Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki

The angry tone of that first bullet contrasted with the very calm second bullet is unintentionally amusing though.

Isn't Ruined Forever supposed to be over-the-top? Cutting an item for complaining there seems like removing a grain of sand from a beach. The second bullet looks more cutworthy if only because it's not ridiculous enough.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 30th 2021 at 6:16:51 AM

(x7, about My Brave Pony)

I think the ire may have to do with the author's very... cynical attitude towards pretty much everything.

Why do we have examples on ruined forever ?

Is the idea to Mock this stuff ?

Ruined FOREVER is Flame Bait and Darth Wiki, so I don't think there's much we can do with it.

That first bullepoint is literally written as a reverse And the Fandom Rejoiced example. It's the classic "Thing is announced, great.. wait, they did THAT? And that? AND EVEN THAT? Amazing!" format.

Edited by PhantomDusclops92 on Apr 30th 2021 at 2:01:02 PM

Yes, and it's Darth Wiki. Again, I'm really not seeing much of an issue. It's Darth for a reason and standards are lower there.

If it's too problematic even for Darth then we can (and probably should) deal with it in TRS. For now it's not technically misuse.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 30th 2021 at 8:10:42 AM

I always thought the page was supposed to be for deliberate overreacting for laughs, but it definitely isn't always used that way, and you know, Poe's Law and all that.

If there's objective issues with it, then TRS sounds reasonable, but we really do have to keep in mind the standards of Flame Bait and Darth Wiki. We can't judge it by normal YMMV standards.

So, my apologies if this already has a dedicated thread or something... I did try to check if there is one, but the search function isn't very helpful. Or maybe I just don't know how to use it.

In any case, it seems like They Changed It, Now It Sucks! and It's the Same, Now It Sucks! have a lot of Complaining About People Not Liking the Show. Despite these tropes being about fan reactions, not whether they're warranted, many of the examples are justifying the series and/or mocking fans who don't like whatever changed/stayed the same. They're not all necessarily wrong, but this isn't the place, is it?

Regarding the Sonic the Hedgehog (IDW) series:

Do you feel this entry works? I feel is midly complaining, but, I think the content is good as is a nice critique of the arc.

• The Chao races of the "Chao Races and Badnik Bases'' arc are only featured in two issues of the story and then swept to the wayside for the reminder of it like an afterthought. What we do get is so quick, it barely warrants even being in the title since there's not much development in it: Cheese loses the first race, wins the second, then goes on to help some Chao imprisoned by Clutch, the end. Yeah it's four issues but it feel like they wanted to shoehorn Starline and Shadow in so badly that they made a concessions and cut that plotline short.

I cut this from the same article though, as it was Speculative Troping (based on a unsourced rumor) and stealth complaining (another entry discussing why Team Dark should be friends and what not)

• Related but a rumor to the arc was that the writers originally wanted it to be a "Team Dark" plotline. However, since Sega claims Team Dark isn't a thing in this new Status Quo, it forced the writers to switch things up. Looking at the story beats and how Shadow barely even has much of a role in this arc, it wouldn't be a stretch if this was the truth and honestly would've benefited the story more if the team was still together as underhanded cases are their forte.

Was my decision correct?

Edited by Tomodachi on May 1st 2021 at 9:17:38 AM

WebAnimation.Object Terror and some of its subpages seems to have complaining about its violence that's not usually present in other similar shows.

From Creeped Out

• "The Many Place" is very ambitious, but its effects - especially the goofy looking reality warp every single time they enter the Many Place and the flying cars - are extremely silly and fake-looking.

Is this too much, or am I just over exaggerating?

Eugh, yeah. That might need to be added to the sandbox. Doing a quick skim through the YMMV page, the Memetic Mutation entry is a detractor meme that's used to bash the content and/or the creator, the Ending Fatigue entry is about wanting it to get cancelled rather than a story dragging on for too long, and the They Changed It, Now It Sucks! entry is too complainy and bashy for something that's otherwise valid.

