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To-do list:

  • Rename Guttural Growler to Raspy And Tough and retool it directly (as opposed to launching a new trope) to refer to where a raspy voice is used to symbolize the character being tough, and make it a unisex trope about the general "raspy=tough" idea.

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NOTE: The following OP was written by Ayumi-chan. Please give credit to them.


From what I saw on this site, Guttural Growler seems to have a confusing definition. It is often stated to be "character has a low, raspy voice", which isn't exactly a trope and would fit much better on things like Evil Sounds Raspy (raspy voices signifying evil characters) or Tomboyish Voice (a girl with a raspy voice to signify her as a tomboy). So I think a wick check is in order.

Here's the check (with organizing help from Yindee) and the results:

  • Gruff/Raspy voice with some context (10/50)
  • Chairs (22/50)
  • ZCE (14/50)
  • Unsure (4/50)


Solutions:
  • Create a trope where a raspy is voice is used to symbolize the character being tough. Make a male-centric example to a "Tough guy with raspy voice" example and move female examples to Tomboyish Voice. If not, we can create a unisex trope about the general "raspy=tough" idea. (though that might also need a seperate wick check for TV).
  • Rename and redefine the trope (in-line with the first solution)

Wick check:

From what I saw on this site, Guttural Growler seems to have a confusing definition. It is often stated to be "character has a low, raspy voice", which isn't exactly a trope and would fit much better on things like Evil Sounds Raspy (raspy voices signifying evil characters) or Tomboyish Voice (a girl with a raspy voice to signify her as a tomboy). So I think a wick check is in order.
(50/50)

  • Gruff/Raspy voice with some context (10/50)
  • Chairs (22/50)
  • ZCE (14/50)
  • Unsure (4/50)


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     Gruff/Raspy voice with some context (10/50) 
  1. Characters.Condemned Criminal Origins (Director Ike Ferrel) /Guttural Growler: While he sounds perfectly normal in the first game, the second game has him speaking in a very harsh and gravelly voice. The metal implants in his body may have something to do with it. has some context
  2. Characters.Dishonored Daud And Billie Lurk (Daud) /Guttural Growler: Regardless of your chaos level his voice will always be deep and raspy which does help his intimidating presence. Gruff/Raspy voice with some context
  3. Characters.Dragon Calling Antagonists And Villains (Sadukravon) /Guttural Growler: Being a manticor, he often rumbles and growls in what one would imagine a lion-like manner. has some context
  4. Characters.Fire Emblem Three Houses Dimitri /Guttural Growler: Post-timeskip on the Azure Moon and Verdant Wind routes, Dimitri has a deeper, more aggressive voice and growls nearly every line he speaks. On the Azure Moon route, after he realizes what kind of person he's become and takes a turn for the better, his voice softens a little, though he still growls at his enemies in battle. has some context
  5. Characters.Five Nights At Freddys William Afton (Scraptrap) /Guttural Growler: He speaks with a creepy, growling voice. Seeing as Afton spoke more clearly in the opening to Sister Location, it's fair to say that decades trapped in a rotting suit didn't do his vocal cords any good. has some context
  6. Characters.Malus Darkblade (Malus' Family/Isilvar) /Guttural Growler: He has a low, rasping voice, the result of Malus stabbing him in the throat when the Cult of Slaanesh's hideout was raided by Khainite warriors. has some context
  7. Characters.The Righteous Gemstones Other Characters (The Devil) /Guttural Growler: This is actually a plot point. Scotty has a low, scary voice but he lowers it even further into a harsh snarl to disguise his identity when blackmailing Jesse. has some context
  8. Characters.Spec Ops The Line (Walker) /Guttural Growler: As the campaign goes on and Walker continues losing his mind, his combat barks become more feral and psychotic and he starts straight growling, throat tearing and all, a lot more. has some context
  9. Characters.Star Wars The Mandalorian Character Sheet /Guttural Growler: He speaks with a tough-sounding rasp. It usually seems due to his helmet distorting his voice, but he still sounds hoarse even without it. has some context
  10. Characters.Uncut Gems (Phil & Nico) /Guttural Growler: Phil has a deep and raspy voice. has some context, but it's kinds written as natter

