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- Confirmed in episode 3.
- And confirmed even harder in episode 13.
- So far, Michael is adamant that a person must be exceptionally good in order to get into the Good Place and the system has never failed until the events of this series.
- Confirmed in episode 13, since the four main characters really are in a Bad Place.
- Confirmed in episode 13, when they all start fighting, leading Eleanor to figure out that their neighborhood is actually The Bad Place, and Michael designed it so Eleanor, Chidi, Tahani, and Jason would psychologically torture each other for all of eternity.
- Jossed. It genuinely was a mistake because two women named Eleanor Shellstrop died in the exact same accident and there was a mix up within the Celestial Bureaucracy when their cases were being processed.
- And then sort of confirmed. It wasn't a mistake because this is really a Bad Place, and all four leads deserved to be there.
- And by the end of Season 3, it really is used as an experiment to test this notion, with the leads re-creating the neighborhood with new subjects and removing the malice from its challenges.
- Michael, in the pilot, says that there are multiple Good Places, each one uniquely designed according to their architects' visions.
- They'd be looking because Alt!Eleanor would have said she didn't belong almost right away, assuming the process is even remotely similar to the Good Place. They would have known they had the wrong person but probably not worried too much about getting Alt!Eleanor to the Good Place only getting Prime!Eleanor to the Bad.
- Confirmed. She's a demon named Vicky who Michael hired to guilt trip Eleanor even more.
- Confirmed. Michael thought that the tried-and-true system was getting stale and wanted to give his co-workers a chance to try something new. But by Chapter 16, we see that the other demons are getting fed up with his bumbling and constant resets of the system and just want to go back to what they'd been doing before Michael came up with his grand idea.
- Partial. The train was a ruse to lure the demons away. The humans weren't on the train.
- Confirmed (ish), in "Rhonda, Diana, Jake, and Trent", as the humans try to get to the portal leading to the Judge.
- Shawn may get tired after seeing Michael fail, but the failure may prod Shawn into thinking that he might be able to make it work by adding a 5th member to the Four-Man Band. After Shawn's plans fall apart just like Michael's, Shawn tries another reset but it doesn't fully take, leading to Michael using his Architect & Janet hacking powers to create an afterlife outside the Good, Bad or Medium place.
- As of Chapter 16, Michael is forced to team up with the four humans because he has a demonic mutiny on his hands, and they do indeed pretend the torture is working as a team.
- Confirmed in a way in the 3rd episode of Season 2. Vicky forms something of a daemonic union, with her as leader. She then blackmails Michael into wanting some control. Shawn is the one who removes her in the end, though.
- Confirmed...right down to Jason managing to get it one time from some pretty ridiculous details...though Michael's reaction was a bit more depressive & understated than angry, but still, a Doug Forcett-worthy guess.
- There was even a scene of Michael's hopeless frustration, though that involved less screaming and more I Need a Freaking Drink (one iteration had him surrounded empty take-out boxes and whiskey bottles, ranting in front of a thoroughly confused Eleanor [who just had her memory wiped for the 108th time]).
- Mostly confirmed. Eleanor reached out to her mother, Tahani reached out to Kamilah, Jason reached out to Donkey Doug and Pillboi. Subsequent events prevent Chidi from getting a chance to do the same before they go into Janet's void, however, and the next time he sees Simone, it's a major blow to the group's new plan.
- Disproven in episode 13. The entire neighborhood is actually the Bad Place.
- Unjossed and confirmed later, when the whole gang return to Earth, getting "kicked out" of the Bad Place.
- Kind of done in Season 3, where Chidi elects to have his memories rebooted again because Simone is part of the new neighborhood experiment and he would have to work with her and risk blowing it. Thus, Season 4 is set up with the main cast mostly all on the same page, but Chidi being alone in set back to square one as he is introduced for the first time...again...to the afterlife.
- Confirmed in "Tinker Tailor Demon Spy".
- Partially confirmed in "Tinker Tailor Demon Spy". Glenn decided that Shawn had gone too far and decided to inform the group about Shawn's meddling. Glenn's turned to goop before we get to see if this was a one-off or if he'd turn against the Bad Place.
- It will feature Team Cockroach trying to escape paradise because humans are fickle, and even a real heaven will become boring to them since it lacks the challenge, and therefore purpose, that 'The Good Place' gave them. Leading them to discover either that Good is Not Nice. They'll try to return to the original Good Bad Place. This would tie back to Michael's Season 1 comment about Frozen Yogurt "It's very human to take something good, and ruin it just a little bit, so you can have more of it."
- Eventually confirmed. Team Cockroach makes it to the Real Good Place at the very end of Season 4 and discover that it's actually a bit of a bummer. Instead of returning to the Good Bad Place, however, they decide to enact reforms to make life in the Good Place more meaningful.
- It's been proven that the Good Place members are completely and utterly incompetent and indecisive to do anything constructive on humanity's behalf. Meanwhile, Michael, the Ascended Demon, knows when to lie and cheat when needs to, and because he's come to appreciate humans, he can use those tricks towards a good cause. He'll essentially replace Judge Gen as the equivalent of God of the Celestial Bureaucracy. Fittingly, since his human form can be considered to be a modern take on the classical depiction of God.
- Confirmed. Michael signs a contract tricking him into running the Good Place and he eventually rises to the occasion.
- Seemingly confirmed in "Don't Let The Good Place Pass You By" as Shawn is confident he'll see the main four's friends and families in the Bad Place, which clues Michael in that something is very wrong.
- Shawn's dogged pursuit throughout the third season strongly suggests Michael, Janet, and Team Cockroach are going to uncover and possibly fix fundamental flaws in the afterlife judgement system. It wouldn't make sense to chase them so aggressively if they didn't present a severe threat to the status quo - like, for example, proving that the judgment system is enormously biased toward the Bad Place. Or the team's experience with post-mortem moral improvement might prove - if presented to the proper authorities - that condemning anyone to eternal torment is wrong.
