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openOverzealous editor. Videogame
Tropers/0219110 has been running riot on the Fire Emblem and Advanced Wars pages. I don't necessarily think their edits are valueless, but their English and grammar aren't great, and they're deleting a lot of tropes that're critical of the games without edit reasons, or with short and condescending/confrontational ones.
Edited by SpectralTimeopenBaldur’s Gate III Videogame
Is it safe to remake the article for BG 3 now that game footage and the like have been revealed at PAX East?
openNot Really Memes? Videogame
Reposting my question here because I have the Discussion page isn't trafficked all that frequently enough to get a prompt response.
Marikusu recently made a bunch of additions to Fire Emblem: Three Houses that I feel violate the nature of what constitutes a meme, because they seem to be expressly partisan polemics that just happen to be delivered in a cheeky/sarcastic way, rather than the kind innately self-perpetuating humor that usually constitutes a meme. Plus there isn't any meaning to them beyond the face value statements themselves. Also, memes are generally supposed to have broad appeal because of their self-perpetuating nature, hence being about a matter this controversial already limits their ability to appeal to a wide audience.
In the past we've already had to carry out major repair on the YMMV entry for Edelgard under Base-Breaking Character because it was getting too full of these polemics both for and against her, so needless to say anything regarding the grayness surrounding her morality is enough of a delicate matter that the additions are in violation of Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement. Not to mention there was a fair amount of discussion in the game thread that found the fascist label to be inaccurate (the Memes entry admits as much, but goes on to add it anyway with a handwave) and a case of Ron the Death Eater, as while she's certainly a lot of things that aren't exactly good, fascist expressly is not one of them.
Edit: I see that Marikusu nuked a YMMV entry that explicitly explains how Fascist Edelgard came to become a Discredited Meme to the point a voice actor got involved; whether or not it still sees use in some remaining circles, I do think that treating it as a contemporary meme of worth after that incident definitely comes off as in bad taste, especially since as someone with friends who are fans of all three of the various house lords, the ones who express a liking for Edelgard are the ones who receive the brunt of harassment and personal attacks due to the way modern fandoms behave.
Edited by AlleyOopopenYMMV Fire Emblem Edits Videogame
So there's this user called 0219110 who does huge edits to YMMV pages for several Fire Emblem titles, namely Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon & the Blade of Light, Fire Emblem: Mystery of the Emblem, Fire Emblem: Thracia 776, Fire Emblem: The Binding Blade, Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade, Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones, and Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance. They removed a lot of entries without the justification why, and while some of their entries are more representative of the series' fans opinions today than in the past, the new edits are written poorly (no punctuation in some places, unfinished sentences, etc).
I'm bringing this here because nobody reads the Discussion pages, this issue covers multiple pages/titles, and the series forum page isn't the place to talk about it.
openDuplicate Video Example Videogame
So there was a video uploaded 2 days ago (Page 4 of the Recent Videos page as of this writing) that contained the Non-Standard Game Over you get in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater via shooting Ocelot and getting a time paradox. The problem is that I had also uploaded a video of Ocelot's time paradox a few months ago as well, and the new video's media source is a redirect, not showing the new video in the work page proper. Which one should we keep?
openCyberJudas trope page Videogame
Should there be a separate work page for Cyber Judas instead of grouping the sequel’s works along with Shadow President on the page?
(I don’t really know how else to add to this, I’d make the work page myself but I’m not entirely familiar with Cyber Judas aside from watching Joel’s gameplay of it.)
openTroping beta releases Videogame
I want to add an example to Ribcage Ridge for the "soul sand valley" biome in Minecraft's upcoming nether update, but this seems like it could be Speculative Troping. The content in question is available to anyone who's bought the game, but it has yet to be officially released yet. Would this be okay?
openWhich MEH entry should we keep? Videogame
The Earthbound series has a villain named Porky Minch, who was Ness‘s (the protagonist) next door neighbour. Somewhere along the line, he got influenced by Giygus and then crossed the MEH. There’s two entries for him, one on Earthbound and one on Mother 3. I’m trying to decide on which entry I should keep.
- Moral Event Horizon: Porky Minch crosses it at the end when he unleashes Giygas to bring the universe into darkness.
