it: the result has already been decided and it's no longer up for discussion.

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