- Partially confirmed as of Season 3's Janet(s). People have gotten into the Good Place before... but the last one was over 500 years ago.
- Disproved. There is only one good, and one bad place (at least for humans). Anyone who makes it past a given point threshold would go to the good place, and everyone who doesn't would go to the bad place.
The only varieties in the places seem more to allow each place to be better tailored to the occupants, but being better than someone else in the good place, or worse than someone else in the bad place means nothing.
- Jossed. Everyone really is dead. By the end of the series we've seen the deaths of numerous characters.
- Disproved. It's not a test, and Eleanor, as well as Chidi, Tahani, and Jason are really all in the Bad Place.
- Alternately the real Eleanor will want to do the same thing she did in life, saving innocent people from punishment
- Partially disproven in episode 13; While she did offer to go to the Bad Place in the place of someone else, towards the end of the episode it was revealed that she's really an agent of the Bad Place who's working with Michael to torture them all.
- Disproven. Eleanor very much does not like the prospect of eternal torture in The Bad Place. She goes to The Good Place, with the others. And even then, she does not "cut loose", besides realising that her idea of heaven when entering The Good Place would become an eternity of boring mediocrity.
- Jossed. The Bad Place is described pretty unambiguously as a Fire and Brimstone Hell, with the exception of Neighborhood 12358W, which is a false paradise.
- Relatedly, it's Purgatory for Michael too, although he doesn't know it. His flaw is perfectionism, and his unrealistic expectations would likely make any Heaven he's in charge of either break down from trying to function under far too many rules or turn it into a ghost town because no-one would be "good enough." The "flaws" in the Good Place, including Eleanor, were put in place to intentionally contribute to the breakdown of Michael's too-exacting Heaven, hopefully teaching him that "good enough" is preferable to an unrealistically perfect idea.
- This troper came to make the same WMG. Everyone has something that needs to be fixed, even if they aren't "bad" people. Episode 4 gave us some idea of this with Chidi's life's work apparently being an insanely confusing and rambling Door Stopper that even a supernatural being couldn't make heads or tails of—he tried to make a difference, but apparently wasn't able to do so. Rehabilitating Eleanor is his test.
- It's clearly far from perfect, and responds directly to people's moral behavior or lack thereof. It certainly *acts* more like a world designed to teach people how to be better, rather than directly rewarding everyone. It's also possible that some of the "people" there aren't really humans and are there to be part of the learning experience...
- Disproven. In episode 13, it's revealed that they are all actually in the Bad Place. Their flaws are what got them there.
- Although this is technically jossed, it's still SUPER insightful and prescient to the future developments of the show, to the point that if this neighborhood had been created with a different cast of characters with all the same flaws following the series finale, it would have been exactly right!
- Disproven. Sort of. In the grand finale, the Medium Place becomes purgatory, not The Good Place.
- Jossed — there is no mistaken identity, it was all a convoluted torture for Eleanor and Jason.
- Partially confirmed. In episode 13, it's revealed that neighborhood 12358W is actually a Bad Place neighborhood. They don't belong in Good Place, and they are all really in the Bad Place.
- A mediocre place already exists.
- Jossed. There's a separate Mediocre Place, and anyway, Neighborhood 12358W is The Bad Place.
- Jossed. it's a regular house in the middle of the desert
- Note that when Eleanor and Jason do get to the "Medium Place," they end up at each other's throats over whether to stay or return to Neighborhood 12358W — something which Michael could have reasonably guessed might happen, especially after Eleanor fessed up. It was just a matter of waiting for all the pieces to fall into place.
- If the bad place had created a false "Medium Place" they would have used Micheal in the orientation video. Seeing as we see an never before seen woman acting as Trevor counter part to the "Bad Place" instead of Michael. Then it leans towards the medium place being genuine.
- Jossed In season two , where not only is it real. But Eleanor and Chidi have visited it over a dozen times in order to escape the Bad Place. As well as to plan ways to escape. Each time fails and sooner or later they end up back at Mindy's door.
- Jossed, we see how she dies in episode four. More embarrasing then mysterious. She is killed when her sisters Statue falls on her crushing her to death.
- She has a pretty important role in the 3rd episode of Season 2. As to if that's a "bigger" part, that might be still up for question at this stage.
- Jossed, it was about the same. She does get her cocaine, though!
- Jossed in the Season 2 starter. Chris turns out to be a demon, and his obsession with his figure (and going to the gym) is what tips Eleanor off the second time.
- Disproven. She is not aware of the Neighbourhood being in the Bad Place, or a bespoke torture chamber. She herself is being tortured, like the other humans, by being given a "soulmate" who she cannot speak with. Said soulmate is also ascetic, in comparison to the wealth she's used to.
- Jossed and jossed. We have now seen how Tahani died.
Its effectively the same situation which Michael put the group through in season one. What better twist is their than discovering he's as trapped and tortured in his own creation as the others? The season might even end with Michael realising this only for Shawn to simply wipe his memory and carrying on the eternal loop.
- Seemingly jossed. Michael and his experiment were being honored in the Bad Place for innovation by the time Shawn realizes what Michael had done.
- Disproven. The gang ultimately end up in The Good Place. The neighbourhood itself is shut down/deleted when they leave for good.
- As of "Best Self," the neighborhood has been decommissioned and destroyed.
- Well... they do but only because Gen and Michael arrange for them to have a second chance at life.
- Partially disproven. Centuries have not passed in the real world due to Jeremy Bearimy, which means that they were sent back to their lives, before any time had actually passed.
- ... But also partially confirmed. The penultimate finale examines the legacies of their time on Earth.
- Tahani's parents are already dead (their will was discussed in a flashback), and Kamilah doesn't care about Tahani one bit. She's probably not expecting visitors.
