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Eyjafjallajökull
topic
06:56:07 AM Feb 26th 2014
edited by 129.79.70.161
I know I'm probably going to get flamed, but I have to ask, out of genuine curiosity:

What do people see in this show?

Larkmarn
07:07:09 AM Feb 26th 2014
I've often wondered that myself. Have you watched it at all? I haven't, so I wonder if it's just one of those "you have to see it to understand" things.
SeptimusHeap
moderator
08:27:51 AM Feb 26th 2014
Well, a show they like? 'Tis a honest answer; I don't think it's any different from all other works with audiences.
Azaram
01:23:42 PM Mar 10th 2014
A good place to start; Watch the video 'Smile Smile Smile' (NOT 'Smile HD', for the love of Celestia) to get a good idea of Pinkie Pie's normal personality... then watch the episode 'Party of One'. (Both available on Youtube).
dholland662
topic
03:51:01 PM Feb 18th 2014
I noticed that under character development Applejack, fluttershy, Twilight and Dash are listed as having developed and changed.

I take issue with this for several reasons and I want to see what you guys think. For one, Twilight did become less socially awkward but that happened instantaneously when she became group leader after the pilot.

Dash is also developed however the reasons givem (became more concerned and caring for her friends)are also true of Rarity (who has grown closer with her sister, Spike, Fluttershy and AJ) and yet she is not considered developed despite those changes being listed.

And I disagree that Aj and Shy are developed for simply showing their characteristic traits less since many of their episodes after said development took place still used those traits as their motivation and expression of the conflict. Redacting character development to reuse conflicts is something this show does a lot so I would argue it has to be shown to stick before it can be called character development.

With that in mind, if showing character traits less is character development, then wouldn't Rarity be the most developed? I say this because nearly every single episode of hers has her motivated by a different emotion and expressing her character differently and learning a different lesson. So, by doing this, the writers are implying that her lessons actually stick. And, imo, to say otherwise would be to say that characters who often repeat the same conflicts but do it less often (like AJ, Fluttershy and even Dash) are more developed than a character who almost never repeats conflicts. This strikes me as rather backward.
RosemarytheSkunk
topic
06:14:12 AM Jun 10th 2013
Can someone please explain to me why every single episode has its own separate trope page? I haven't seen a single other work's page that has that. I know the show is popular but I think that's going a bit overboard, don't you think?
Peteman
06:19:25 AM Jun 10th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.42
If you're talking about the Recap Page, that's not uncommon.

Take Transformers Prime. The only episodes without summaries are the ones that haven't come out yet. MLP is a popular franchise that is coming out while TV Tropes existed. I'm sure if it existed back when Star Trek and Doctor Who first came out, we'd have every episode of them being logged as well.

Moreover, the recapping of every episode was a later development.
Mzark
09:42:50 AM Oct 9th 2013
I agree with Rosemary. There's Popular and then there's Overboard.

This show, while good, is not the pinnacle of animation it does not deserve this much adoration and special treatment.
DrakeClawfang
10:00:24 AM Oct 9th 2013
As I've recently been told, there are no standard for notability. If a show doesn't have episode recaps, then someone who can be bothered should make them. This show has such people and so it has recaps. Otherwise I don't see what the point of this topic is except to note that the show has fans.
TheOtherSteve
10:01:34 AM Oct 9th 2013
I agree that the show suffers from not being able to live up to its own hype, but that's ultimately an opinion. And last I checked, there's a still a "no such thing as notability" rule on this site.

DrakeClawfang
10:06:58 AM Oct 9th 2013
Also, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is an ongoing series that may not even survive its first season and only has three episodes. People are writing recaps. Again, it's not a matter of a show deserving recaps, it's a matter of people be bothered to make them.
SummerKtreva
03:25:24 PM Dec 28th 2013
edited by 108.202.190.238
1) No such thing as notability. A show doesn't have to be unusually special to get recap pages, it just has to have a fan or group of fans sufficiently dedicated to write it. 2) I agree that it would be overboard if this were the only page with recaps, it is not. While it is one of the most detailed and complete, it is far from unique. See Recap for more examples of works with recap pages
DrWhooves
04:46:24 PM Jan 19th 2014
Mystery Science Theater 3000 has it's own recap page. Not everything is recapped, but it does.
ChaoticBrain
topic
08:49:22 AM Apr 14th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.42
"As of April 2, TV Tokyo will begin airing the official Japanese dub of this show."

Should now be

"As of April 2, TV Tokyo began airing the official Japanese dub of this show."
Telcontar
moderator
10:40:42 AM Apr 14th 2013
Edit requests go here. I've posted this one (combined with the one below) for you.
XrosFire
topic
07:35:33 AM Mar 30th 2013
'As of April 2, TV Tokyo will begin airing the official Japanese dub of this show.' Do we really need the little bit about the Japanese dub? I mean really, it's just another dub. If we need that line of text, why not have one for every other dub? "b-but my kawaii Japanese is most anticipated desu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~" And? I'm sorry but this is just stupid. Can we remove this? It's really not needed and it just seems like the anime fans are trying to claim the page as their own.
DeathCloud
04:58:40 PM Apr 2nd 2013
Yeah, this is unnecessary.
Telcontar
moderator
01:01:25 AM Apr 15th 2013
It's been removed.
Anbalsilfer
topic
12:20:05 PM Feb 23rd 2013
edited by Anbalsilfer
Earlier today I added the following trope to the listings:
  • Grey and Gray Morality: Almost all of the moral confrontations in the series fit this template. The good guys always have some negative qualities that often get lampshaded (often by causing the plot build-up event chain in an episode) and the bad guys almost always possess some redeeming qualities, and even when they don't, they're little more than nuisances in the grand scheme of things. The members of the alicorn royalty and King Sombra deviate somewhat from this rule - the members of the former group seem to almost be Purity Personified whereas King Sombra is the only evil character the show has presented without a single discernible redeemable quality while still being a serious threat.

This was removed by The Other Steve with the following motivation: "Sorry, not seeing it. The bad guys are pretty clear-cut evil (though usually not to Complete Monster levels) and simply having one or two bad qualities doesn't qualify you for being a morally grey hero. You have to go a bit further for that."

So, I was wondering what others think. From my point of view it seems that the grey morality is not only a feature but even a central theme of the show. Good characters possess bad qualities (and often quite serious ones at that, usually facilitated by Mr. Vice Guy) and we are almost in every instance encouraged to sympathize with the villains (who usually are converted and forgiven in the end).

How should the show be categorized? Grey and Gray Morality? Black and White Morality? Morality Kitchen Sink?

Edit: re-added as Morality Kitchen Sink with elaboration on the exceptions.
shoboni
05:47:59 PM Mar 19th 2013
Yeah, the show is more White And Grey, if that's even a thing. The heroes really have no grey morality.
Thecommander236
topic
01:43:33 PM Jan 29th 2013
Why am I not surprised this page is locked?
MsCC93
09:28:02 PM Feb 9th 2013
Hmm all the vandalisms...it's no wonder it's locked
PurpleAlert
topic
12:17:57 PM Jan 24th 2013
I know I'm late to the party here, but is anybody else really not comfortable with Winter-Wrap Up's lesson of the day? I know it's supposed to be about finding a way to apply your own abilities to a group effort and all, but it seemed way, way too contrived that Ponyville waited until the last minute to start on the clean-up process.

Basically Twilight spends the whole episode failing at doing real work and cheating to try to fit in, and as a result... they put her in charge.

That would fit in really well with the lesson they're shooting for because everyone else is competent but disorganized, except Twilight has no idea how the work is properly done, or the problems associated with doing it, so she has no way to form reasonable expectations of the people she's organizing. She has no reason to be any better a manager than she is a laborer except for being obsessed with order. I came away from that thinking "Okay, so she sucks at doing real work... so they give her a promotion?"
SummerKtreva
01:36:45 PM Jan 18th 2014
1) She doesn't have to be able to do it to know what needs done. 2) Ponyville in general seems to suck with organization/management things. As far as I can tell, Mayor Mare is the entirety of the government. 3) The impression I got was that Twilight, due to bouncing around trying to help, was the only one who knew all the processes that had to happen, and what circumstances needed to be met for those processes to happen. The rest of the town couldn't see the forest for the trees. 4) Just because organizing isn't physical doesn't mean it's not "real work". Twilight had a mindset and skillset that was badly needed here. 5) She's been hearing about the problems associated with each job as she looks for something to help with. That's what's going on in the bulk of the episode, she talks with each task group, finds out what they're doing, and attempts but does poorly at it. 6) Twilight's obsession with order is a very good reason that she'd be a good manager. She keeps track of what needs done and when it needs done by already in her own life. All she needs to add now is to keep track of who's in charge of a given task, which isn't that much.
dogman15
topic
01:46:28 AM Jan 19th 2013
The Bronies documentary - I created a page for it: Bronies: The Extremely Unexpected Adult Fans of My Little Pony But I need some help getting it off the ground.
Meneth
topic
08:31:49 PM Jan 3rd 2013
edited by Meneth
Edit request: change "daily reports" to "weekly reports", as per Lesson Zero.
GoldenSandslash
topic
08:18:57 PM Oct 25th 2012
Given that the page is locked, I'm making the request here.

Can we put "Not to be confused with the comics of the same name"?
Whatshisgame
10:40:30 PM Oct 31st 2012
I think this forum thread is the place for locked page edit requests.
dogman15
topic
07:54:06 PM Oct 9th 2012
I'm sorry if this is already being discussed elsewhere, but we should really have a trope entry for the upcoming comic series. You know, the official one by Andy Price and Katie Cook? What would the page title be? Can someone show me an existing comic book series entry on TV Tropes as an example?
Whatshisgame
10:39:37 PM Oct 31st 2012
ModernTroperia
topic
05:28:06 PM Sep 26th 2012
edited by ModernTroperia
-I'm new, so forgive me if this is the wrong place-

I don't think "Lauren Faust will continue to work as a consulting director" on the front page should be in the future tense now that Season 2 is over. (I also think there should be a paragraph break before the sentence, but that's not important.)
brb1006
topic
08:24:02 PM Aug 19th 2012
Does anyone remember the new background pony named "Junebug"? She is a very underrated character. Why doesn't the fandom pay attention to her? BTW, Junebug is a pony from "Secret of my Excess".
YuriAngel
topic
06:20:28 PM Jul 16th 2012
edited by YuriAngel
Uhm, I new to troper-ing, so I was wondering...