• They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: In the beginning, Object Terror was just an average object show with the standard package, being competition-based, having a cast ranging from bland to mediocre in terms of personality and episodic elimination and challenges. However, episode 3 of the first reboot marked history with the introduction of gore into the series. The early episodes of the second reboot had some minor changes, a bit of inexplicable gore and slightly mature content, but there was still absolutely nothing special about it. That is until "A Perplexing Massacre" took a turn for the worst, cranking the gore, vulgarity and bad writing Up to Eleven (and by cranking the gore up to eleven, we mean ranking up to Happy Tree Friends-tier Gorn). Most viewers criticize the show for having the characters swear, do unsavory things ([cough] Trowel and Beer [cough]) and getting killed in the most gruesome ways, especially since Brian thought it was a good idea to make objects have human insides ^note  The explanation being that they're human-like creatures that look like objects does not help much. Thus, Object Terror has become one of the most controversial object shows to date.

I have added it to the sandbox.

Adaptational Jerkass has a lot of complaining by nature of the trope.

" This ended up happening to Sailors Uranus and Neptune in the classic anime. Aloof allies to the max, they treated the Inner Senshi as kids who were too idealistic for their own good and couldn't handle a war that decided the fate of the world, even though they had already dealt with two world threatening villains (an Eldritch Abomination that was responsible for the Moon Kingdom's destruction and time-traveling terrorists from the 30th century) before they appeared and among them are a national genius girl with a handheld supercomputer that's suggested to be more advanced than modern day appliances (Ami), a psychic girl who could've figured out who held the Talismans by divining through the Sacred Fire (Rei), a girl who awoke as a Sailor Senshi long before all of them did and fought against evil organizations overseas by herself (Minako), and a girl with a legendary crystal that has the capacity to heal/destroy an entire planet and bring the dead back to life (Usagi). They even went as far as stealing Usagi's Transformation Trinket just to get her out of the way and threaten to kill her if she showed up again."

"Amu from Shugo Chara!, just like Luna, she gets that treatment as well, she was more snooty towards her charas than she was in the manga. She was always quick to dismiss them and hardly had any faith in them. When they, along with Eru, lost her Transformation Trinket, and then retrieve it, she instantly accussed them of getting it lost on purpose, she it was Eru's idea. Also, when she lost her chocolate box she made for Tadase for Valentine's Day while fighting a Brainwashed and Crazy classmate, and saw her charas rubbing their stomachs after the fight was over, she instantly accussed them of eating her chocolates and chased after them, while failing to notice said chocolates landed on Ikuto. "

"Anyone familiar with Link, the hero of The Legend of Zelda, knows that he's near consistently portrayed in adaptations as, and implied in the games to be, a brave, humble, all-around heroic person who saves the land of Hyrule and its princess without expecting anything in return. People familiar with Link's other portrayals will probably be surprised that in the cartoon that came after the NES games, he's the complete opposite. This Link was lazy, self-centered, whiny, and is only motivated by getting Zelda to kiss him."

"Zelda herself isn't any better. Most incarnations of her are kind, regal, and wise. This version of Zelda is extremely arrogant, dismissive, snarky, and refuses to give Link the time of day no matter how many times he saves her and her kingdom. She is, after all, the whole reason why the Well, Excuse Me, Princess! trope exists."

I don't know if this is the proper thread to bring this up, but what the hell.

I found this Fandom Rivalry entry on WandaVision, that seems to just be an excuse to complain about the reveal about the fake!Pietro in the series:

Now, I've mostly avoid discussions surrounding the show in a vain attempt to avoid spoilers (I only just binged-watched the series today), but is this entry true? Is there really a significant chunk of bitter MCU fans angry at Spider-Man fans because of the possibility they'll get a multiverse crossover first? Because, I'm not sure if this should be cut or not.

While clicking on "Random Trope" to go on a wiki-walk, I found a page by the name of Monster Fun Facts. It's a very obscure page (last modified: 1 year ago), but that wasn't what caught my eye. What caught my eye was some of the examples, then the trope description. It's a short page, so here's the whole thing:

Whenever a "monster" type character such as a vampire, werewolf, what have you, explains at length about the various rules/characteristics of their culture to another character (usually a clueless human). Usually this happens in one large infodump or sprinkled throughout a series to explain something that, otherwise, would not make any sense. Note that the purpose of this is more about explaining it to the reader rather than the confused human character and only counts if it becomes really obvious and or annoying.