- Potentially Jossed: Tahani escaped death because Michael shoved her out of the statue's way, like with Eleanor and the stack of carts. It's unlikely she'll end up in a hospital.
- Jossed for real; she was fine afterwards.
- Just like that previous WMG, potentially Jossed. Michael shoves Tahani out of the way before the statue crushed her.
- Because why wouldn't she qualify?
- Jossed. Nobody has gotten into the good place for over 500 years.
- The fact no soul has entered the Good Place for 512 years means it will be lacking luxuries that modern day souls would have on Earth. Team Cockroach may even comment that Michael's version of the Good Place was actually better than the actual Good Place.
- Considering that you can wish for whatever you want in the Good Place, this is definitely Jossed!
- Also partially confirmed, but not for the stated reason. Being unable to leave has turned The Good Place into an eternity of mediocrity, where the residents have become metaphorical mush as a result. However, the Good Place has kept up with the flow of time in the mortal world.
- Or at least it's not an eternal reward for good behavior the way we've been led to believe. It would be far more in line with the show's themes thus far if it was revealed that there is no point at which you've "won" at being a good person, that being good is an active choice you have to keep making, and that goodness is something you should do simply because it's right, not because you'll be rewarded for it. Additionally, after almost 3 seasons it's starting to get conspicuous that the only evidence we have of the Good Place's existence is the word of Michael and the Judge and the fact that Janet exists, all of which could easily be misdirects. Shawn's certainty that everyone the Soul Squad tries to help will go to the Bad Place anyways is also a strong hint that no one gets into the Good Place, which could be because it doesn't exist.
- The later episodes seem to make it very clear that there is a Good Place, since there's an administrative center for it populated by ridiculously good employees.
- Team Cockroach eventually earn their places in the Real Good Place.
- Additionally, she's Simone. Simone is just as quirky and off-kilter as she is, not to mention both are notably attracted to Chidi - and Gen is offscreen for most of the episode, supposedly watching her shows, the perfect cover to secretly go to Earth and observe the group up close.
- Confirmed on the first point. Gen finds out about Michael and Janet's interference and is going to have Michael retired and Janet marbelized, but they decide to make a run for it. Simone is a real human, though, and Gen has to be convinced to visit Earth for the first time by the gang when the new chance falls through.
- Jossed, actually. The WMG is that she knew all along. She didn't, the rules were real, she only found out later he was interfering and was furious about it.
- Kelsey Grammer (for obvious reasons)
- John Ratzenberger (again, the obvious)
- Rhea Pearlman (ditto)
- Woody Harrelson (see above)
- Shelley Long (You may start noticing a pattern here)
- Or to take it to another direction, Mary Steenburgen
- "Weird Al" Yankovic, because he's supposed to be guest starring at some point.
- Sadly, Michael never got an opposite number during the course of the show's run.
- Either Jason meets him on Earth but doesn’t realize who it is, or he will be in the Good or Bad Place.
- Bortles did say in a Reddit AMA that the show tried to book him as a guest star, but he couldn't fit it in his schedule at that point.
- Partially confirmed in episode 13 when it's revealed that Michael is really a Bad Place architect, and they are all in the Bad Place, in a neighborhood Michael designed to look like the Good Place, where they are meant to psychologically torture each other for eternity.
- Also partially disproven. Michael is one of a myriad of architects working in the Bad Place. He's not the leader of it. His superior would be Shaun, and he himself is a demon, both in role, and species.
- This "Good Place" certainly does have its fair share of elitism, what with almost everyone humble-bragging about what amazing works they did to get there.
- Considering the revelation at the end of the season, this is probably not coincidental.
- Alternately, the audio clip could have been a really wild rave.
- Disproven. It's actually pretty hot.
- Disproven. There is only the Good, Bad, and Medium places.
- Zig-zagged. Within the show's internal logic, those who get sent to the Bad Place are supposed to be doomed to spend an eternity being tortured with no hope of salvation. However, the four human protagonists are in a unique position where the demon who's supposed to be torturing them has screwed up so badly that he needs their help in order to survive himself and he uses the possibility of taking them to the Good Place as a bargaining chip to gain their assistance. With that possibility being on the table, they all begin studying ethics to try and improve themselves so that they may somehow improve their chances of actually being accepted by the Good Place when they arrive.
- Alternatively, Janet is Metatron, the voice of god. She speaks the truth like the voice of god would but she doesn't seem to have enough power to be God.
- Semi-jossed in that "Janet" is simply the name of the program both the Good and Bad Places use (Michael even mentions stealing a Janet from the real Good Place to use in his fake Good Place).
- Disproven. Janet is just an operational mainframe/framework for a neighbourhood, taken from a warehouse of Janets. There are many like her, each maintaining a different neighbourhood. Janet falling in love with Jason was an aberration. The higher-ups of the various places are different beings, who have more power than Janet, and Janet herself has a creator in "The Makers of Light and Darkness".
- To add to it, everyone will demonstrate their development of having overcome their literal fatal flaw.
- Chidi will find his actual soulmate and, without hesitation or rigidity, confess and act on a declaration of love.
- Tahani will see her sister do something amazing and feel no need to respond; indeed, it may also come after an incredible act of charity and instead of wanting to talk all about it, she quietly accepts no praise.
- Perhaps before they get in, she'll actively choose to do something distinctly unglamorous, or that the others will magically be prevented from ever knowing she did, but that's key to their "escape?"
- Eleanor will stand against The Bad Place for a bunch of Good Placers she hasn't even met yet. Or maybe even helping a bunch of people in the Bad Place reach the Good Place. Maybe even deciding to stay behind (wherever they are) to help more out - becoming the saver of people that "Real Eleanor" allegedly was.
- Jason will give up a chance to be a literal heavenly DJ to stay quiet and actually help someone out.
- Very insightful! By the series finale, they do all do some variation of this: Jason inadvertently but happily being a monk, Tahani being an afterlife architect working behind the scenes, etc
- Disproven. Instead, everyone is returned to Earth at the end of the series.