I know someone on Fan Fiction.Net, and they made a good point about the season two finale. It basically threw everything the entire series is built on (Trusting your friends, listening to them, not ignoring them), just for a silly plot. I think this may go under Broken Aesop, but even if it does, where would I put this, under its main page subpage or YMMV?
harryhenry
04:55:28 AM Jan 1st 2013
Put it under YMMV.
WaxingName
topic
12:00:07 PM May 31st 2012
Can someone namespace the links that need Namespacing like Lauren Faust and The Powerpuff Girls?
IMpish
topic
09:02:37 PM May 16th 2012
So why is there not yet an Awesome Music page, or even just a plain 'ol Music page? There is enough material at this point to warrant one, I think.

In addition, I gotta say that by this point the fans deserve a Fan Music page. Even beyond the metric ton of remixes of songs from the show(many of which are very good, sometimes even better than the original), there are plenty of original works that deserve mention.
Alega5
12:44:45 PM May 17th 2012
There is. You click on the awesome page and they have a link to the music version.
troacctid
04:08:52 PM May 17th 2012
Awesome Music doesn't have an icon on the top bar. You can access it from the sidebar, or from the dropdown menu at the top of the page.
ShiningArmor87
topic
05:31:10 PM May 15th 2012
I know the page is locked now, but the page should mention this show is also the trope namer for Party Of One.
XTUX345
topic
06:50:01 AM May 5th 2012
Allright, so I uploaded a new, higher quality image for the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic page. You can find the image at
XTUX345
06:50:56 AM May 5th 2012
Wait, looks like I accidentally embedded the image. Ah well, hope this helps you guys!
Telcontar
moderator
06:56:22 AM May 5th 2012
To make it just a link, enclose the URL in [[ ]]. Changing images on work pages is fine unless there's a special note, and quality swaps are free, so thank-you!
XTUX345
07:02:20 AM May 5th 2012
You're very welcome. I can't seem to edit the page (it's locked for me), so I just uploaded the image on here.

Also, in case you're curious this is the source of the image: [1]. And for the record, that feller isn't me.
Telcontar
moderator
07:25:14 AM May 5th 2012
Oh yeah, I forgot this thing was locked. Go here to request the swap, since only mods can edit it.
PDL
topic
08:50:54 PM Apr 18th 2012
Okay, I think TV Tropes is relying too much on Ponibooru as an image cache. It has a terrible reputation as a website since it's full of NSFW images.

I suggest using Bronibooru. It has no NSFW images, pics of extreme violence towards characters (so no Scootabuse) or otherwise terrible pics (no image macros either).
Alega5
03:44:21 PM Apr 24th 2012
It is better organize. But arent the NSFW pics are censored in Ponibooru unless you click the pic?
PDL
01:02:41 PM Jun 17th 2012
And now Ponibooru has been shut down completely. I'm glad for this, but I know others won't be... Are the links being fixed or what?
Vir
topic
08:05:10 PM Apr 8th 2012
edited by Vir
Who the bloody hell got rid of the show's entire Nightmare Fuel page?
TheEmptyOne
01:10:09 AM Apr 10th 2012
And on an additional note, did the genius notice that in doing so they also cut off access to the Accidental and High Octane pages for fanworks? Seriously, what just happened and whose idea was it?
RanYakumo
01:16:17 AM Apr 10th 2012
edited by RanYakumo
Probably just a victim of the recent cleanup. It is annoying that the fanwork section was removed as well however, since some of it is actually High Octane Nightmare Fuel.

Honestly, the fandom here went far overboard with the Nightmare Fuel section, doing crazy stunts like giving Lesson Zero its own page and trying to pass off Adult Fear as actual Nightmare Fuel. I appreciate the work the fandom here has done on the TV Tropes pages, but we should be striving to accurately document the show's tropes instead of trying to set new milestones like trying to make the show seems like the second coming of Edgar Allen Poe or trying to make entirely new tropes and saying the show inspired/is the Trope Namer (partially or otherwise).
TheEmptyOne
01:19:02 AM Apr 10th 2012
edited by TheEmptyOne
I think the cleanup just went overboard right back. Someone please undo this so we can trim down the page by normal means.

Oh, and the High Octane page for fanworks is still there, there's just no link to it anywhere. The Accidental one is deleted, though.
RanYakumo
01:37:57 AM Apr 10th 2012
Really? Could you link me to it?

Also, it seems High Octane Nightmare Fuel is going through a revamp in general, since the index is no longer available on either its page of Accidental Nightmare Fuel's page.
TheEmptyOne
01:44:35 AM Apr 10th 2012
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HighOctaneNightmareFuel/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicNonCanon Sorry for the long URL, I don't edit here often.

Accidental Nightmare Fuel seems to be having all its examples- even in YMMV- deleted, which if you ask me is no better than deleting the trope itself. High Octane has lost its index on the main page, but all the sub-pages and examples are still there.
WarriorSparrow
08:34:11 PM Apr 13th 2012
TV Tropes just got 20% less cool.
ThMole
04:49:07 PM Apr 15th 2012
Can't say much about the nightmare fuel page, but if you want to find the list of fan works, it is linked to from the bottom of the Analysis page at My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic.
Jarkes
07:29:31 AM Apr 16th 2012
Yeah, a lot of Nightmare Fuel pages seem to have been deleted lately... from the page for this, the non-canon pages, the Nightmare Fuel page for Kirby, the Nightmare Fuel page for Power Rangers... what's going on?
Alega5
03:42:41 PM Apr 24th 2012
Too bad it got deleted. The Changelings would of made a nice addition.
Mzark
09:41:58 AM Oct 9th 2013
Maybe it has something to do with that fact that Nightmare Fuel for some of these people is laughable. I mean seriously, you were petrified by the Cockatrice?
WaxingName
topic
01:47:46 PM Mar 29th 2012
Can we please note in the Format and Genre box that the show technically isn't a SatAM cartoon anymore because new episodes are shown at 1:00 PM?
SilentColossus
topic
01:05:23 PM Mar 26th 2012
edited by SilentColossus
Since the page is locked...

Wasn't Craig McCracken (Faust's husband) the creator of Powerpuff Girls and Foster's? Faust may have worked on them a few times, but the main page acts as if she was the creator of the shows, referring to her as the writer and director instead of a writer and director, as Western Animation often has more than one if I'm not mistaken.
watermark0n
02:53:31 PM Oct 14th 2012
edited by watermark0n
Well, Wikipedia says "She has been a story artist since Season 3 of The Powerpuff Girls and was head writer on Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends." That's a more accurate picture of her involvement and either. One of the explanations given most often for why MLP: Fi M has had so much crossover appeal is to attribute it to Lauren Faust's involvement in the Powerpuff Girls, which had crossover appeal as well, and I think that this has lead to a tendency to exaggerate that involvement, with "she helped out on these series" being blown up into "she was the main creative force behind them!"

This is apparently a bit of a problem for her, as her faq has a section devoted to it: "Q: Did you create the Powerpuff Girls and/or Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends? No. My husband, Craig Mc Cracken did." Anyway, I think the page should be edited to basically use wikipedias wording, rather than the current "she was the writer and director...", and perhaps mention the actual creator as well.
SpiderFan14
topic
06:46:30 AM Mar 1st 2012
Happy Derpy Day!
ThMole
02:04:28 AM Mar 19th 2012
Have a Wonderful Winter Wrap-Up!
Autotrooper42
topic
03:47:21 PM Feb 8th 2012
Is there a mention of the insane brony fans who even masturbate and fantasize about the ponies?
sniperfish
04:02:45 PM Feb 8th 2012
HeinousActsZX
topic
11:39:46 AM Jan 21st 2012
Should Derpy be moved to Minor Characters, seeing as she spoke and was recognized?
ShadowHog
topic
04:02:49 PM Jan 4th 2012
Shouldn't we have a link to My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (Non-Canon) on the main page? I mean, I'd just up and add it, but, well, y'know, it's locked and all.
ThMole
12:31:22 AM Jan 11th 2012
edited by ThMole
I would suggest the sandbox, but even that is locked down!

How about this: let's link to it from the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic Analysis page.

I'm making this suggestion based on how Dr. Who has both an Doctor Who Analysis page, and a Doctor Who Expanded Universe page that is listed from it which covers additional material about the show.
ShadowHog
08:21:57 AM Jan 13th 2012
Not a bad idea. I'll look into squeezing it in there, for the time being.
HeinousActsZX
11:36:17 AM Jan 21st 2012
edited by HeinousActsZX
replied to wrong thing
ThMole
09:53:07 PM Jan 21st 2012
Okay, I added it to the bottom of the analysis page. If anyone disagrees, then just edit it or take it off. Fair enough, everyone?
Forecharmer
topic
09:49:22 AM Dec 23rd 2011
I think that Green Rooming may describe Zecora or Tank, but Im not quite sure. What does everypony else think?
ThMole
11:59:24 PM Dec 23rd 2011
Not only Zecora, but also a number of other characters, as well. Not so sure about Tank, although we should presume we will see him again.
Tiroth
topic
11:51:57 AM Dec 21st 2011
Figure I should probably say this here as well - I dropped Creation Myth from the tropes list because, so far, Friendship is Magic doesn't have one (the example given was the Nightmare Moon story, and that has nothing to do with creation). I put in an entry for Mythopoeia instead, as the show seems to be slowly collecting myths and history as it goes.

I left the text I cut on the discussion page for A-G in case we need to put it back later or something.
mlpThrowawaytv
topic
12:47:08 PM Dec 17th 2011
edited by mlpThrowawaytv
Does TV Tropes have any content control? None of the claims are verifiable, obviously, since there aren't any citations or footnotes, and anyone can make stuff up and the gullible saps will eat it up. The Friendship is Magic fandom is now swirling with nonsense that has no basis in reality because "TV Tropes says so".
ThMole
10:48:05 PM Dec 17th 2011
edited by ThMole
Just the Wisdom of Crowds and Wiki Magic.

The thing to consider is where in TV Tropes the information comes from. Although the actual articles are for cataloging and describing the observed tropes used in the show, there are other pages (like YMMV and WMG) that aren't supposed to be anything other than speculation and chatter.

