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* LateCharacterSyndrome: While just about anyone recruited in part 2 may suffer this fate (Due to being behind in levels and supports), none have it as hard as:
** Gilbert. He joins in only ''one'' route of the game - and that's Part Two of Azure Moon. As a result of this, he can ''only'' support a handful of characters compared to everyone else, and has a much shorter time. While he [[AntiFrustrationFeatures does have a smaller requirement to get these supports]] compared to others, he's very easy to toss aside due to how most of his skills start around ''E''. (When most other characters are nearing the ''A'' level.) His very ''very'' low speed more or less ensures he'll be doubled by everyone he fights.
** Dedue as well - since he can actually become a [[spoiler: GuestStarPartyMember depending on the route]]. Due to plot circumstances, he's out of the group for quite awhile, resulting in some deficiency.


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** Gilbert in particular - despite being an absolute ''beast'' of a Tank, he has a speed growth of only 30... and a base speed in the ''single digits''. Meaning that even with all the weight weapons, he's going to be doubled by just about everyone he faces. On top of this, he only joins after Chapter 12 - with very little development in ''any'' skill. On top of that, he only joins in Azure Moon... meaning he is one of the ''least'' available units in the entire game.
** Dedue is rather hard to use. His low speed bases&Growth means he won't be able to double anyone unless you give him a pair of gauntlets and make him a brawler-Grappler-War master. His low resistance (Combined with the fact a lot of enemies have magic, powerful dakr magic at that) also means he is hardly able to perform his role of tanking efficiently and will be easy pickings for mages. To throw salt in the wounds, [[spoiler: you can actually ''lose'' him forever depending on whether or not you completed his Paralogue]]. And to rub it in even further, he's forced out of your group on multiple occasions - further putting him behind in skill, support, and class development. Players ''have'' found him very useful, but even his fans admit he is a little difficult to put into the party, especially depending on your recruitment.
** Depending on who you ask, Flayn may be this. How much she pays off is up for debate - she does have access to the Caudecus staff and Fortify, which make her a ''very'' good healer. Unfortunately, she also lacks Physic, meaning her only form of remote healing to waste a Fortify charge, meaning that to heal, she ''has'' to go into the fray. Her [[SquishyWizard low defence]] means she can ''not'' take any hits, and even Nosferatu tanking is quite risky since she'll usually take more damage than she recovers. She's great Gremory material at the very least, since her budding talent is in Reason. One of her Faith magic abilities is also Rescue, which is situational at best. Oh and her only weakness is riding... which means it's difficult to get her into Dark or Holy Knight.


* {{Woolseyism}}: Petra's foreigner speech habit was originally handled in Japanese by having her take long pauses between words as she tried to find the correct term to use. This is difficult to convey in English because of word count limitations, plus it would cause possible union issues with the actor due to essentially being paid to say nothing. To get around this without losing an aspect of her character, the localization makes her a StrangeSyntaxSpeaker whose grammar is intelligible but slightly off(e.g. "I am having (x)"), especially in areas such as verb conjugation or idioms. This allowed Petra's dialogue to convey her struggle as a non-native speaker without issue of text limitations, and made her more endearing of a character.

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* {{Woolseyism}}: Petra's foreigner speech habit was originally handled in Japanese by having her take long pauses between words as she tried to find the correct term to use. This is difficult to convey in English because of word count limitations, plus it would cause possible union issues with the actor due to essentially being paid to say nothing. To get around this without losing an aspect of her character, the localization makes her a StrangeSyntaxSpeaker whose grammar is intelligible but slightly off(e.off (e.g. "I am having (x)"), especially in areas such as verb conjugation or idioms.idioms, sort of akin to how Starfire speaks in ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans''. This allowed Petra's dialogue to convey her struggle as a non-native speaker without issue of text limitations, and made her more endearing of a character.


** Master classes. The classes themselves are fine, but actually achieving them is the problem. They usually require high ranks in at least two or even three proficiencies, making them difficult to obtain, having to pick up a lesser used proficiency to do so. All of this would require going out of your way to learn, which would take up precious time, to the point where it might even be better to stay as an Advanced class (like Swordmaster or Sniper).