- Incorrect. The series ends with Eleanor, Chidi, Tahani and Jason in the Good Place, with Eleanor, Chidi and Jason going through the door, which does not lead one back to Earth.
But what if Michael was telling the truth about every major religion getting the afterlife "about 5% right," something he had no real reason to lie about? In that case, reincarnation might be a part of the whole process, with The Bad Place-but-actually-it's-Purgatory just being another step on the journey to enlightenment and subsequent entry to paradise. Thus, the series will end with Eleanor and Jason being reborn, with the promise that the four of them will meet again sometime down the eternal line.
- Or, it's possible that Chidi will temporarily give up his chance at The Good Place on the condition that the four of them meet on Earth in the next go-around, so that they can help each other live better and more thoughtful mortal lives.
- Disproven: Everyone makes it to the Good Place in the end, together as a group.
- In Season 2 Episode 3 Chidi & Eleanor actually come up with the idea to make Michael think he's in the bad place too. Their plan fails, but that doesn't mean it can't be true.
- From what we've seen, Michael's story mirrors the human one: he's got to keep up appearances and lie to people with more power than him, under the threat that there are worse places he could be. He has to live in the town and endure all the anxiety and psychological torture that comes with it. He's dependent on other, possibly dumber demons not blabbing and ruining everything. Michael can't even leave without Janet's help.
- Ultimately Disproven. Michael isn't being tortured in the neighbourhood. The entire thing was his idea in the first place, compared to the more traditional torture methods the Bad Place uses, ostensibly requiring less work once it got running, and causing more suffering.
- As of mid-season 2, 1235W has been destroyed.
- As has already been pointed out, if the requirements to get into the Good Place were actually that high... nobody who deserved to get in would feel comfortable being there, because they wouldn't be able to stand the thought of "pretty good, but not good enough" people not making it in.
- For Neighborhood 12358W to run smoothly, Eleanor, Jason and Tahani must believe that the standards are absurdly high. For the former two, it's so they can't make excuses about "probably being good enough" or anything like that, allowing them to half-ass their deception or otherwise get too complacent. As for Tahani, this is specifically required for the neighborhood rankings, which are otherwise pointless; if she was just in a neighborhood with Good Enough People, she might question how she's so low-ranked to begin with, which might in turn lead her to the conclusion that it's because of self-serving intent, only for her to wonder if THAT shouldn't have disqualified her altogether.
- Jossed. It is, or rather, was, actually even less generous than we've been led to believe.
- Or she isn't dead but a demon will impersonate her in order to torment Tahani. Tahani will figure out that the demon isn't really her sister and discover This Isn't Heaven
- Seemingly Jossed.
- Semi-disproven. Everyone has died by the time of the finale, reuniting in the afterlife, but she wasn't killed any time soon after Tahani died.
- Semi-Disproven. There is the Judge, who comes close, as a powerful character, and arbiter. However, she is not the Abrahamic God.
- Alternately, the case number was simply made up by Shawn as part of his "all-knowing judge" act.
- No, Shawn is actually an all-knowing judge. He is actually (and literally) Michael's boss, the one that gave him the go-ahead to proceed with this whole project.
- I think this already happened. We know the judge is real. I think case 00002 was Mindy. Judge Gen said, upon their arrival, that she hadn't had any cases in like 30 years, and Mindy said nobody had said anything to her in like 30 years. Mindy's placement was a compromise after the 2 sides had been bickering. The judge would have ruled over this. The timeline fits (assuming the reboots all took place on parallel temporal planes). When the first fake Good Place was close to falling apart, and they got Shawn to play the judge, they used the real case number system because lies work better when they're close to the truth (a rule Michael used other times as well). Mindy helped the team several times, and ultimately helped them figure out a solution to escaping (the fact they were basically winning because they kept breaking the system), and by giving Elanor the sextape that ultimately made her realize she loved Chidi. Case 00002 really was the key to getting out, because she gave Elanor a means of escaping in the form of the knowledge that they were winning. Vicky was just a spanner in the works that made it all moot by causing a team-up.
- Case 00001 was probably the first mortal to die, and therefore the precedent setter for all Good/Bad place rulings, Mindy being a fluke was case 00002 because of her middling status, which still would hold that Elanor would be case 3.
- Ultimately disproven. The case is not referenced much later, and not used to get out of the neighbourhood.
- Kristen Bell has stated that she hoped that Eleanor would be canonically bi, so it's a possibility.
- Jason also had no issue with marrying his male best friend to escape from being arrested and Janet technically isn't female, hinting at Janet being nonbinary. This could mean he's bi/pan.
- Jason and Pillboi's plan on getting married to avoid having to testify against each other (in the hopes of staying out of jail) has nothing to do about their sexuality or views on nonbinary relationships and is to illustrate that the two are Too Dumb to Live, don't understand the nuances of the trouble they're about to get into, and that Jason, had he survived the hare-brained heist, would have most definitely ended up in prison.
- Plenty of dumb people are homophobic. The point about Jason having no issue with the idea of marrying Pillboi indicating he's cool with same-sex pairings still stands.
- Disproven. Until the finale, the only people shown to be in the afterlife are the main four. Although Eleanor's father was implied to have died, she does not meet him, and her friends are still very much alive.
- Disproven. They were selected, but Michael did not cause their death. In fact, he specifically averts their death near the end of Season 2, when they are returned to the mortal realm.
- Confirmed! Well done.
- Ultimately disproven. No-one goes to Cincinatti. Except possibly Gen, but it's not shown.
- Disproven. Jianyu is just a false persona for Jason. There is no real Jianyu.
- Jossed, the whole concept of soulmates is kind of a mess now, since Tahani is deeply in love with Chidi, Eleanor might be in love with both Tahani AND Chidi, and Chidi just can't decide between the two.