The next time someone comes up with something you think is nonsense, just go to the main tropes pages:
mlpThrowawaytv
12:38:21 AM Dec 18th 2011
So there's no content control. Someone can claim "amniomorphic" means "bowl-making" and you'd all just swallow it up.
mlpThrowawaytv
12:38:48 AM Dec 18th 2011
And of course, that's one example out of dozens of "references" that don't exist.
ThMole
03:08:33 AM Dec 18th 2011
Here's a thought: you have an account.

You also know what and where the errors are.

Instead of complaining, why not lend a hand, and fix them?

Editing isn't much harder than writing on the discussion board, and will actually take care of the incorrect information.

No one will thank you, but at least the garbage will be swept out.

Your call.
RosemarytheSkunk
06:07:06 AM Jun 10th 2013
Considering the page is locked, they can't fix these issues
Telcontar
moderator
06:08:41 AM Jun 10th 2013
Tropers may request edits to locked pages in this thread.

The page was also not locked at that time — you're replying to a very old topic.
Jcatgrl
topic
11:29:27 AM Dec 12th 2011
What happened to the Ho Yay and Les Yay entries? Were they removed or just moved somewhere else?
XenotheHedgehog
topic
04:47:06 PM Dec 5th 2011
Does anyone else think it odd that, of the main characters and the CMC, all of the characters whose families haven't yet been seen are pegasi?
PurpleAlert
12:01:16 PM Jan 24th 2013
I don't think Pegasi actually have families. They seem to have the closest thing Equestria has to a military tradition; I always figured that Pegasi are raised communally and in a fairly Spartan fashion. After all, nobody seems to have even tried to come to Fluttershy's aid after she fell to the ground (and landed on a cloud of butterflies), or tried to convince her to come back to Cloudsdale afterward.
Korbl
topic
01:13:58 AM Nov 29th 2011
Extremely tangential, but I'm working on D&D deity writeups based on the mane cast, and found that I just can't write in Pinkie Pie's voice (in character description is the best way to get her fourth wall demolishing across). Anyone know they're good at writing in her voice and willing to do a translation once I do up the basic description?
PDL
08:09:59 PM Dec 18th 2011
Funny thing about that. Pinkie's so called "4th wall demolishing"... That's a trait that's greatly exaggerated by fans of the show. She doesn't actively do it as much as other characters do. Which isn't too much.

If you really want to write something in her character, just try going off on weird tangents, keep a cheerful attitude and generally make her talk the reader's ears off. That's what really makes up Pinkie's character.
allotroper
topic
05:00:15 PM Nov 26th 2011
Why does Season 3's section on the Recap page only have 13 episodes?
HeinousActsZX
07:39:37 PM Nov 26th 2011
Only thirteen have been announced.
SuddenFrost
topic
11:08:50 AM Nov 14th 2011
Now that we have the Subpages drop-down menu, it's OK to delete the Additional Pages section.
PrometheusUnbound
topic
03:44:18 AM Nov 14th 2011
Every single page on this website has something to do with My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. If I see one more reference to it, I'm actually going to throw my computer at a wall.
PrometheusUnbound
03:45:10 AM Nov 14th 2011
Found another one. Bye-bye computer.
ShadowHog
08:28:42 AM Nov 14th 2011
Not true. The Ugly Barnacle, for instance, has no such references.

Not that you're likely to see this, considering your computer is most likely broken at this point.
HeinousActsZX
05:41:39 PM Nov 14th 2011
edited by HeinousActsZX
Well, if you're lookin' to avoid My Little Pony, you've definitely come to the right place.
marston
12:10:31 PM Nov 20th 2011
Dude, I have to put up with this site's TGWTG obsession every time I go to tv tropes, but I just try to ignore that stuff everytime I see it. Now why can't you do that with mlp fim?
PrometheusUnbound
04:33:40 PM Nov 25th 2011
Fixed my computer. What on earth is TGWTG?
Calnos
02:16:01 PM Nov 26th 2011
PrometheusUnbound
08:11:27 AM Dec 7th 2011
Oh of course. Well, he is pretty funny.
RedVoltron
topic
12:12:58 PM Nov 13th 2011
and the Cutie Mark Crusaders get some negativity just like Pipsqueak. but the newest episode has all three fillies in a very positive and adorable light. screw the Crusaders' Vocal Minority.
brony99
topic
12:44:51 PM Nov 9th 2011
why do some people dislike Pipsqueak? I strongly disagree with the reasons for disliking the Cutie Mark Crusaders but at least I know what those reasons are.
PDL
09:10:09 PM Nov 9th 2011
edited by PDL
Some people just don't like Cousin Olivers. They probably just find him annoying and think he doesn't add anything meaningful to the episode. Personally, I think he's just tolerable, if forgettable.
brony99
11:19:22 AM Nov 10th 2011
edited by brony99
I don't see that as enough reason to consider a character The Scrappy, even if that's just the opinion of some. I feel the same way about the Crusaders. and what was annoying about Pip? I don't love him to the extreme like some do but I do really like him.
HeinousActsZX
10:06:18 AM Nov 11th 2011
edited by HeinousActsZX
I think people were miffed that he debuted in Luna's episode, supposedly stealing her spotlight. Personally, I don't think we can consider him to be a Scrappy or a Cousin Oliver. We haven't seen enough of him to determine that yet. I really like him.
brony99
topic
11:10:51 AM Nov 6th 2011
the Episode Guide says the un-aired episodes are just rumors at this point but I checked my TV guide and it has the synopsis of "the Cutie Pox" for next Saturday. can my DVR schedule be trusted?
ThMole
03:11:15 AM Nov 7th 2011
Schedules are always subject to change, but yes, that is as solid as it gets short of actually seeing the episode air.
brony99
05:35:55 PM Nov 8th 2011
apparently, it's confirmed now, just like the last two episodes that started out as rumors. should I just assume that all the unaired episodes are coming at this point?
brony99
topic
04:18:36 PM Nov 3rd 2011
I love this show and Transformers Prime and don't see the need for the Fandom Rivalry. Friendship is Magic will get an award sooner of later. there's also the possibility that the Transformers franchise has done a better job of coming out of the Animation Age Ghetto then My Little Pony. and that would be more the fault of the academy than the other show.
Calnos
08:28:46 PM Nov 4th 2011
From what I can tell its more of a Friendly Rivalry, if such a thing can exist between Fandoms.
brony99
04:13:33 PM Nov 5th 2011
not sure, the rivalry is because of an Award Snub.
Korbl
01:19:53 AM Nov 29th 2011
I'm sure it won't be long before there are weird, illogical crossover toys...
Calnos
topic
06:25:17 PM Nov 2nd 2011
Just so everyone knows, I've started the Analysis page. Feel free to contribute to it at your leisure.
PDL
topic
04:41:05 PM Oct 31st 2011
edited by PDL
Okay, who's bright idea was it to add a High Octane Nightmare Fuel page?!

Whatever is listed there isn't even scary! It's My Little Pony for pete's sake! High Octane Nightmare Fuel is for the Intentionally scary. It is not, I repeat, NOT Nightmare Fuel but more!

This page does not need a redundant nightmare fuel page. This is a show about baby horse girl toys. The original page is enough.
ABNDT
03:09:35 PM Nov 2nd 2011
MLP had examples of HONF listed on the Western Animation subpage. I moved them to the show-specific subpage. As for how much HONF you're actually going to find...yeah, not much outside of fanwork.
Captainhook
topic
03:51:06 PM Oct 23rd 2011
Why is the main page still locked? It was just some idiot being a doofus. He's gone now! It's time to unlock the page and show the trolls that they can't push the real tropers around. If we just show some courage, we can beat this cyber-terrorism!
HeinousActsZX
01:23:01 PM Oct 24th 2011
Calm down. What needs to be edited on the main page anyway?
PDL
05:05:02 PM Oct 25th 2011
The infodump on the show's popularity on the front page mostly. It has no place on there.
movie007
09:21:10 PM Oct 28th 2011
This needs to be added to page, as well:

  • Light Feminine and Dark Feminine: Fluttershy (Light) is kind, caring, very much like a mother to the animals. Rarity (Dark) is vain and bratty, though not quite as much so as she seems.
Mrwens
topic
06:20:49 AM Oct 23rd 2011
edited by Mrwens
Guys, Im new here, and I was wondering if you could add my video to the "Nightmare Fuel" entry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZVWapNxe1M
Captainhook
topic
06:48:12 PM Oct 17th 2011
edited by Captainhook
The Pinkamena image on the show's Nightmare Fuel page should be changed to Twilight Psycho. Twilight Psycho is pretty dang scary. Pinkamena is not scary; it's actually kinda cute. I want to hug it.
Calnos
06:56:45 PM Oct 17th 2011
HeinousActsZX
04:40:30 PM Oct 18th 2011
edited by 216.99.32.43
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PDL
06:58:58 PM Oct 18th 2011
I say not because no matter how you cut it, it's still My Little Pony and still meant for children.

I really think that fans exaggerate how "scary" the show is. In the same way they exaggerate how sad/awesome/hilarious the show is.

A High Octane Nightmare Fuel page would be superfluous.
Captainhook
08:31:00 AM Oct 19th 2011
edited by Captainhook
Back to the original point, Twilight Psycho is a much better representative of Nightmare Fuel than the actually-kinda-cute Pinkamena. Anybody else think so?
emeriin
08:34:06 AM Oct 19th 2011
Just because you think she's cute, doesn't mean everyone else does.
Captainhook
12:09:41 PM Oct 22nd 2011
edited by Captainhook
But surely you agree that Twilight Psycho is scarier.
Captainhook
07:41:04 AM Oct 23rd 2011
The Cheshire Cat grin would be the best page image.
HiddenFacedMatt
02:26:01 AM Oct 26th 2011
Meh, I got around that with a fillies-laughing-in-hellish-background page image.
Garbeld
10:58:52 PM Nov 29th 2011
Well, I can't agree with her being scarier. Came off as "over-the-top cartoonish" to me. Whereas Pinkamena's twitches and expressions and, uhm, active delusions and disconnect from reality did a good job on the "she has really gone insane" thing, for me. Though I wouldn't call either one "scary", anyways...
HeinousActsZX
topic
04:28:55 PM Oct 9th 2011
Aw geez. Why are we lockin' the main page again? What happened this time?
Calnos
06:53:02 AM Oct 10th 2011
Vandal once again, but for now its only the main page.
HeinousActsZX
11:37:47 AM Oct 10th 2011
Oh. Well, that's better than last time.
Captainhook
06:44:59 PM Oct 17th 2011
It's been a week. I think it's safe to unlock it now.
PDL
topic
09:34:55 PM Oct 8th 2011
So I've noticed that there's a bit of an infodump about the show's popularity on the main page.