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** Master classes. The classes themselves are fine, but actually achieving ''achieving'' them is the problem. They usually require high ranks in at least two or even three proficiencies, making them difficult to obtain, having to pick up a lesser used proficiency to do so. All of this would require going out of your way to learn, which would take up precious time, to the point where it might even be better to stay as an Advanced class (like Swordmaster or Sniper). The only time this isn't a problem is if a character's skills gravitate towards these classes (such as Bernadetta and Leonie for the Bow Knight class).



** Master Class wise, the Great Knight class generally gets avoided because of the impracticality of obtaining, especially compared to the other mounted classes which are much easier to progress in to. As mentioned above, armored classes do not get used often, and so many players skip out leveling a character's Armor proficiency, but the requirement to unlock means having high ranks in Lances, Riding, and Armor, the latter two being inherently conflicting proficients that few characters can reasonably obtain ranks in, with someone like Ferdinand being one of the few characters to have proficiency in both, and even then Armor is a hidden talent for him.
** Another Master Class, Mortal Savant, is not particularly liked either; a combination of being infantry, being slow, having two requirements that few characters have at the same time (Sword and Reason), and generally being inferior to Dark Knight when it comes to hybrid classes. The only character that pulls off Mortal Savant well is Felix.

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** Master Class wise, the Great Knight class generally gets avoided because of the impracticality of obtaining, especially compared to the other mounted classes which are much easier to progress in to. As mentioned above, armored classes do not get used often, and so many players skip out leveling a character's Armor proficiency, but the requirement to unlock means having high ranks in Lances, Axes, Riding, and Armor, the latter two being inherently conflicting proficients that few characters can reasonably obtain ranks in, with someone like Ferdinand being one of the few characters to have proficiency in both, and even then Armor is a hidden talent for him.
** Another Master Class, Mortal Savant, is not particularly liked either; a combination of being infantry, being slow, having two requirements that few characters have at the same time (Sword and Reason), and generally being inferior to Dark Knight when it comes to hybrid classes. The only character that Only a few characters pulls off Mortal Savant well is Felix.well, that being Felix, Ignatz and Lysithea.



** This game might as well be the lowest point for the Hero class. In this game they are not only locked to male characters, but are also almost completely outclassed by Swordmaster (only having +2 HP mod, +5% HP Growth, and +1 Luck mod, compared to Swordmaster having +1 Dex mod, +2 Spd mod and +10% Spd growth). Skill-wise, while both have AwesomeButImpractical Mastered Skills ([[CriticalStatusBuff Defiant Str]] on Hero vs. [[BladeSpam Astra]] on Swordmaster) and both have Swordfaire, Swordmaster has a better second class skill in Sword Critical +10 compared to Hero's Vantage (which is even possible to learn earlier by mastering Mercenary). Finally, one point Hero usually has over Swordmaster (better Axe usage in the form of Axefaire) is moot in this game since every class can use every physical weapon. End result: the only reason to ever go Hero is if the character just doesn't have the sword rank to go Swordmaster, since Hero only requires B-rank compared to Swordmaster's A, or if you're just a perfectionist/completionist who wants to master every class.

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** This game might as well be the lowest point for the Hero class. In this game they are not only locked to male characters, but are also almost completely outclassed by Swordmaster (only having +2 HP mod, +5% HP Growth, and +1 Luck mod, compared to Swordmaster having +1 Dex mod, +2 Spd mod and +10% Spd growth). Skill-wise, while both have AwesomeButImpractical Mastered Skills ([[CriticalStatusBuff Defiant Str]] on Hero vs. [[BladeSpam Astra]] on Swordmaster) and both have Swordfaire, Swordmaster has a better second class skill in Sword Critical +10 compared to Hero's Vantage (which is even possible to learn earlier by mastering Mercenary). Finally, one point Hero usually has over Swordmaster (better Axe usage in the form of Axefaire) is moot in this game since every class can use every physical weapon. End result: the only reason to ever go Hero is if the character just doesn't have the sword rank to go Swordmaster, since Hero only requires B-rank compared to Swordmaster's A, or if you're just a perfectionist/completionist who wants to master every class.class in the case for Byleth.