Sometimes the human character will even continue on with a string of questions just to explain things further to the reader, turning into a rather odd interview.

Example:

Often overlaps with Your Vampires Suck.

Examples

Some of the entries (Inheritance Cycle, Twilight, and MAYBE True Blood, as well as the sample example) all seem rather complain-y to me; the trope description itself seems rather complain-y too, saying that an example "only counts if it becomes really obvious and or annoying." Someone else needs to help me here; I'm not sure what to do, and this is the only place I know where it could be fixed.

p.s. That's the entire page. All of it.

Well, that page predates the current TLP process, and is not healthy overall. I suspect that TRS would take about five minutes to burn it to ash, so I wouldn't put much effort into cleaning up the examples.

It's essentially "Info Dump, but only about monsters, and it's annoying" which I think is probably too specific to trope.

Yeah, take it to TRS when the backlog clears.

Chucked it on Tropes Needing TRS.

Saw this in Trivia.RWBY under Troubled Production.

• Volume 1 started off on the wrong foot as Miles and Kerry were very inexperienced in scriptwriting, leading them to focus on the wrong pieces of lore and have episodes focusing on characters the fandom didn't like (the "Jaundice" two-parter focusing on Jaune). As well, Miles and Kerry allowing Monty carte blanche on action scenes meant that things didn't make sense on-screen (such as a fight against Grimm that both Ruby and Jaune decided was too risky suddenly being a easy fight) and ruining Penny's Robotic Reveal.

The first sentence definitely feels kind of complainy with the focus on how the fans felt about "Jaundice", plus I'm not even entirely sure this example qualifies for Troubled Production. (The other examples are fine.) There are definitely reports of Monty and the writers not communicating very well but that seems more like a lack of experience leading to obvious problems in the final product. Though that's probably an issue for the Is This An Example? thread.

There's also a much longer version of example this on TroubledProduction.Web Original that's naturally a bit more complainy.

• Volume 1 was made on a near-literal shoestring budget, not helped by the show being written near week to week. A carried over writing process from Monty Oum's days on Red vs Blue (where portions of the script would be left deliberately blank for Monty to go hog wild with combat sequences) led to disparities where the story and actions wouldn't match up (one instance has Ruby and Jaune note a head to head fight with several Grimm would be too dangerous so running is the better option, only for the teams to then have an extended fight sequence where the teams effortlessly defeat the monsters). Despite bringing them in to balance his ideas and write the scripts, Oum's writing partners in Miles Luna and Kerry Shawcross had barely any experience writing a professional production themselves, with focus given in worldbuilding segments to the wrong parts of the lore or focusing on characters the audience wasn't fond of (especially Jaune Arc). Monty's proclivities towards crazy action also led to him adding scenes behind Miles and Kerry's backs, including accidentally spoiling the robotic nature of Penny Polendina due to having her engage in a fight scene in the first volume's finale. Monty would also admit in a 2013 panel in Sydney that none of the animation in the series was even rendered- due to how long animation rendering can take, all of the first two seasons are made on playblasts, which were able to be made faster but meant all lighting and shadows had to be baked into the scenes by hand.

This one has the Jaune Arc again and also alludes to the World of Remnant shorts with the "wrong parts of the lore" comment. It's also unnecessarily long.

Edited by Karxrida on May 2nd 2021 at 7:02:20 AM

Cereal Vice Reward is full of complaining about, of all things, the way kids behave in cereal commercials. It just reads like Unintentionally Unsympathetic but for commercial mascots.

To be fair, that picture says it all on why that happens. These kids do often act like jerks.

These commercials do have a weird kind of morality about them. I think we can tone down the hyperbole a bit, though.

Edited by Redmess on May 3rd 2021 at 9:30:24 PM

I agree with both of you.

Also, the YMMV.Kung Fu Panda page has this entry:

• I Am Not Shazam: His name is Po, not Kung Fu Panda. Got that, Seltzer and Friedberg?