While it's useful and all, does it really need to be there? On the front page I mean. I think it would be better if it was on a different page and the front page was just about the show itself, and not a history lesson about it's impact on the media. I'm not saying it should be deleted completely.
emeriin
04:42:30 AM Oct 9th 2011
Maybe shove it on the analysis page?
PDL
06:13:58 AM Oct 9th 2011
The analysis page should be for essays. Although an essay on this show's impact on the media and why it's so dang popular would be great.
Calnos
07:00:56 AM Oct 10th 2011
I've been wondering what we should do with the analysis page...

Doctor Who uses their analysis page to dump a lot of stuff that was on the main page like explaining some of the concepts of the show (The TARDIS, sonic screwdriver, companions) as well as some of the pop-culture impact. Maybe we can use our analysis page in a similar manner?
PDL
06:45:12 PM Oct 10th 2011
edited by PDL
I don't see anything wrong with that. As long as it's clear and concise.
ThMole
01:47:47 AM Oct 21st 2011
edited by ThMole
Here's a plan.

1. We copy the article from the top of the main page (pretty much everything above the additional pages listing) onto the analysis page and start editing it in the Dr. Who style Cainos suggested, above.

2a. When the lock comes off the main page we can then reduce the original material to cover only what the analysis page doesn't.

2b. If the lock doesn't come off after the analysis page is brought up to speed, we edit the sandbox instead and let the mods simplify the main page.

Sounds simple, but is it too complex to carry through? It may be. Anyone else have an idea?
PDL
topic
03:39:36 PM Oct 5th 2011
edited by PDL
I received word that Ponibooru is allowing pornography of underaged characters to be uploaded to it.

Such content is, if I remember, against the rules. Not least because in certain countries such as the UK, merely having a link to such an image in your computer cache is enough to get you pegged as a sex offender, for life. Doesn't matter why—if it's there, you're fucked.

I demand that every link to the site be removed permanently from ALL THE PAGES. The MLP Fandom already has a shitty reputation, I don't want it sullied further.
marston
07:31:53 PM Oct 5th 2011
I agree with you, but don't the nsfw images tend to be labled as "qusitionable" so that you can't see the image unless you click on it? Don't get me wrong, I think your right, but woulden't that count as a warning?
Kayube
08:13:03 PM Oct 8th 2011
edited by Kayube
We should definitely get a consensus first before deleting links. I've checked the Ponibooru rules page and it disallows any images that are illegal in California (including "sexual depictions of underage humans".) If there are any similar laws against sexual images of underage ponies (or dragons, or griffons, etc.) anywhere within our viewership, then I'd say it would make some sense to remove the links. (though the fact that there is a warning might make things a bit safer.)
HeinousActsZX
11:42:19 AM Oct 10th 2011
If it's a link directly to the image, the questionable/explicit tag will be overridden and you will look at the exposed image. I agree that we should look through the Crowning Moment, Tear Jerker and Nightmare Fuel pages for such fanart.
HiddenFacedMatt
topic
02:55:59 PM Oct 4th 2011
In the characters pages, Spike should not be listed under "mane cast." The "mane" part refers to ponies, and Spike is a dragon.

He would be better placed in the Animal Companions page, as he is of a different species than the mane cast. Granted, he gets more screentime than the other Animal Companions, but that isn't a very meaningful aspect of categorization.
ThMole
02:45:41 AM Oct 5th 2011
Actually, in this case he does belong there.

The correct title of that cast page is actually the MAIN cast. The misspelling is a pun (for the mane of a horse, as you said).

He is generally considered to be a main cast member, and so he's there, even though the pun itself would not apply to him specifically.

So if you want to correct it, removing Spike isn't the answer, but removing the pun is. I don't advise actually trying it because someone will probably put it back without a second thought.
PDL
03:31:05 PM Oct 5th 2011
edited by PDL
Animal Companions? What the hell? Are you implying that Spike is merely a pet? Seriously? Never mind that he's able to talk and is on the same anthropomorphic level as the rest of the main characters...

You know, why don't we put ALL THE CHARACTERS IN ANIMAL COMPANIONS, SINCE THEY'RE YOU KNOW, ANIMALS?

In case you cannot figure it out, animal companions are for characters that are pets that are unable to speak. Spike is more like a little brother/son to Twilight then anything else.
HiddenFacedMatt
07:16:11 PM Oct 7th 2011
edited by HiddenFacedMatt
"Are you implying that Spike is merely a pet?" - PDL

Ee-yup.

Seriously, he is often treated as a pet, though, given his Butt Monkey status. (Remember ep. 24 when he was pretty much working like a dog setting up get-togethers for the mane cast just so he could get some attention from them?)

As for Spike being like a little brother or son to Twilight... that also raises the question of whether or not he belongs in "mane family members" instead of mane cast or animal companions.

In any case, I think I'll bring this up in the MLP:FIM thread in Western Animation, and see what they have to say.

EDITED IN: Here's a link to my post about this in the thread.
Calnos
07:38:27 PM Oct 8th 2011
Spike is a main character, he's always in group shots like on the main page, his voice actress is listed in the show's credits, and even has a Meet the Video.

If nothing else we have nowhere else to put him with how we've set the pages up. He's certainly not a Princess or a Cutie Mark Crusader. You could argue about putting him in Minor Characters, but again he's not minor as he shows up in most episodes, and someone would put him back on the main cast page anyways.

He's fine where he is.
Captainhook
topic
09:27:50 AM Sep 18th 2011
Now that Season Two is out, we should seriously consider unlocking this page. It was just one troll who's probably gotten bored and moved one to some other website. As for responsible tropers like us, we have editing to do. Please think about this.
tank
10:23:46 AM Sep 18th 2011
Yes,it would be nice if someone could unlock this page now.The troll is probely gone now to due getting bored, and there are quite a bit tropes that could be added to this page just from the one episode that came out recently.Just imagine if the page was still locked even after all of the season 2 episodes came out. the page would be nothing but old news.And this series dosen't attract as much negitive attention as you would think,so I don't see why this page should be locked forever like uwe boll or sonichu Just because of a troll.
FireYoshi
09:33:53 PM Sep 18th 2011
Yeah, it'd be nice to add tropes for season two. Ten seconds in and Discord's already breaking the trend of Anti Villains in the show... a lot of fans think he crossed the Moral Event Horizon with the Fluttershy sequence.
Duckling
02:24:14 AM Sep 19th 2011
I agree. We have tropes and characters to add.
marston
09:36:09 PM Sep 19th 2011
Well it would seem that this page is finally unlocked, and that people have already added examples involving what little of season 2 their is.About time.
BobbyG
02:19:55 AM Sep 20th 2011
edited by BobbyG
Yeah, sorry about that. The page was locked because it was attracting more vandalism than an anime convention attracts tropers.

For future reference, you can propose changes to a locked page here.
marston
07:47:40 PM Sep 20th 2011
it's cool dude, I already know why it was locked, I just starting to worry that it would never be unlocked because of how long it had been locked. No biggie.
LikaLaruku
topic
01:43:34 PM Sep 15th 2011
Does Fi M have any Big Lipped Alligator Moments or continuity errors? With my terrible memory, I'd have to rewatch the series twice more in one day to find them.
LikaLaruku
04:39:22 PM Sep 15th 2011
edited by LikaLaruku
  • Fluttershy's knowledge of fashion & sewing.
RichReeders
01:24:05 PM Sep 28th 2011
Pinkie's Pinkie Sense would count, wouldn't it? It's only ever seen in Feeling Pinkie Keen
ThMole
topic
04:50:39 PM Sep 11th 2011
Don't forget! Although the main page is still locked, the mods ARE paying attention to the sandbox!

Although which corrections they accept and how often they make them are still their choice, you DO still have a voice in how the article continues to evolve.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic
ThMole
12:40:55 AM Sep 21st 2011
And now it's unlocked!

Let's hope the parasprites stay away for awhile.
Otakukun
topic
12:03:45 AM Sep 9th 2011
I just submitted a trope to YKTTW, and we may soon be able to add Trope Namer to the list if Pinkie Sense makes it through
Midna
07:59:55 AM Sep 10th 2011
Probably won't stick due to its non-indicative name. (Honestly, Pinkie Sense could mean anything if you haven't watched the show.)
j03b0b0fd00m
08:59:59 PM Sep 17th 2011
To be fair, LOTS of things don't mean anything if you don't know what they're from.