** In general, Edelgard's actions might not come as sympathetically as intended to some players. Her goal of ending Crest-based discrimination and the rule of the corrupt nobility is reasonable, but she quickly makes it clear in other routes that she is willing to kill anyone in her way. [[spoiler:She might openly voice disgust with and disapprove of the actions of Those Who Slither In The Dark, and in some cases actively sabotage them, but in other cases she ''helps'' them, such as loaning them the Death Knight and stealing Crest stones to [[PainfulTransformation create Demonic Beasts]]. She was also the one to hire Kostas to indirectly try to kill Claude and Dimitri in the beginning of the game]]. And one of her stated reasons for opposing the church is because [[spoiler:she believes that [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Nabateans]] like Rhea and Seteth shouldn't hold political power]], meaning that part of the reason she starts a five-year war is [[spoiler:FantasticRacism]], which isn't a terribly heroic motive.

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** In general, Edelgard's actions might not come as sympathetically as intended to some players. Her goal of ending Crest-based discrimination and the rule of the corrupt nobility is reasonable, but she quickly makes it clear in other routes that she is willing to kill anyone in her way. [[spoiler:She might openly voice disgust with and disapprove of the actions of Those Who Slither In The Dark, and in some cases actively sabotage them, but in other cases she ''helps'' them, such as loaning them the Death Knight and stealing Crest stones to [[PainfulTransformation create Demonic Beasts]]. She was also the one to hire Kostas to indirectly try to kill Claude and Dimitri in the beginning of the game]]. And one of her stated reasons for opposing the church is because [[spoiler:she believes that [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Nabateans]] like Rhea and Seteth shouldn't hold political power]], meaning that which makes it come out as part of the reason she starts a five-year war is because of [[spoiler:FantasticRacism]], which isn't a terribly heroic motive.


* ScrappyLevel: Or more of a Scrappy route. Silver Snow is generally considered an unnecessary copy of the Golden Deer route without Claude and is almost exactly the same aside from sharing Crimson Flower's final boss, when more effort could've been made to make Crimson Flower reach the quality of the other routes by not cutting it short or leaving it without any animated cutscenes besides the ending.


** The DLC loungewear costumes in ''spades''. The costumes looks like something you'd expect from a soccer/football player to wear, and thus likely to [[{{Narm}} kill any drama in dramatic scenes just for your units wearing them]]. That said, most people using them are already wearing them to pretend their class is a basketball team already for laughs, so it doesn't hurt as much as the other examples.

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** The DLC loungewear costumes in ''spades''. The costumes looks like something you'd expect from a soccer/football player to wear, and thus likely to [[{{Narm}} kill any drama in dramatic scenes just for your units wearing them]]. That said, [[NarmCharm most people using them are already wearing them to pretend their class is a basketball team already for laughs, laughs]], so it doesn't hurt as much as the other examples.

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** In the Crimson Flower route, Rhea is revealed to [[spoiler: to be a dragon in front of witnesses unlike the other routes. A lot of things could have been done with this plot point, does it lead to a crisis of faith across Fodlan since their archbishop was lying to the entire continent? How do the other house leaders feel about this? There could have been debates over the ethics of divine beings actively distorting history, and controlling Fodlan from behind the scenes for centuries. Characters like Dimitri or Catherine could have argued to Edelgard, that Rhea was good for Fodlan despite her true species, as Rhea did establish relative harmony over Fodlan and that Edelgard would be no better than her as a ruler. This plot point turns the entire standard Fire Emblem plot of Emperor invades peaceful nations on it's head, but instead it doesn't receive much focus in the main story aside NPC chatter, and Claude doesn't make any comment on it despite distrusting gods, and Rhea enforcing isolationism in Fodlan.]]


** Certain girls and women have this rather odd arm-shaking movement, especially when they're able to do good at a certain skill while tutoring them. Other characters have a hand-clutching animation to emphasize that they're worried. But if you gave gifts to them, they move at an awkward motion while smiling if you gave them something.


** Certain girls and women have this rather odd arm-shaking movement, especially when they're able to do good at a certain skill while tutoring them.
** Some characters have a hand-clutching animation to emphasize that they're worried. But if you gave gifts to them, they move at an awkward motion while smiling if ou gave them something.

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** Certain girls and women have this rather odd arm-shaking movement, especially when they're able to do good at a certain skill while tutoring them.
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them. Other characters have a hand-clutching animation to emphasize that they're worried. But if you gave gifts to them, they move at an awkward motion while smiling if ou you gave them something.