- Moral Event Horizon: Porky Minch crosses it with the very first action he partakes in by being responsible for the creation of the chimeras, and by that extent, Hinawa's death. And after he hits rock bottom, he begins digging, crossing the line again and again and again throughout the story, until finally crossing it one last time with the reveal of what he did to Claus.
Obviously, the Mother 3 entry isn’t written very well and will have to be trimmed; but the main issue is which one to keep. The former happened before what he did in Mother 3, but the later just has a bigger emotional impact.
I also asked this in the Moral Event Horizon Cleanup, but I just put this here too so I can get more consensus on what to do.
Edited by PlasmaPoweropenI'm not sure where to put this? Videogame
Mother 3 has a Player Punch entry that is way too long for its own good.
- Player Punch: A lot.
- In Chapter 1, in a series built around the protagonist usually having a close relationship with their mother during their adventure, it goes against the series expectations that Hinawa, Lucas's mother, is killed very violently.
- You then play the first chapter as Hinawa's husband, Flint. Upon finding out about her death, he goes into a terrifying Heroic BSoD, lashing out at other people in the village until he has to be knocked unconscious in order to be subdued. You then get the lovely experience of becoming Tazmily Jail's first prisoner.
- Claus, Lucas's twin brother, then goes out into the mountains to try and avenge Hinawa. He fails.
- As it turns out, the animal responsible for killing Hinawa was a Drago, a perfectly harmless creature Lucas used to be friends with. It's been "reconstructed" by a strange group of men wearing pig masks, making it aggressive and mindless.
- Oh, and who's in charge of all these Pigmasks? Why, Porky Minch, naturally.
- In Chapter 2, you play as a thief named Duster. And, let's just say, his father is not very satisfied by his thieving abilities.
- In Chapter 3, you play as a monkey named Salsa. He's getting routinely abused by a member of the Pigmask army named Fassad. He spends the chapter being forced to help them with their evil deeds, since his girlfriend is being held captive for leverage.
- In Chapter 4, three years have gone by. Let's just say, one of the biggest RPG cliches of all time has been... horrifyingly subverted.
- Then, at the end of the chapter, when the DCMC sing their goodbyes to "Lucky". It's for the greater good, but you'll feel really terrible for finally getting your last party member.
- Chapter 6. Lucas chases Hinawa's ghost through a field of sunflowers, which are associated with her. It ends with you essentially making Lucas attempt suicide.
- In Chapter 7, you find out about these Plot Coupons called the Seven Needles. Only Lucas and the commander of the Pigmask army, The Masked Man, are capable of pulling them. If Lucas pulls them, the world will be reborn anew and everything will be good and pure. If the Masked Man pulls them, the world will cease to exist.
- And, in that chapter, you manage to only pull three. The enemy ends up getting the rest of them.
- Then there's Tanetane Island. After washing up on the shore during a wreck, your party is weak, starving, and incapable of healing themselves. Since you lost all your items, you have no choice but to eat some funky-looking mushrooms off the ground. Let's just say, it ends very, very badly.
- Then, when you get back home, the town is almost completely empty. Everybody's gone to the big city, save for a few individuals.
- In Chapter 8, we meet up with a fellow named Leder. He was the bell ringer in Tazmily Village, and he never spoke a word to anybody. Now that Tazmily is gone and he has no other purpose in life, he reveals that pretty much everything you thought you knew about the world is a lie. The human race destroyed this world long, long before you started playing this game, and the tiny island you've spent the game on is the only habitable place left on Earth. There is hope, but now the entire world is resting squarely on your shoulders, and the odds aren't looking very promising.
- Then you meet the Pig King himself, Porky. He essentially gives the entire human species a "Reason You Suck" Speech. And considering what you just found out, it'll strike a few chords.
- Hey, remember that Masked Man guy? The one who's been pulling all the other needles and striking you down at any given opportunity, hellbent on bringing the world to an end? It's Claus. Lucas's brother.
- You can't defeat Porky. During the fight, he reveals that his constant abuse of time travel has rendered him immortal. At the end of the fight, he locks himself in a machine called the Absolutely Safe Capsule. However, it's revealed that, once he's in there, he can never get out. Ever.