"Chekhov's Gun," for instance. "Companion Cube," "Xanatos Gambit," "Eldritch anything," and "Kafka Komedy" come to mind as well.
guypierce
08:22:30 PM Sep 18th 2011
Except Pinkie Pie isn't exactly the the starter of this particular trope. I can remember Monty from Rescue Rangers having a similar plot, except his tail indicated the weather and stuff. I'm sure it didn't start there, either.
Otakukun
05:21:58 PM Sep 21st 2011
Well the name didnt stick but here's the trope Pinkie Pie inspired
SkyStrike
topic
03:28:02 PM Sep 7th 2011
Ok, so Celestia raises the sun in the morning and Luna raises the moon at night. But what keeps them going? Do Celestia and Luna give them such a large "push" that the inertia keeps them going? Or are they constantly exerting magic to keep the moon and sun moving?
Captainhook
01:45:27 PM Sep 11th 2011
Perhaps Equestria is flat.
SkyStrike
03:16:30 PM Sep 11th 2011
But that doesn't explain how the sun and moon keep moving.
ThMole
04:57:44 PM Sep 11th 2011
edited by ThMole
It's magic being performed on a children's animated program. They don't have to explain anything.
yappydog
03:55:30 AM Jan 9th 2012
I'd like to assume they're using Archimedes' old idea. Somewhere at the edge of Equestria, there's one really, really big lever...
Godzillawolf
topic
01:08:27 PM Sep 1st 2011
Shouldn't it be added to Nightmare Moon's Anti-Villain entry that Word of God says her transformation was also forced on her to some degree by some outside entity? That seems to make her even more of an Anti-Villain than before.
SomeNewGuy
topic
11:46:43 AM Aug 31st 2011
This isn't fair. Just because some troll is acting up doesn't mean we should all be punished.
Captainhook
01:43:53 PM Sep 11th 2011
Agreed. Positive edits are being blocked with the bad.
tank
07:35:13 PM Sep 13th 2011
I agree as well.Plus by locking the page,thus preventing fans from editing it, all because of ONE troll, arn't you feeding the troll as well?
Captainhook
09:30:02 AM Sep 18th 2011
This lock is probably beyond Mr. Troll's wildest dreams.
DCarrier
topic
07:51:30 PM Aug 30th 2011
Can I suggest a trope to be added? You Keep Using That Word: The fandom seems to believe "alicorn" means a pony with wings and a unicorn horn. It means unicorn horn.
Calnos
01:03:29 PM Sep 4th 2011
I think Jayson Thiessen has used the term as well I think. Does Word of God overrule actual meaning?
Namagem
04:00:23 AM Dec 18th 2011
Alicorn means both a unicorn horn and a Unicorn Pegasus, via diferent mythological texts. I don't have them on hand, but I'll do the research if you'd like.
Smilley
topic
12:56:02 PM Aug 24th 2011
edited by Smilley
I miss the Eye Scream entry for Twilight's "Cross my heart and hope to fly, put a cupcake in my *Ouch*!" in Green is not your Color.
Dragon_Ranger
01:48:51 PM Aug 24th 2011
Check the episode recap page.
Hoheh
topic
12:55:37 PM Aug 20th 2011
"The Ticket Master" has a Yakety Sax sequence. Can't edit, but there you go.
ThMole
09:58:02 PM Aug 20th 2011
You can still edit the sandbox, and the mods will then make the updates to the actual page (expect them to do it when they get around to it, and to pick and choose which edits they will make, however).

Also, keep in the mind that the trolls have tried to attack that, too.
Dragon_Ranger
01:48:30 PM Aug 24th 2011
That's already been mentioned in the episode recap page.
Midna
topic
08:14:54 PM Aug 17th 2011
edited by Midna
Will the articles ever be unlocked? Since I'm (perma?)banned from the forums, and the only way to edit a locked page (as far as I know) is indirectly by posting in a forum topic, I'm essentially forbidden from editing this page in the future, and I'm a brony, so...
Calnos
09:24:57 PM Aug 17th 2011
They're currently locked due to persistent vandalism. In the Trope Repair discussion its been mentioned the troll has been dodging bans and even vandalizing the sandbox version of the main page.

Someone does not feel the love & tolerance.

Anyways, I don't know what to tell you if you want to continue to contribute to the pony pages. The Ensemble Darkhorse, Episode Guide, and Crowning Moments sections are still unlocked if you'd like to add things to those.

Personally I think having the pages locked for now might be a good thing. Gives us time to think over how to keep this all organized and readable when Season 2 rolls around and we'll have actual new examples to put up here. We need to plan these things, before the flood gates open!
tank
03:36:44 PM Sep 2nd 2011
So when season 2 comes out this page will be unlocked?
Captainhook
01:42:24 PM Sep 11th 2011
I hope so. Keeping the page up to date will be a NIGHTMARE if it isn't!
RAMChYLD
topic
08:07:29 PM Aug 17th 2011
Since the page is locked and cannot be edited, I would like to request that the trope "That Reminds Me of a Song" be added to the main page. The show does have a fair amount of musical numbers in every other episode, no matter how short.
ThMole
topic
02:02:16 PM Aug 11th 2011
edited by ThMole
WHOOPSIE!

Do the folders look broken to you? They look that way to me, and I see one other person mentioned it.

We may have reached the limit of how big the main page can get.

If that's what happened — meaning this isn't just a coding error someone put in by mistake while editing — the solution is to split the page itself.

Examples of what I'm talking about include the Bleach page (which was discussed back when the folders were originally installed), and our own WMG page.

What do you guys think? Should we go ahead and split the page, or just keep looking for an error?
Calnos
02:13:54 PM Aug 11th 2011
I checked, the Folder tags are in place and no misspellings are there. Its just not splitting it into folders. I guess splitting it into more folders won't work...

I think one thing we can do is make sure we're not putting tropes in that aren't really there. I love this show, but surly not every trope on the net applies to it in some way or another.

Either way, we should think of ways of better organizing the pony pages in preparation for Season 2. We all know things are just gonna explode as soon as soon as the first teaser shows up.
Otakukun
topic
10:02:24 PM Aug 6th 2011
VVK
topic
11:01:28 AM Jul 31st 2011
edited by VVK
The Bechdel Test: This seems to be subject to some back-and-forth editing. Two points.

Firstly, there's this from the trope's page: "The test is often misunderstood. The requirements are just what they say they are — it doesn't make any difference if, for instance, the male characters the women talk about are their fathers, sons, brothers, platonic friends or mortal enemies rather than romantic partners."

Given this, there really seems to be no point in mentioning that the only time a male discussed by some females in a romantic context, or saying that what happens there is an instance of "playing with the trope", because that's no more relevant than if they were talking about a male in the context of buying ice cream from him or whatever. It's not a relevant only time. So let's not put that there.

Secondly, some recent edit reasons claim the Reverse Bechdel Test is completely missing the point (which is likely not the trope, by the way, as evidenced by how its name was changed to Comically Missing the Point). I think it makes sense to mention it somehow (even if not calling it that) because it is illustrative of how female-dominated the series is and thus of how and why it passes the test.
Twentington
topic
11:52:55 AM Jul 25th 2011
The title should have a capital I in Is. Every grammar book I've ever read says "is" is capitalized in titles.
CarnivorousMoogle
topic
09:14:19 AM Jul 23rd 2011
Edited the episode guide for Putting Your Hoof Down so that IMDb is not 'open to be edited by the pubic.'
Exarian
topic
11:49:27 PM Jul 20th 2011
Styx D: there's a version without the comic-con... though I agree, it could be a bit too busy for the main page. Though it would be perfect for the Characters page or the Ensenble Darkhorse page, seeing as how most of the picture consists of the show's Ensemble Darkhorses
Exarian
11:50:17 PM Jul 20th 2011
crap, how do I delete this.
DeathCloud
02:18:03 AM Jul 21st 2011
For Ensemble Darkpony we need iconic picture of Derpy from first episode.
DeathCloud
topic
02:39:13 PM Jul 20th 2011
edited by DeathCloud
This poster, or part of it could be perfect for page image.
Thebes
02:42:25 PM Jul 20th 2011
edited by Thebes
I think the page image should be an official image.

EDIT: nevermind, you fixed the link.
DeathCloud
02:46:15 PM Jul 20th 2011
I prefer other picture that the one with legless Twilight.
Exarian
02:54:48 PM Jul 20th 2011
edited by Exarian
Thebes: That IS an official image. And if it looks appealing scaled down, I think it would make for a much better representation of the cast.
StyxD
03:12:10 PM Jul 20th 2011
Well, I can still make everyone out after scaling down to current page image's size. But it's awfully cluttered and I don't know if I'd like it, if I didn't already know all the characters.

Also, do we want that "Comic Con 2011" in the middle?
Exarian
11:50:03 PM Jul 20th 2011
edited by Exarian
Styx D: there's a version without the comic-con... though I agree, it could be a bit too busy for the main page. Though it would be perfect for the Characters page or the Ensemble Darkhorse page, seeing as how most of the picture consists of the show's Ensemble Darkhorses
ThMole
11:50:14 PM Jul 20th 2011
edited by ThMole
I don't know about a page image, but it is a good representation of the more well-recognized characters (mane, support, & background).

Since we have an Image LInks page with only one image linked on it, I'm just going to just add this image there. If I'm doing it wrong, I'm sure someone will correct my error.

I was especially amused by the three characters reacting to the cockatrice in the crowd (on the lower right).

EDIT: Whoops! Somepony beat me to it! go and see for yourselves!
DeathCloud
02:23:58 AM Jul 21st 2011
I posted this picture there at same time I started this topic :D

I still would prefer this than current one.
ThMole
topic
03:43:44 PM Jul 19th 2011
Did some kind of weird edit get done to the page? Suddenly all of the edit history is gone except for the most recent ten or so.
Thebes
03:52:03 PM Jul 19th 2011
edited by Thebes
It moved from "Main/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic" to "WesternAnimation/.MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic."
StyxD
03:54:35 PM Jul 19th 2011
edited by StyxD
ninja'd
SuddenFrost
08:50:02 PM Jul 25th 2011
Has anybody else notice that moving the article to the Western Animation directory created a split in the count of Facebook Likes?
kd7sov
topic
02:12:32 PM Jul 11th 2011
In reference to the first line on Stock Sound Effect: I don't want to edit it into the main page without confirming, but I think Pinkie's flying machine uses the sounds of the gum-making machine from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, the one with Gene Wilder in it.
catstuxedo
topic
01:49:58 PM Jul 9th 2011
So apparently Scott Mc Neil voice one of the Diamond Dogs, but to date nobody's elaborating on which one. There's a small one, a medium one and a large one so it can't be that hard to tell which one it is to someone who is extremely familiar with Mc Neil's work. If anybody can confirm exactly which Diamond Dog Scott Mc Neil lent his voice to, that'd be much appreciated.
storyyeller
topic
04:06:24 PM Jul 8th 2011
Where did Freeze-Frame Bonus go? I don't see it on the main page or YMMV.
Grobi
04:42:45 PM Jul 8th 2011
I found it on one of the recap-pages. Freeze-Frame Bonus is always episode-specific, so I'm fine with that.
ThMole
09:52:43 PM Jul 9th 2011
I found it on the main page, in the A-M folder, between "Forgotten Phlebotinum" and "Furry Confusion".