- Ultimately disproven. Soulmates don't exist, and if they are (according to Michael), they're made, not chosen for you.
- I figure that if they do get promoted, they'd get jobs matching or making fun of their personalities.
- Eleanor could be the architect for the Medium Place
- Chidi could decide on who gets to go to which afterlife
- Jason could act as an assistant for Janet or maybe take over the Bad Place
- Tahani would become an architect and plan out how the afterlifes function
- Confirmed. Tahani becomes an architect. Michael himself is promoted into being the sole member of the Good Place Committee.
- Alternatively, he might be even worse. He has stated he was getting bored with "classic" torturing, so he built his fake Good Place so he could try subtler, more psychological methods of torturing.
- Ultimately disproven. Michael is genuinely evil, but with some help from the rest of the group, slowly learns to be a better person.Michael: [In response to Chidi being aghast at his solution to the trolley problem] People are good. People are good. Why is that so hard to remember?
- Might be confirmed in the future, but Jossed for now, as Michael's plans are already so screwed up that he's forced into working with the very people he intended to torture for a thousand years.
- Seemingly disproven. Tahani doesn't realise that she doesn't belong to the good place, needing Michael to tell her why she's in the Bad Place, although she was able to figure out the experiment in at least one of the loops.
- Seemingly jossed...Mindy's a bit too forthcoming when they return to be in Michael's employ.
- Ultimately disproven. Everyone has been going to the Bad Place for 500 years. In all of human existence, Mindy was the only one whose point score averaged out enough that it needed both places to go in front of the judge to make their case. As a result, the Medium Place was specifically built for her only, and she is the only occupant. There are no other Medium Places.
- Good Janet cannot lie without malfunctioning, and if there were other Medium Places, she would have said as much.
- She certainly did get out of giving a speech after she asked it for help.
- Semi-confirmed. Janets have godlike powers to begin with, but the reboots have made Janet the most advanced Janet in the afterlife.
- ... But also disproven. Janet, for all her abilities, is hardly a god. Her powers pale compared to that of the Judge, and certain abilities, like restructuring the afterlife, seem to be reserved to the Judge, or require authorisation from beings like the judge (she needed the judge's granting her the ability to make Michael into a mortal).
- Disproven. Soulmates don't actually exist, and if they do, they're made. Vicky is only interested in torturing Chidi, but she is not part of Chidi's test to enter the Good Place.
- Disproven. Michael is a native denizen of the Bad Place (a 6000ft tall fire squid), and isn't forced into working for them. He was happy to be promoted to an architect, and the torture experiment was his idea, to liven things up from the traditional tortures. None of his other colleagues, nor his superiors, seem to acknowledge his being a former denizen of the Good Place.
- Disproven. Soulmates don't exist, but if they do, they're made. Eleanor ends up with Chidi. Unless the group becomes soulmates with each other.
- Disproven. She is Put on a Bus when the experiment is shut down, and the group leaves the neighbourhood for good.
- Disproven. Word of God says that her connections and achievements are legitimate. Tahani is being tortured, like the others. If she was observing, her memory being continually wiped in the early S2 reset loops would have caused the higher-ups of the Bad Place to take notice and halt the failed experiment.
- Ultimately confirmed, in a roundabout way. Tahani, along with the rest of the group, ultimately saves her sister and the rest of humanity from The Bad Place by abolishing the Bad Place entirely, rewriting the points system.
- Disproven. Michael is actually an architect, and his actual form is a 6000ft tall fire squid. His own powers aren't something the humans are shown to have, either.
- There's no way to prove or disprove this, it's just another It Was All A Dream theory. But his being promoted to the head of the Good Place Committee would suggest otherwise. If he is being tortured eternally, that kind of good thing seems beyond unlikely, without a fall afterward.
- It looks as though the other Janet was just the next one in line and hadn't been activated yet. Also, if that Janet were going to "rat out" Michael, wouldn't "our" Janet have done that? More generally though, "our" Janet coming into conflict with other Good Janets seems quite possible.
- Ultimately disproven (sort of). The other Janet does not appear again, although the other Janets do play a role in the climax of the show, joining forces to help the group.
- (Partially) Confirmed! Everyone does end up in The Good Place eventually (or at least, has the potential to), as long as they become worthy of it, after the group rewrites the points and punishment systems, effectively abolishing The Bad Place. However, it was not Janet's doing.
- Disproven. No Shawn episode, unfortunately. His emotionlessness might be as a result of his boredom, however, as it's suggested the denizens of the Bad Place have become bored with their typical range of tortures, hence why Shawn allowed Michael's experiment to go for so long before intervening.
- Or perhaps simply, "The Better Place". This forms a double meaning: not just a place to become better, but also for when people on earth refer to deceased loved ones as being "in a better place".
- Kind of confirmed! They create afterlife tests designed to make them better and better until they qualify for the Good Place.
- So far confirmed, as season 3's premiere was "Everything Is Bonzer", an Australian-ish escalation from Great.
- Disproven by Season 4, the first episode of which is called "A girl from Arizona".
- Disproven. (Not that these kinds of theories can easily be done one way or another). The plot twist of Season 2 is not that it was a dream.
- Disproved. Trent looks nothing like Chidi.
- Confirmed/Implied. Eleanor is implied to have passed where the others failed, but she stops Gen before she can tell the rest of the group that.
- Confirmed.
Michael uses his birthday as his pin number, and we see that that is 0000. The joke would at first appear to be that Michael is an eternal demon that has existed since the beginning of time.
But time did not begin at 0000, even young-earth creationists put the earth at being 6000 years old, (and thus, beginning at 4000BC). 0000 Would have been 2018 years ago, at the birth of christ. Which seems like quite the coincidence considering the time-scales involved.
We also know that Michael is not in The Good Place. And we see from the events of the show that he can become a better person/demon after he starts teaming up with the humans. Which makes one wonder if torture was ever really his goal in the first place. (At a minimum he is very bad at it).