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** Certain girls and women have this rather odd arm-shaking movement, especially when they're able to do good at a certain skill while tutoring them.
** Some characters have a hand-clutching animation to emphasize that they're worried. But if you gave gifts to them, they move at an awkward motion while smiling if ou gave them something.


** The September 2019 patch changed some of dialogue in the story, most notibly changing [[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/600399469665845278/621797182692917268/Screenshot_20190912-145939_Chrome.jpg a line in Bernadetta's B support with Byleth, where she explained why she's reclusive]]. This one dialogue change was very disliked after it was discovered due to it not only removing some details, but lessening the impact of the abuse she experienced. It also doesn't transition into the line after and the rest of the conversation very well, which are otherwise unchanged from the original localization ("I tried hard to do as he asked").[[note]]The original line in Japanese did not have any mention of the more abusive elements, making the original localized line appear to be a case of {{Woolseyism}}[[/note]]

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** The September 2019 patch changed some of dialogue in the story, most notibly changing [[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/600399469665845278/621797182692917268/Screenshot_20190912-145939_Chrome.jpg a line in Bernadetta's B support with Byleth, where she explained why she's reclusive]]. This one dialogue change was very disliked after it was discovered due to it not only removing some details, but lessening the impact of the abuse she experienced. It also doesn't transition into the line after and the rest of the conversation very well, which are otherwise unchanged from the original localization ("I tried hard to do as he asked").[[note]]The original line in Japanese did not have any mention of the more abusive elements, making the original localized line appear to be a case of {{Woolseyism}}[[/note]]{{Woolseyism}}.[[/note]]


** Having Byleth have two potential paired platonic endings isn't that new in ''Fire Emblem''. There have been several endings that are unambiguously nonromantic in previous Fire Emblem games, most notably Dozla and L'arachel where Dozla was happy at L'arachel being married. While it is a first for a paired ending of an S support to be nonromantic in the original text, there were a few paired endings from the localized versions of ''Awakening'' and ''Fates'' that show no outward implications of romance, (specifically, any potential KissingCousins couple having more of an ambiguous ending, and Soleil being changed to only have two possible romantic endings).

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** Having Byleth have two potential paired platonic endings isn't that new in ''Fire Emblem''. There have been several endings that are unambiguously nonromantic in previous Fire Emblem ''Fire Emblem'' games, most notably Dozla and L'arachel where Dozla was happy at L'arachel being married. While it is a first for a paired ending of an S support to be nonromantic in the original text, there were a few paired endings from the localized versions of ''Awakening'' and ''Fates'' that show no outward implications of romance, (specifically, any potential KissingCousins couple having more of an ambiguous ending, and Soleil being changed to only have two possible romantic endings).


** Certain girls and women have this rather odd arm-shaking movement, especially when they're able to do good at a certain skill while tutoring them.
** Some characters have a hand-clutching animation to emphasize that they're worried. But if you gave gifts to them, they move at an awkward motion while smiling if ou gave them something.


** Some fans like to think of Byleth being put in charge of ''all three'' of the houses, rather than just the one, giving some interesting possibilities since [[spoiler:barring Claude, who is the most level-headed and reasonable of the three, Dimitri and Edelgard's more violent tendencies are more pronounced without Byleth there to act as their LivingEmotionalCrutch[=/=]MoralityPet]].



** A lot of post-game Dimitri fanart depicts him with his NG+ hairstyle (long hair but tied back).

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** A lot of post-game Dimitri fanart depicts him with his NG+ hairstyle (long hair but tied back). Some also like to imagine him wearing his hair like that after [[spoiler:Chapter 17, to accompany his [[HesBack return to form]].]]



** Much like the top example, some fans like to think of Byleth being put in charge of ''all three'' of the houses, rather than just the one, giving some interesting possibilities since [[spoiler:barring Claude, who is the most level-headed and reasonable of the three, Dimitri and Edelgard's more violent tendencies are more pronounced without Byleth there to act as their LivingEmotionalCrutch[=/=]MoralityPet]].

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** Certain girls and women have this rather odd arm-shaking movement, especially when they're able to do good at a certain skill while tutoring them.
** Some characters have a hand-clutching animation to emphasize that they're worried. But if you gave gifts to them, they move at an awkward motion while smiling if ou gave them something.

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