I checked the main page's editing history, and it was never deleted (although, like everything else, it has been edited a few times). Maybe it was moved to correct alphabetical order?
boo01
topic
07:40:26 AM Jun 29th 2011
Would the show appeal to a 12 year old?
Benne
10:20:20 PM Jun 30th 2011
Yes.
boo01
09:36:53 AM Jul 1st 2011
Great
Benne
topic
11:19:23 PM Jun 14th 2011
So.....is it time to folderize this page yet? The Troper Critical Mass seems to have gotten even stronger during the season break.
yappydog
06:46:21 AM Jun 25th 2011
It breaks my heart to see a clean tropes page get all folderized, but... 20,835 words might be a little bit on the long side, I grant you. That's a fair-sized novella.

How do you think we should split it? A-M / N-Z, or something smaller?
Benne
10:07:15 PM Jun 25th 2011
A-M works for me. If there's no objections I'll make the folders when I get more time later.
yappydog
12:04:34 PM Jun 26th 2011
Query. Are you going to merely put folder tags in the document, or are you planning to do something more like Bleach and create REAL new subfolders out of subpages?
ThMole
04:34:42 PM Jun 27th 2011
edited by ThMole
Taking a quick look, it seems the reason Bleach has separate sub-pages for it's tropes is the high volume of material covered (each single sub-page is actually as long or longer that the main Friendship Is Magic page, itself). For now, just using folders should be enough, and if the folder contents get as massive as the Bleach example, then we can think about sub-pages.

That's my opinion.
Benne
10:08:39 PM Jun 30th 2011
^Correct. Unless the writers go batshit crazy with Loads and Loads of Characters in Season 2, folders will suffice for now to keep the page less intimidating.

I'll make the changes over tonight.
Benne
10:21:28 PM Jun 30th 2011
And it's done. I also moved the Abridged Series entries to the Trivia section. They're funny and I like them, but aren't in-universe and don't belong on the main page.
ThMole
04:40:00 AM Aug 11th 2011
SPECIAL NOTE!

Over on the WMG page something happened, so I'm noting it here in case it happens on the main page, too.

If a page gets full, it won't matter how many folders it has, because it will refuse to accept some edits.

If the main page starts acting up in this manner, THEN it will be time to split the page in a Bleach-like fashion. Until then, we can (if needed) just split folders that get too big into smaller folders.

PLEASE NOTICE: at the time I am writing this, there is nothing wrong with the main page, it is working just fine, and there is no need to split it. This is being noted for future reference only.

Thank you.
Jcatgrl
topic
01:43:34 PM Jun 12th 2011
Where would it be relevant to say that "'Derpy is angry/sad about people making fun of her wonky eyes' fanart is really popular"? (sorry about the unclear phrasing.)
StyxD
02:23:42 PM Jun 12th 2011
What trope do you think it is? Memetic Mutation is the only thing that comes to my mind, but I'm not sure
ThMole
12:24:59 AM Jun 19th 2011
edited by ThMole
I would just put it on the memes page, rather than the main page. There, it doesn't need to be classified, just noted.
Duckling
topic
11:22:11 PM May 24th 2011
edited by Captainhook
Just checking out the Trope Pantheon section and I was shocked to find that there are no Ponies there.

Pinkie Pie for Goddess of Parties, I reckon. Any other ideas?
DeathCloud
02:04:06 AM Jul 2nd 2011
Exarian
02:58:36 PM Jul 20th 2011
Derpy Hooves, Goddess of Periphery Demographics
StyxD
07:41:43 AM Jul 21st 2011
Wouldn't Derpy fit more as Goddess of Ascended Memes?
ThMole
topic
05:24:23 PM May 24th 2011
edited by ThMole
About the Ensemble Darkponies (Ensemble Darkhorse) page: I understand what it's for, but —

First, it doesn't fit the Index hierarchy (Ensemble Darkhorse/Western Animation is not an index page, and placing MLP:FIM in the folders on the Ensemble Darkhorse page itself doesn't add it to the index).

Second, there are entries for the Mane Cast, although the definition of an ensemble darkhorse is a side character making up part of the Ensemble, either a non-lead secondary character or a mere Flat Character, who can sometimes become unexpectedly popular with the fandom.

I don't want to delete the page, and I don't want to change the entires.

Is there a better index the Ensemble Darkponies page would fit in, or a better name?
DeathCloud
07:19:42 AM Jun 5th 2011
Agree, Mane Cast doesn't belong there. Maybe only Spike but not rest.
ThMole
04:52:45 AM Jun 7th 2011
edited by ThMole
Okay, I fixed what was bothering me.

Ensemble Darkhorse/Western Animation is now an index page, like Tear Jerker/Western Animation is, and My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic has been added there, and moved off of the Ensemble Darkhorse list of sub-pages, where it didn't fit wedged in under the link for Western Animation but before the folders.
Captainhook
topic
07:39:16 PM May 23rd 2011
Could we get a better page quote? The current one from Chris Sims is a little weird. It just makes the show sound silly.
storyyeller
02:26:48 PM May 24th 2011
How about something like, "Welcome to the herd"?
ThMole
05:02:35 PM May 24th 2011
edited by ThMole
"Welcome to the herd" works, but to give the idea its full meaning it would have to be quoted from two or three different places — that usually have nothing to do with MLP:FIM — instead of just one the does.
FallenLegend
11:30:22 PM May 24th 2011
There Is no Such Thing as Notability that quote works it has my vote
Pannic
11:38:03 PM May 24th 2011
How about

"WHY DO I LIKE THIS SHOW?" - Countless 20-something men.
emeriin
03:15:21 AM May 25th 2011
Can we not? Yes, we get it, this show is really popular with guys, can't you just quiet down and enjoy it?
BornIn1142
04:57:50 AM May 25th 2011
Using "WHY DO I LIKE THIS SHOW?" and citing some faceless mass of people would look totally pedestrian. "Welcome to the herd" is simple and elegant.

(Though it's not like the show isn't a little silly in the first place...)
DarkSasami
07:18:14 PM May 25th 2011
edited by DarkSasami
A made-up mass quote is not a good quote. Come up with something better or leave Chris Sims alone. Perhaps something from the show itself? This would have the added bonus of having to watch the episodes again to look for one.
UnwindingWeb
04:16:55 AM May 26th 2011
edited by UnwindingWeb
^ Seconded. A quote from the show would be best. Pick a quote, any quote from the CMOF page.
Captainhook
08:53:38 PM May 28th 2011
^^Agreed. An actual quote from the show is our best option.
TommyTree
11:08:19 AM May 30th 2011
edited by TommyTree
Just wanted to say that I think current quote(Lauren's) is awesome and fits perfectly.
DarkSasami
03:03:11 PM May 30th 2011
The quote has changed repeatedly today. Which one is awesome?

I really like the Lauren Faust quote that Eternal September keeps killing. Is there an actual forum discussion on this?
TommyTree
06:58:44 AM May 31st 2011
edited by TommyTree
I meant Lauren Faust's quote. Spike's seems weird without context imho - he's denying something, and it's not obvious that he is a Hypocrite, so I'd prefer Lauren's. Maybe we should have a crowner for this?
BornIn1142
11:29:54 AM Jun 3rd 2011
I also much prefer the Lauren Faust quote. The Spike quote is clearly incomplete without context and thus sounds bad.

I also don't remember the particular discussion on the forum thread that Eternal September claims sealed the deal on what to use...
ShadowHog
11:30:27 AM Jun 3rd 2011
I thought the Chris Sims quote was fine. However, Faust's quote is an acceptable replacement, and the reasoning behind opting for that is fairly sound. That being said, Spike's quote is a horrible choice due to lack of context and should not be put up there.

I also would like to suggest that any quotes we don't use get put in the Quotes page. It's sort of what it's there for - not just quotes FROM the media in question, but quotes ABOUT the media too.
TommyTree
02:44:56 PM Jun 3rd 2011
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=rp9u726d6kev3mymml5wtnxm&page=221 - here's that discussion that Eternal September is probably talking about (sorry that it is not a link, but I don't know how to make it). I didn't read all of it, but there are about two pages of the quote discussion. Besides, it's not clear which version people from forums supported, since both Spike's quote and Lauren's were suggested. Also, I think it's kind of unfair to pick quote on forum without putting link of work's page.
StyxD
04:59:50 PM Jun 3rd 2011
Agreed. You can call it consensus when it's in the discussion page or TRS, not some thread most of the editors wouldn't even know that exists. Anyway, I think Spike's quote is just weak. I kinda understand the intention behind it, but only because I know what Spike did before and after those words. It's certainly not very appealing to someone who does not know the show. And please, if it's decided that we keep it, remove the first sentence from the quote. It adds nothing and it's a direct reply to something not included in the quote — just plain confusing. I'd erase it myself right now, but at this moment the edits are too close to edit warring, and I'm not gonna touch that.
ShadowHog
05:23:48 PM Jun 3rd 2011
The thing I don't like about Spike's quote, aside from the lack of context, is that, when taken outside of the context of him being an audience surrogate and the quote being insanely hypocritical (after all, he was GIGGLING at the chance to go to the Gala immediately after), it sounds like he's badmouthing the show as a whole. I mean, seriously, if you weren't into the show already and just happened upon this page by chance, you'd see a very girly-looking cast in the page image to the right, and a quote badmouthing girly frou-frou stuff on the left. Is that really the sort of impression you want to give? I think not.
emeriin
01:57:59 PM Jun 4th 2011
The problem I have with his quote is that it makes it all about the male fans. As usual. Lauren's quote is a reminder that girly shows don't have to suck and this show leaves all the ones without effort in the dust.
storyyeller
topic
07:56:12 AM May 23rd 2011
By the way, does anyone know what word was swapped? I don't get it. "Even thought it rides high on the flank, Rainbow won't look like a tank."
Captainhook
07:36:49 PM May 23rd 2011
Blank?
UnwindingWeb
04:47:58 AM May 24th 2011
Skank.
storyyeller
08:55:35 AM May 24th 2011
When I watched it again, it looks like it wasn't even supposed to be a word swap at all.
UnwindingWeb
08:57:07 AM May 24th 2011
Exactly. People are just looking for things that aren't there.
BornIn1142
04:35:15 AM May 25th 2011
The word "tank" doesn't really make sense there. Not that the show doesn't have awkward rhymes, but I'm not convinced that the insinuation there wasn't intentional. A dress riding up too high could easily make someone look like a skank.