So the theory is that Michael is Jesus, he has just spent the last two thousand years in The Bad Place/Purgatory being tortured by having torture the very people he died for, and helping to design their punishments. Then the demons decided to move away from traditional torture and into something more psychological, rather mirroring Michael himself, they pretend to promote him to Architect and put him in charge of his own Bad Place Neighborhood, (which his innate nature has him warping to try and make it good) arranging it so that he will spend an eternity trying to either torture people, or trying to save them and failing again and again.
Everything we have seen in the show is just a part of that. Including the good/bad/medium places, and the trial and everything else. It is all designed to torment Michael as much as possible, and this will be revealed in Season 3 when Team Cockroach fails utterly and they are either put back into a place where Michael is somewhat in charge but can't help, or Michael himself has his memory wiped like he wiped the minds of the humans. Like the montage of fake Good Place neighborhoods at the beginning of season 2, season 3 will contain a montage of scenarios Michael gets put through involving Team Cockroach to torture him.
It's not exact (there's apparently AI, for starters), and maybe they'll be more vague about it all in the end, since they're saying a most religions were a certain percent right, and using terms like "Good Place" and "Bad Place" in the first place instead of directly stating any particular mythos or religion.
(Acknowledging here that while the Aeneid expresses ancient Greek mythos specifically, other cultures had and have similar underworlds too.)
Another reason to consider the possibility is Michael's description of his retirement sounding similar to various ancient civilizations' gods' eternal punishments (Prometheus, Loki, etc.), if with more suns involved.
- Disproven. Michael ultimately ends up in The Good Place, and becomes an architect there.
- He does ultimately get reborn as a non-demon, however.
- Disproven. The Bad Place is actually that bad (Penis Flatteners are mentioned at one point). Michael's neighbourhood is just the exception to the rule, being an experiment with a fake Good Place. The medium place with Mindy St. Claire is the only medium place, but since she's the only occupant, it is specifically tailored to her, being perfectly medium.
- This would be amazing. It would be not only funny and interesting but provide further proof to the higher-ups of the afterlife that it is possible for people to change after death, for the better and for the worst.
- Disproven. (and it would go against the nature of the show being that people can improve) People in the good place don't turn bad afterward.
- Kamilah having to take good person lessons alongside her sister would be an interesting storyline... And let's be real, Tahani may have resented her sister, and Kamilah may have been a massive bitch, but Tahani would not want her little sister to spend eternity in the Bad Place. Given the opportunity, she'd give Kamilah a chance to become better so she could get into the Good Place, too.
- Disproven. Kamilah is shown to be in the good place later, after having passed her trials.
- Seemingly Jossed by the Season 3 finale, although this could easily be a trick.
- It is possible that it's a per-person, or per-neighbourhood option. Although the denizens themselves may not like to swear.
Alternatively, they are the reason why french things get you sent to the bad place.
- Considering the revelation, they probably would have ended up there.
- The point where JASON figured out they were in the bad place. That hurt Michael.
- We've seen that introducing concern to demons can emotionally torture them, as demonstrated after the train reveal.
- In her crowning moment of awesome, Janet kicked Shawn to the point he was unconscious.
- In one reboot, Michael was having an emotional breakdown due to them constantly defeating him, and he just admitted the entire plan to Elanor.
- Ultimately disproven. No uprising of humans is had, and no demons are ultimately hurt, besides ones that were exploded.
- His relationships with Janet and Tahani both came out of nowhere after he had a pleasant conversation with them or they were nice to him. This suggests a hard time understanding romantic attraction, which is a common trait for aromantic people.
- Apparently Jossed by Word of God: they really are back on Earth, alive.
Also, when he was persuading Elanor to go to the Bad Place voluntarily, the reason he gave was that she wouldn't have to spend every day where she didn't belong. Suggesting that every day was miserable for her.
The other demons with Trevor had Jason pump the keg, which was how Tahani initially figured out Jianyu wasn't who she thought, which helped drive the eventual breakdown of version 1.
My theory is that Trevor was trying to sabotage the project for some reason, but didn't want to get caught at it. His response was to introduce a subtle hint that they were in the bad place so Elanor would eventually figure it out on her own, and she did figure it out on that iteration.
And what about Michael? This is were Chidi is the spanner in the works. Including someone who studied morality and ethics meant that there was a much higher chance for the Cockroach Club to improve and adapt to their circumstances—much like humans are apt to do. This is a fact that was neglected by Michael and the other Immortal Beings, as the idea is that in The Good Place you can't get better and in The Bad Place you're too late to improve. However, Michael observed countless times where the Cockroach Club sought to improve themselves to better their circumstances. They have also used their improvements to welcome him as a friend—the demon who is supposed to be torturing them for all eternity. Which now leads us into Season 3: Without the promise of The Good Place and their forced/shared camaraderie, can these four still be good?
- Michael seems to have made one fundamental mistake. He neglected to consider that they would end up improving each other, in addition to torturing each other. His expectation was that Eleanor would forced to be miserable to try and fit in, while Chidi would be miserable trying to help her, when she was not receptive. Possibly as a consequence of demons being immortal, and therefore not entirely in touch with humans, who are more likely to change on their own. Instead, Eleanor was anomalously receptive and sought out Chidi's help to be better and fit in, causing the experiment to start going funny.
- Confirmed-ish. Ultimately, she would have gone to the bad place, because of the Season 4 revelation, but otherwise, she was likely to go there anyway. However, by the time of Season 4, she's in The Good Place for good.
That Michael is cheating in the experiment obviously isn't going to go unnoticed for long. But to prevent it being cancelled and them being thrown into the bad place, he'll instead agree to a compromise, which will involve Shawn sending Vicky to act as the team's devil on the shoulder against Michael's efforts.
- Confirmed. Both Vicky and Shawn make a return in Season 4.