- The final battle in the game is against the Masked Man. It may just be the most heartbreaking "I Know You're in There Somewhere" Fight ever executed. With your party knocked unconscious, leaving you alone, you cannot fight him. A battle implies a conflict on both sides, but Lucas can't bring himself to hurt his brother. All you can do is guard against his attacks, while a terrifying boss theme that rivals Giygas's in intensity assaults your ears. Forcing you to just try and survive blasts from your own iconic attack, slowly watch as your brother gets weaker until he can't even damage you anymore. And it ends with Claus using your always-dependable Franklin Badge that protects you to deliberately blast lightning so it will deflect back at him, with every intention of committing child suicide. All you can do is hear him apologize for his mistakes as he says goodbye... so he... he can be with his mother...
- The ending. There are no words to say, just the ending.
It's just listing the entire game. I'm not doubting that the game pulls punches on the player, but I think we should probably just have highlights of this item, rather every single time the game has a depressing moment.
Edited by PlasmaPoweropenDoes Queen Sectonia count for Animal Motifs? Videogame
Characters.Kirby Villainous Factions has this entry for Sectonia:
- Animal Motifs: Bees and wasps, the latter which she heavily resembles.
Doesn't Animal Motifs require the character to be human, or at least not an animal at all? Isn't Sectonia an anthropomorphic wasp?
openEdit Warring Videogame
Troper Omega Radiance has been edit warring on the Fire Emblem: Three Houses – The Church of Seiros page. They have added the Properly Paranoid trope entry back after it was removed twice with no attempt at a discussion, simply edit reasons that the entry is valid. Not only is the reasoning awfully thin (Rhea shows no real signs of paranoia, just concern for potential threats), it's about a character controversial for the actions she took to stamp out those threats and the entry is clearly intended to be in defense of the character, saying her actions were justified and for the good of the continent.
openNSFW meme Videogame
Someone added this example of Memetic Mutation to Rhythm Heaven:
"The infamous Rule 34 parody of Fever's Remix 10 (by Minus 8, called "Fever X", if you're curious)."
Googling said meme leads to nothing but pornographic websites... and it's being described in a page about a game where the main target audience is children.
So I have two questions:
1) Does TV Tropes have any rule pertaining to the publicization of NSFW memes on its pages?
2) I want to cut that Rhythm Heaven example. Are there any objections?
openYMMV.FireEmblemThreeHouses Videogame
Edelgard was approved as a Magnificent Bitch on the cleanup thread and since her posting received many unapproved edits. I made a post on my edit reverting but it seems the original entry may have had some errors in it. I'll say again here, if anything does need to be changed please bring it to the thread I've linked in this post. I'm putting this here to dissuade further changes without proper procedure being followed.
openRegarding VideoGame/TheEscapists2 Videogame
Did I create the page correctly? I made sure to include multiple examples and tropes, as well as doing my best to avoid zero context examples. I just wonder if I did a good enough job at starting the page off. This is the page: The Escapists 2
openTrailer notifier in parentheses Videogame
Ashlay did a bunch of edits on VideoGame.Doom Eternal where they put they include the trailer at the end of each entry. For example:
- [Trope]: [Context] (trailer)
I guess this is a moot point since the game is coming out this week, but are these notifiers allowed?
openShould I remove this example? Videogame
I know I’ve seen another Values Resonance entry before regarding incels, and that was concluded as not fitting the item.
So, what do you guys think of this entry? I’m also putting this here because I think this example might also be kind of flamey, and looking for a quick response.
- Adachi feels that society "owes" him success and a relationship because of his hard work in his youth, and blames women for rejecting him even when he sexually assaults them. Then, when outed as the murderer, he blames society for making him this way. His actions are eerily predictive of the "incel" movement from the later half of the New 10's.
open DubNameChange.DynamiteHeaddy Videogame
Why does Dynamite Headdy have its own page for Dub Name Change? I don’t think there is enough examples for it to qualify. Heck, I think I remember some Dub Name Change entries being longer than this and they don’t get their own pages.
Should I move them over to the main page?
Edited by PlasmaPoweropenCan't link videos to media source Videogame
I realized that the page for Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers didn't have video examples linked to it, but videos for Ret-Gone and Player Personality Quiz had examples from that same game anyway. On closer inspection I noticed that the name of the media source given by the videos on each of the trope pages is not completely the same as the title given by the media page. Is there anyway for me to fix this myself?
Edited by TheGrayShadow
From Sackboy's entry on Characters.Play Station All Stars Battle Royale First Party Starter
What does that mean? Is this even a valid example?