That still doesn't mean the word swap trope applies to it, of course.
storyyeller
07:42:22 AM Jun 3rd 2011
There are a number of nonsensical lines in that song. For example, "even if you have to fudge it, keep it within our budget" doesn't make a whole lot of sense when she's doing them all for free.
BornIn1142
01:07:12 AM Jun 5th 2011
But it DOES make a hell of a lot of sense when you consider that the song and episode are just as much about television executives interfering with the creative process than about Rarity's dresses.
punksweets
topic
11:43:14 AM May 22nd 2011
hey i just fond out how the main characters can represent the seven holy virtues

Charity - Raity

Chastity - Twilight sparkle

Diligence - Pinkie pie

Humility - Spike

Kindness - Fluttershy

Patience - Applekjack

Temperance - Rainbow Dash
storyyeller
09:40:48 PM May 22nd 2011
Is that supposed to be a joke?
punksweets
09:12:42 AM May 24th 2011
yes
Sydxelia
topic
09:10:14 AM May 22nd 2011
Does anyone know who provided the voice for Nightmare Moon? IMDb was no help.
KilgoreTrout
12:16:22 PM May 22nd 2011
Nope, and it didn't say who provided Zecora's voice either.
Sydxelia
10:00:03 PM May 22nd 2011
OK, according to the "Characters" page here, both Nightmare Moon and Princess Luna were voiced by Tabitha St Germain, who also provides the voice for Rarity. She's quite a versatile voice actress.
Sydxelia
11:29:23 AM Jun 8th 2011
Having just seen "Bridle Gossip" for the first time, I'm wondering if Tabitha provided the voice for Zecora, as well. Zecora and Nightmare Moon sound quite similar.
storyyeller
topic
06:52:16 AM May 12th 2011
Is the manticore actually an Androcles' Lion? I don't recall it ever helping them.
Zaka51
topic
08:30:22 PM May 10th 2011
I find it kinda odd that the fic Bitter Sweet is listed as a good fic under Fanfic Recommendations AND under So Bad, It's Horrible. Just a thought.
Captainhook
03:19:05 PM May 13th 2011
The same thing happened to Cupcakes for a while. Fanfic Recommendations and So Bad, It's Horrible are very YMMV. If there's a case for and against the fic, it should be under both.
yappydog
topic
01:24:21 AM May 9th 2011
Okay, so I appreciate that SNES went on a massive cleanup drive to put punctuation inside quotes, then deleted the image caption. Putting aside whether or not the grammar edit improves clarity, can we PLEASE reinstate the caption?

I don't want to start an edit war, but no reason for deletion was given.
yappydog
02:04:54 AM May 9th 2011
Thanks, FastEddie.
ArchTeryx
topic
05:55:39 AM May 8th 2011
Any thoughts on Lauren Faust (mostly) leaving the show? It sounds from her deviantART announcement that it's a combination of Executive Meddling and a wish to concentrate on other endeavors.
emeriin
08:49:28 AM May 8th 2011
We'll be fine. We bronies and fillies need to remember that it wasn't just Lauren who created such awesomeness, it was the writers, animators and voice actresses too - all of whom are staying.
Jayrad
07:28:38 PM May 8th 2011
Hopefully this won't lead to a case of They Changed It, Now It Sucks. Chances are that it won't, but expectations are certainly set high.
ray10k
05:43:34 AM May 14th 2011
add the fact that she is still listed as "Consulting Producer" for the second season, and I think there is little to fear, quality-wise
Whatshisgame
topic
11:49:48 PM May 7th 2011
edited by Whatshisgame
I've heard that the episodes from iTunes have (or at least used to have) a bit of Digital Destruction going on (washed out colors and/or sound issues). Anyone know more about that?
Captainhook
topic
02:40:13 PM May 7th 2011
The Accidental Nightmare Fuel page currently has a picture from Pinkie Pie's mad scene as its page photo. I think Fluttershy's psychotic break better captures the feel of Accidental Nightmare Fuel. Fluttershy's expression alone is terrifying. Furthermore, was Pinkie's nightmare fuel really "accidental"? Psycho Fluttershy fits much more smoothly. Pinkie Pie's deranged tea party is more along the lines of High Octane Nightmare Fuel (or Nightmare Retardant; YMMV). Lets make Fluttershy the Sociopath the new page photo for Accidental Nightmare Fuel. (I think it used to hold that honor.)
Captainhook
04:04:47 PM May 7th 2011
Somebody took my suggestion. It looks great.
yappydog
05:13:53 AM May 8th 2011
Somepony else replaced it again. This time with a bunny scarier than Angel.
randomfox
07:21:38 PM May 8th 2011
They probably replaced it cuz you need to start a discussion before changing images, and both of the suggested ones are JAFAAC... plus they sucked as examples.
ThMole
topic
01:55:37 PM May 3rd 2011
I'm thinking the Bloopers entry has become a long enough list to earn it's own page, like the Shout Out's did. Does anyone else agree?
SuddenFrost
01:44:02 AM May 4th 2011
I don't think there's a Bloopers hierarchy. (I could be wrong, though.) Perhaps the entry can be moved to Trivia?
ThMole
02:33:27 PM May 5th 2011
That might work. Does anyone else think it's a good idea to move it to Trivia?
Grithalmur
10:26:23 PM May 5th 2011
Sounds good to me, as most people probably won't notice a lot of them naturally (especially since some only last a single frame.)
Oleetar
topic
03:56:42 PM May 2nd 2011
Shouldn't we mention that Hasbro isn't actually taking videos down? It was only one channel, and everyone is fairly sure it was a troll now.
yappydog
05:55:24 AM May 4th 2011
Agree. We should really remove that line.
Captainhook
04:01:47 PM May 4th 2011
Definately
LordAaronus
07:15:59 AM Aug 19th 2011
It just happened again, at about the same time the vandals hit here.
Captainhook
topic
06:23:48 AM Apr 30th 2011
Why does eveyone on this website seem so spooked by Pinkie Pie's mad scene in "Party of One". I thought it was cute. I think Cupcakes is tainting everyone's perception of the episode.
92.5.19.151
04:21:29 PM Apr 30th 2011
The normally cheerful pony suddenly turning into a schizophrenic wreck is already pretty bad, but the fact that she doesn't seem to change much personality-wise suggests that she's already close to breaking point. In other words, people are creeped out by it because it just seems to make too much sense.
randomfox
03:17:44 AM May 1st 2011
I thought it was funny too. Just another case of the fandumb taking something too seriously.
emeriin
03:54:07 AM May 1st 2011
Isn't Fan Dumb a little strong? She's normally the happiest character, and to see her break so hard was creepy.
92.5.20.157
07:17:25 AM May 1st 2011
It walks the line between creepy and funny. It's Black Comedy at it's finest and as with most Black Comedy, some people can be disturbed by it.
GrimBloodyFable
07:23:17 AM May 1st 2011
Not to mention the music.
Captainhook
02:56:01 PM May 1st 2011
If anypony else had been the nut, it would have been Black Comedy. But Pinkie Pie can make anything cute. Nopony else could make madness look so adorable!
MugenKagemaru
09:49:56 AM Jul 28th 2011
edited by MugenKagemaru
@92.5.19.151

Interesting thought there.

This may be Fanon, but A Precious Rainbow, one of the alternate endings to Cupcakes, claims that Pinkie's crazy scene in "Party Of One" is what caused the "Cupcake Killer" incident.
GrimBloodyFable
topic
12:27:50 PM Apr 29th 2011
Would anyone else say that this show's popular enough to warrant an episode guide? I think it would make the mane (hurr) article less cluttered, and give us more room to be specific on matters without getting all confused. Then again, it might just be my neat freak tendencies kicking in.
Captainhook
02:57:27 PM May 1st 2011
An episode guide would be handy.
SuddenFrost
01:45:06 AM May 4th 2011
In order to reduce the length of the main page (and the character page too?) should we start moving tropes that apply only to one episode into the corresponding recap page?
yappydog
05:54:40 AM May 4th 2011
I'd really like to say no - it always irks me a little when the tropes are all split up like that, or even into larger A-M, N-Z categories. It just doesn't feel like TV Tropes when you do that.

That said, this page IS getting pretty long. I can fit 3 sub-pages of Homestuck trope content in the same space, which is usually a fair sign of extreme length. I'm slightly concerned that the single-episode recap list isn't button-linked from the /Main page, though. Can we fix this?
yappydog
07:43:58 AM May 7th 2011
Aaand it's linked. Thanks, Sudden Frost.
Jayrad
07:19:24 PM May 9th 2011
The problem with moving one-episode tropes to the episode pages is that whenever a trope gets used in an episode you'll have to check each episode's page to see if it's been used before and then move it to the main page. Or you could just add it to the new episode's page, but then you end up with the same trope being listed on a dozen episode's pages but not on the main page.
FallenLegend
11:27:15 PM May 24th 2011
Captainhook
topic
04:11:08 PM Apr 20th 2011
An odd piece of fanon states that Lyra and Bon Bon are dating. The only evidence is that they're often seen near each other. It's not like they've been seen kissing! What gives?
randomfox
05:21:44 PM Apr 28th 2011
That odd piece of fanon are called "Shippers". Try not to acknowledge them and you'll be much better off.
ultimatepheer
02:37:50 PM Sep 30th 2011
how can you NOT acknowledge them? if they are anything like the shippers in other works of media, it is extremely difficult to ignore them, yet equally difficult to take them sereiously.
NXTangl
06:11:25 PM Dec 31st 2011
edited by NXTangl
There's no evidence that Lyra and Bon-Bon aren't dating, either. They're background characters, with very little canon personality. We can give them whatever personality they want.

Doctor Whoves is another example of Fanon about a background character without much basis in actual evidence.
Bailoroc
topic
03:02:03 AM Apr 7th 2011
Okay, I KNOW this conversation follows a trope of some kind but I'm not sure if it's Wrong Genre Savy or playing with A Test Of Character or some other trope I simply don't know about.