- Disproved. Simone is a person, like any other, and has her own flaws. It's implied that Michael's unauthorised trips to the mortal realm and resulting meddling caused a numerous number of other disasters. A denizen of the Good Place would not violate the rules, and risk their presence destabilising Earth further.
- Played with. Their motivations are soon corrupted by their discovery of Michael, Janet, and the afterlife door, damning them back to the Bad Place by knowing of the afterlife. Ultimately, though, they end up in the Good Place.
- Unlikely. Janet, after a reboot, needs to reload all her information, including all information from the past and present. The amount of new data afterward is comparatively little, assuming that she stores it all in the first place, rather than searching it up on the fly. That's also not taking into account her gradual advancements, which might give her the additional processing power to handle it with much more ease than her factory counterparts.
- Disproved. Janet does not have a meltdown as a result of their return to the afterlife.
- Confirmed. As a result of the Season 4 revelation, Doug Forcett is also set to go to the Bad Place, but not necessarily for the reason of having corrupt motivations. He doesn't stay there for good, though.
- Jossed. He's totally human. With a score and everything.
- Not completely. He knows way too much to have lived a normal existence. Maybe he had some near death experience or was visited by an angel or demon.
- That is also unlikely. Doug Forcett guessed correctly by pure chance, owing to a drug trip (which may have given him some kind of temporary enlightenment). But the crucial factor is that he doesn't know for sure.
- Not completely. He knows way too much to have lived a normal existence. Maybe he had some near death experience or was visited by an angel or demon.
- Disproved. It turns out that no manipulation of the system has taken place. The current outcomes of the system are as a result of it not keeping up with the moral complexities of modern human life.
- This would make sense, but what little we've seen of the Good Place, so far, has been more in the style of the 18th or 19th century US.
- Disproven. The Good Place is up to date. Possibly helped by the Janets, who are able to retrieve information from modern times.
- They're still together, and even working through some problems like Eleanor's insecurity about being in love, so they probably won't break up too quickly if they even do.
- Confirmed, but not at all in the way the WMG implies; Chidi's memory is wiped, making the breakup more one of necessity.
- There's no way the points system is fixed, given that actions related to new things (The Bachelor, the Cleveland Browns, etc.) are given point values. Thus it makes sense that as certain actions have become more frowned upon, their point values have been changed. The person who most recently got into the Good Place therefore may have been fair for his day, but might still believe in things like the patriarchy, etc. This will lead to a philosophical discussion about moral relativism.
- It's worth remembering that none of the point totals from the first season can be trusted. Michael could have been using real point totals to sell the illusion, but they could just have easily been Blatant Lies.
- Disproven. Even people from ancient times seem pretty pleasant by modern standards. It is implied that the standard of "good" has not changed, just the moral complexities involved.
- For whatever reason, Michael chose to only reveal the instances in which Eleanor fell in love with Chidi. In the upcoming season, he'll have a change of heart, brought on by Eleanor's feeling of loneliness, and show Eleanor her relationships with Tahani, leading Eleanor to try a relationship with Tahani once more.
- Well there was attempt #218
- If nothing else, having to deal with the whole Chidi situation would be a good prod to bring them closer together.
- Well there was attempt #218
- Part of Eleanor's journey is her finding social bonds - familial, platonic, and romantic. Janet, as with Michael, is best suited to be the same kind of parental figure as Michael to Eleanor as Janet has a maturity and knowledge Eleanor can rely on.
- Unlikely, since Janet also sees Michael as a father figure.
- While she is aware that he's got flaws, Eleanor doesn't really see him as a flawed individual. He's still this all-powerful, all-knowing figure much like a child sees their parent. Part of her arc as the architect in S4 is coming to realize - really realize - that Michael shouldn't be put on a pedestal because it's unfair to him (and a byproduct of her own faults). Part of that will be a shift from her constantly looking to him to fix everything to learning how to fix things herself (at the least, the things that she is more than equipped to fix herself).
- Disproven. Vicky in the Michael suit is exploded, and the suit is never seen again.
- Wow... that's... wow. Are you sure you're not a Bad Place architect because that'd be brilliant (read: really evil) as a means of forking up the experiment and torturing Eleanor.
- But if he's an analogue to Eleanor as well as a torturous presence, then maybe he will be the first to improve or seek help. So far, the Shellstrops have a good track record for personal growth. But on second thought, Doug Shellstrop would recognize his daughter, and wouldn't his memories of Eleanor be too intertwined with the rest to be erased?
- Disproven. The person turns out to be Chidi.
- Unlikely. While Janet is not exactly happy about Derek's presence, she isn't tortured by him either. Derek operates on his own whims, independent of the Bad Place.
- Confirmed-ish. Michael's neighbourhood system is kept, replacing the points system, but instead of there being a bad place, the neighbourhood instead acts to improve the occupants, constantly cycling through in the hopes that they improve.
- Instead, they’ll redeem Shawn and he’ll concede.
- Confirmed-ish. They fail to redeem the humans, but Shawn is not redeemed. He does, however, concede after a bit of 'encouragement'.
- The neighbourhood would need to inherently torture the occupants in order to repeat the conditions of the first neighbourhood, and set up their growth.
- Basically confirmed in "Help Is Other People", when Chidi guesses they're in the Bad Place, and Michael and Eleanor, in a last ditch effort to get Brent to change, pretend he's right (acting exactly as Michael did when Eleanor figured it out at the end of Season 1)
- Unlikely. Trevor can still be flying around the void near the doors.
This, my friends, fits perfectly within the first stage of the Five Stages of Grief (usually when confronting death); Denial.
While Chidi seems to be helping her death with this denial For Happiness, it is likely that it will slowly dawn on her that she really is dead, the steps taken to process it being the other four stages (Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance).
- Disproved. Janet, while powerful, is hardly a god, since she still has superiors that she defers to, and limits to her powers. Similarly, Derek is not an anti-Janet, but becomes his own entity, bound to Mindy's Medium Place, independent of the Janet system.