Applejack: Twilight, Sugar, I didn't mean to put so much pressure on you. And if it helps, I don't want the ticket anymore. You can give it to somepony else; I won't feel bad. I promise. Fluttershy: Me too. I just feel awful that I made you feel so awful. Pinkie Pie: And me too. It's no fun upsetting your friends. Rarity: Twilight, it was unfair of me to force you as I did. Rainbow Dash: YES! That means the ticket is mine! Beat Rainbow Dash: You know, I haven't perfected my signature moves for the Wonderbolts anyway...I don't need that ticket either.

yappydog
01:10:39 PM Apr 13th 2011
I know what you're saying... my best guess would be that the overall scene is an exact inversion of Take Me Instead, momentarily subverted by Rainbow Dash. Thoughts?
Captainhook
06:27:55 AM Apr 30th 2011
I think it's playing with a Test Of Character.
yappydog
05:48:22 AM May 4th 2011
I see your point, but if you look at that trope's page in detail it's actually talking about personality quizzes that determine the character you play in a video game. This example seems a lot closer to an inverted Take Me Instead, even if you don't think the trope's title sounds as relevant.
DeathCloud
topic
02:28:16 AM Apr 4th 2011
This article is writen from Periphery Demographic point of view.

Do anyone know how target audience receive this show?
Benne
03:39:36 AM Apr 4th 2011
I don't see anything wrong with the article. The show was created and written with "universal appeal" in mind, rather than "little girls", and by all accounts it succeeded.
Benne
topic
02:07:05 AM Apr 4th 2011
Now that I have a Visual Pun entry made for "horse-drawn horse-drawn carriages", feel free to add other examples you find. Surely the show has more self-aware examples like this, the main article is starting to get unwieldy.
Pannic
topic
06:10:51 PM Apr 1st 2011
I removed the "Huffy the Magic Dragon" point under "Getting Crap Past the Radar." Someone reinstated it. I seriously don't think it counts. It's a reference to an old song. Parental Bonus at best. That's it.

No, I do not buy into the "marijuana reference" for an instant.
Benne
01:43:36 AM Apr 4th 2011
I know that the marijuana crap is an urban legend, but perhaps we can include the reference under Parental Bonus? It is referencing a well-known song, whether intentionally or not.
Pannic
03:58:30 PM May 6th 2011
Fits Parental Bonus perfectly fine.
SevenDeadPineTrees
topic
10:52:44 PM Mar 23rd 2011
Okay, so, the Real Women Never Wear Dresses Aesop episode is pretty straightforward, but does it make it some other kind of Aesop when it uses abduction, something that most people consider a real (if uncommon) hazard of childhood, as the device to show how girliness can also solve serious problems? Because it seems like using your intolerable feminine whining and complaining to aggravate your captors would actually be a pretty bad idea.
randomfox
05:20:12 PM Apr 28th 2011
You're taking it literally. The Aesop about that episode was Rarity can still kick ass even if she's a little fashonista. Anything besides that, and what Twilight writes at the end of the episode, is audience interpretation.
coconutie
topic
05:11:32 PM Feb 25th 2011
Sweetie Belle's song is like Flutterguy's song in 'Bridle Gossip'. They're both different versions which are sung after 'the original'. However, what trope is this? They do it twice in the show so it must be placed on the main page. I wanted to add That Reminds Me of a Song but that doesn't work since that wasn't how Sweetie Belle's scene went. Any suggestions?
Dragon_Ranger
11:05:00 AM Feb 28th 2011
Cover Version seems to fit, but there may be a more appropriate trope associated with it.
SuddenFrost
topic
11:06:09 PM Feb 16th 2011
edited by SuddenFrost
In order to keep the length of the main page down, I suggest removing the following tropes that apply only to one character and merging them into the Characters page:

Achievements In Ignorance, And I Must Scream, Anything You Can Do I Can Do Better, Arbitrary Skepticism, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering, Ascended Meme, Aside Glance, Beware The Nice Ones, Big Good, Butt Monkey, Cavalier Competitor, Cloud Cuckoolander, Cowardly Sidekick, The Cuckoolander Was Right, Cuteness Proximity, Evil Laugh, Face Heel Turn, Familiar, The Fashionista, Forgot I Could Fly, Friend To All Living Things, Genki Girl, Gibberish Of Love, Grumpy Bear, Hellish Pupils, The High Queen, Hive Mind, I Was Quite A Fashion Victim, Jerk With A Heart Of Gold, Jerkass, Kick The Dog, Large Ham, Leeroy Jenkins, The Load, The Mayor Who Doesn't Do Anything, Magicians Are Wizards, Miles Gloriosus, Moe, The Night That Never Ends, No Social Skills, The Resenter, Rhymes On A Dime, Sealed Evil In A Can, Shrinking Violet, Super OCD, Tareme, Those Two Guys, Your Answer To Everything

I can start moving these items in 24 hours if there aren't any objections.

Agent0042
06:06:10 AM Feb 17th 2011
Sounds good to me. In fact, I think some of those already are on the Characters page, but people either added them or added them back to Main because they didn't realize that there was a Characters page.
SuddenFrost
01:16:17 PM Feb 17th 2011
I'll add Instant Awesome Just Add Dragons to that. It should go under Spike's character profile.
SuddenFrost
01:00:30 AM Feb 18th 2011
OK, done. Hope I didn't make any mistakes with the formatting.
Maneko
01:14:16 PM Feb 23rd 2011
I think that dividing the article into three or more folders would be a good idea, considering how big is and how every week, the tropers add new content as soon they finish watching the new episodes.
ThePocket
03:25:50 PM Mar 8th 2011
OK, now I think we're moving too many tropes into the character page. Does Twilight's library being a Treehouse of Fun really count as a character trope just because she lives there, for example?
coconutie
topic
03:53:50 PM Feb 4th 2011
In the intro it bothers me that Faust is quoted when she admitted in a 'comment-article'(That one about the show being Racist and homophobic) that she didn't watch the show, but only played with the toys. And if you see her saying girls show are brainless with female character only caring about fashion and boys, it is obvious she only gazed upon 'my little pony TALES'. And that show is disliked by many and NOT a standard for shows for females. But it is HER quote, so even if it is ignorant, we can't remove it. But it sounds as if she is right, so we, as a wise and info/providing place, should edit this. We shouldn´t have false info/opinions in it. So what should we do?
DarkSasami
05:19:53 PM Feb 4th 2011
You and other G1 diehards are a small minority. I am obsessed with cute things and I can't sit through an episode of the original series. Get over it.
coconutie
05:57:06 PM Feb 4th 2011
What is it with you and your judging? I AM NOT A G1 diehard, I JUST Recently watched the old shows with an OPEN MIND and got a honest opinion which is filled with arguments. That you can't handle it isn't saying ANYTHING about the quality. Are you just completly ignoring what I said?
BigRobotCereal
07:31:16 PM Feb 4th 2011
Reread EXACTLY what the passage says. Nowhere does it mention previous incarnations of MLP - it says that girls' cartoons IN GENERAL have historically been terrible and insulting to their demographic's intelligence, and while there are some exceptions, I'd be willing to bet that most tropers who have been subjected to the genre over the years would be more than willing to agree. Additionally, the passage is framed as her opinion and guiding viewpoint behind the show's development, so whether you agree with her or not is irrelevant, it's still a crucial part of the show's DNA.
Evalana
03:32:21 AM Feb 5th 2011
I think what coconutie is getting at is that having the line "Faust is on record as saying that most cartoons for girls are brainless, sickly-sweet pandering trash" comes off as overly-negative. It's been a while since I read the page's description, and I have to say, that line caught me off-guard as well. I think that the page would not suffer from deleting that line entirely.
Maneko
11:09:23 AM Feb 8th 2011
I don't know. Usually, coconutie 's edits just ooze hatred and he/she tends to behave and if TV Tropes were his/her own private webpage where what he/says, stays or else. The last thing I want to see on TV Tropes is an edit war caused by a single person who wants to control and manipulate EVERYTHING what is said here.

coconutie
03:58:38 PM Feb 8th 2011
Ehm, the discussion wasn't about me, but about the content of the main page. We'll go further in this in PM, ok? I don't want the discussion page to be about a troper, but about the show.
Captainhook
06:47:30 PM Apr 19th 2011
Ms. Faust was almost certainly not talking about the MLP franchise. Furthermore, she has a point in regards to girl shows. Most of them DO patronize their viewers. The line should stay.
randomfox
05:17:10 PM Apr 28th 2011
It's a quote about the show, from the creator, about the motivation behind it's creation. One or two nitwits thinking it sounds "negative" is not enough of a reason to delete it.
marston
09:44:22 AM Sep 25th 2011
I know this is a old as hell discussion, but I do want to point out that even if lauren wasn't talking about the older series, she is right. Most girl's shows just tried to cash in on the obsessions of younger girls and put little to no effort in making the show good. And yes, she does hate the older shows. She said that all they ever did was have tea party's, giggle for no reason, and defeat the villains by crying, which seems to be pretty acurate from what I've seen of the older Shows.

I am not bashing anyone that grew up with them, but I tried to sit thorugh one of the episodes from the older shows and I could only get to 3 min's before I stoped watching it and went back to watching friendship is magic. Just pointing out the facts here.
coconutie
topic
05:19:25 PM Jan 26th 2011
Can someone explain me WHY Rarity would be considered 'Spoiled Sweet'? She isn't rich and isn't 'popular' either. Just beautifull and nice. So does this trope apply to her at all?
Evalana
07:38:44 PM Jan 27th 2011
To quote her character profile on the official website: "At first glance she may seem a typical debutant, vain and entitled, but it's simply not so! Generous to a fault, she believes so badly that the world should be beautiful, she's all too eager to simply give away the designs she works so hard on and to offer anypony a custom Rarity makeover."
KayiRowling
09:49:39 PM Jan 27th 2011
Spoiled Sweet still requires her to be rich and influential, family-wise or, at least, tutor-wise. There's no such thing around Rarity, so she's just a plain Lovable Libby.
Evalana
01:52:03 PM Feb 2nd 2011
I'll concede the Spoiled Sweet point (tutor-wise?), but she isn't a Lovable Libby, either. That would require her to be The Libby at least part of the time, which she isn't in the slightest.
Aubri
12:40:09 AM Feb 19th 2011
Agreed. She's never looked down her nose at anyone. The closest she's come was with AJ, and that was more an objection to her dirt than AJ herself.
Captainhook
06:41:03 PM Apr 19th 2011
Spoiled Sweet will have to do.
randomfox
05:14:41 PM Apr 28th 2011
It will not. Better to have nothing at all then something that isn't true.
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