- Matt has incentive to have the experiment to be successful so that he won't have to continue the job that literally makes him want to commit suicide. Therefore, it's likely that he's been giving the test subjects more points than they deserve so that he can do this job for eternity instead. The Soul Squad will discover this and have to decide whether to confess to the Judge that, if the scores had been calculated correctly, the experiment would have been a failure—and thus condemn humanity forever to the Bad Place.
- Disproved. The experiment is ultimately a failure, and no tampering has been shown to take place.
- Gen has already affirmed that Eleanor can change, now she wants to see if that's changed for the rest of the Soul Squad.
- Disproved. The denizens of the Bad Place instead become part of the new system, helping design and act in neighbourhoods like they did originally. There is no neighbourhood system for demons.
- The Soul Squad are the only people proven to cause change in humans, they'll have to repeat the process for everyone who's ever died.
- Confirmed! (Well done.) With the change in the afterlife system, the neighbourhood system becomes the default judgement system for everyone who has ever died, and is repeated for everyone.
- Disproved. The erase-the-Earth button is in Bad Janet's void instead. (Since Derek is not a Janet, does he even have a void?) Gen sealed the doors, and as a result, the Janets were not able to pass the remote outside of the room.
- The puppy could also be a construct, like the dog in Michael's neighbourhood, as animals may have their own Places.
- The Doorman's affection for Frogs is also a connection to Dead Like Me; Frog was given a jar, the jar contained Death in it. Though Frog did a good job watching over the jar and kept it safe, Toad came by and accidentally broke the jar by being careless with it, releasing death upon the world. mighty odd coincidence that The Doorman likes frogs so much.
- Some angels love the bureaucratic minutiae and following the rules— Lawful Good to an extreme.
- Confirmed. The agents of the good place will not break rules if they can help it.
- Some angels are just as bad as demons when it comes to lording it over humans— like Smug Straight Edge, they get an active kick out of knowing sinners are suffering. After all, heaven and hell are only two sides of one philosophical coin.
- Some angels are genuinely well-meaning, but their love for the universe knows no bounds—literally. They can take so much joy in the beauties of the cosmos that they can spend whole millennia watching nebulae explode. They love God's creatures so dearly, they couldn't pick between two ants fighting— let alone two humans squabbling. (Chidi will empathize with these angels a lot.)
- And none of these angels (or else a select few) can imagine what it is to be human, with sadness, bad decisions, anger, aches and pains, you name it, so angels have a hard time imagining why anyone would sin.
- Confirmed, in a roundabout way. One of the problems that the Good Place Committee had was that they did not understand why people in The Good Place were unhappy (there was no end to paradise), and kept trying changes and solutions that ultimately failed. It's implied that this was partly due to their not being human, and not being able to understand why eternity of good things was itself not a good thing.
- "Janet(s)" reveals that nobody has gotten into the real Good Place for 521 years. From the perspective of 2018, that puts the last person to get into the Good Place to have died in 1497. Now recall that Janet made an offhand comment in Season 1 about Christopher Columbus being in the Bad Place due to having instigated genocide in the Americas. While Columbus famously came to the Western Hemisphere in 1492, he was very much still exploring (and committing atrocities) five years later. It's not impossible that Janet's comment could be Chekhov's Gag and the Accountants felt that the start of transatlantic conquest and colonialism was the downfall of all humans' destinies.
- Possibly confirmed to some degree as part of the reason no one has gotten in is that the world is so intricately connected that many actions have bad consequences. Connecting the West and Eastern hemispheres was certainly a huge paradigm shift for humanity.
- He probably is not a part of the Furry Fandom or anything. But he does cite and his first kiss being with "The sexy mouse robot in the Chuck E. Cheese band" and that Tahani is "so pretty, like Nala from The Lion King."
- Disco Janet was created during The Good Place's "Disco Phase". There's probably a bunch of disco-themed Good Places that they are in charge of.
- Eleanor simply wants to find a way to belong there, i.e. she wants a home. She is Dorothy.
- Jason is the Scarecrow: he is extremely dumb, but capable of insight at times, so he needs a brain.
- Tahani is the Tin Man: for all her great works, she was not truly doing any of it to benefit others, and needs to become more selfless: she needs a heart.
- Chidi is easy: he requires courage. He is the Cowardly Lion.
- Michael is the Wizard: secretly a fraud all along (but maybe not as terrible a person deep down as his deception makes it seem).
- Janet is Glinda: She appears whenever she is needed to provide the characters with assistance.
- It seems oddly technological (the Janets, The viewscreens everywhere), some of the creatures (especially Michael) seem more like Eldritch Abominations than anything else (he casually mentions he can see in 9 dimensions, and eventually says his true form is a 6000 foot tall fire squid), The "Jeremy Bearimy" thing is basically saying afterlife time is incomprehensible to human minds, and the entire points system seems like it was designed by creatures who barely understand human conceptions of morality, which would also explain why it stopped working.
- Just because it's technological doesn't mean it isn't the afterlife. Although beings that don't understand humans is, well, understandable. The entire basis of the show is basically "a poorly coded heaven".
- Although they are not aliens, exactly, Janet herself was created by "The Makers of Light and Darkness", with it being implied that they created the universe, the afterlife, and all of its bits and pieces. They are likely higher up in the Celestial Bureaucracy, high up enough that they are not factored in the show itself, and may not be so concerned with those day-to-day runnings.
- We only see what happens to one character (Eleanor, who turns into a bunch of spirit mote things, which can somehow positively influence people). Maybe it's different for each person, based on what they want (some just cease to exist, others reincarnate, others might become some fictional character they liked in life in a Parallel Universe, others might have some fate that's not even imaginable to humans in their current state, but still presumably a good thing.)
- Disproved. The new neighbourhood test system is tailored around individual people, rather than groups like Michael's neighbourhood.