    Chairs (22/50) 
  1. Characters.Bloodborne Secondary Characters (Valtr) /Guttural Growler: He has a very deep, guttural voice, unlike Solaire. chairs
  2. Characters.Critical Role Darrington Brigade (Buddy) /Guttural Growler: Liam plays him with a very deep, gravelly voice. chairs
  3. Characters.Dark Souls II Secondary Characters (Benhart of Jugo) /Guttural Growler: Speaks with a deep, gravelly voice: his heavy Scottish accent only makes it more recognizable. chairs
  4. Characters.DCEU General Zod /Guttural Growler: Zod normally has an even-toned voice, but when he's feeling aggressive his voice will suddenly become noticably coarse. chairs
  5. Characters.The Despair In Our Stars (Female Students/Natsuki Sumeragi) /Guttural Growler: Her actual voice is rather low, especially for a girl. chairs
  6. Characters.El Cid 2020 Kingdom Of Leon (King Fernando I of León) /Guttural Growler: Has an impressively growling voice when speaking. chairs
  7. Characters.Escape From New York (Snake Plissken) /Guttural Growler: His voice is raspy and hoarse. Kurt Russell said he inspired it by Clint Eastwood. chairs
  8. Characters.Genshin Impact Zhongli /Guttural Growler: His grunts and combat voicelines make him come across as this, though in English Keith Silverstein gives him an even more noticeable growl. chairs
  9. Characters.Grandmaster Of Demonic Cultivation Mo Dao Zu Shi Nie Clan Of Qinghe (Nie Mingjue) /Guttural Growler: In the Japanese audio drama, kudos of his voice actor Kenjiro Tsuda, Nie Mingjue had a deep and raspy voice. chairs
  10. Characters.Immortals Fenyx Rising (Ares) /Guttural Growler: Even as a chicken, he talks in a booming, raspy voice. chairs
  11. Characters.The Land Before Time Sequel Films (Archie) /Guttural Growler: His first scene has him growling at an isolated Littlefoot in a way that makes him look like a threat, but he quickly mellows out once he sees that Littlefoot is just a lost kid and not a Sharptooth. seems like chairs
  12. Characters.Little Miss Sunshine (Secondary Characters/The Biker Dad) /Guttural Growler: Has a very raspy voice. chairs
  13. Characters.The Man In The High Castle Series Resistance (Gary) /Guttural Growler: He speaks with a low, raspy voice. chairs
  14. Characters.Masters Of The Universe The Evil Horde (Hordak) /Guttural Growler: In the 1980s She-Ra cartoon, Hordak has a raspy, abrasive voice. chairs
  15. Characters.Mortal Kombat 2021 (Scorpion) /Guttural Growler: As Scorpion, Hanzo's voice takes on a harsh, gravelly quality, especially evident in his iconic "GET OVER HERE!". chairs
  16. Characters.Popeye (Popeye The Sailor) /Guttural Growler: Has a low, gruff voice. chairs
  17. Characters.Regular Show Main Characters ( Muscle Man) /Guttural Growler: Has an exaggeratedly deep, growling voice, in contrast with the light, high voice of Pops and the more monotonous, slightly nasal tone of Benson (all performed by Sam Marin). chairs
  18. Characters.Saints Row The Third Street Saints (Oleg Kirlov) /Guttural Growler: He has a distinct gravelly voice. chairs
  19. Characters.A Song Of Ice And Fire Essos The Dothraki (General) /Guttural Growler: The Dothraki language is described as rough and harsh-sounding. chairs
  20. Characters.Star Wars Zygerria (Darts D'Nar) /Guttural Growler: He snarls and growls like an animal when he speaks. chairs
  21. Characters.Still Waters 1 (American Division Agents/Max Linell) Guttural Growler: His voice is deep and very rough sounding. chairs
  22. Characters.Zeno Clash (Playable Charactrs/Ghat) /Guttural Growler: Has a very harsh, yet actually somewhat quiet voice. Unless he's yelling, then he loses the rasp. chairs

     ZCE (14/50) 
  1. Characters.Arrowverse Hunter Zolomon /Guttural Growler: His disguised voice is even deeper and more demonic than the Reverse-Flash's voice. zce
  2. Characters.Batman Arkham Series Gotham Citizens (Alberto Falcone) /Guttural Growler: When he makes a threatening phone call to Roman Sionis in what sounds like his Holiday Killer persona. ZCE
  3. Characters.Citadel Of The Heart Digimon Re Tamers (Protagonists (canon)|Impmon) /Guttural Growler: How his Beelzemon form maintains his Badass Baritone of a fully evolved Digimon, due to the fact the English Dub of the original series had him constantly slip into his Impmon voice due to how rarely calm he was. ZCE
  4. Characters.Dragon Ball Tournament Characters (Giran) /Guttural Growler: He normally speaks in a deep growl. zce
  5. Characters.Final Fantasy Type 0 ( Marshal Cid Aulstyne) /Guttural Growler: His voice has a decent edge to it. zce
  6. Characters.Halo The Banished (Atriox) /Guttural Growler: Most noticeably when speaking in gameplay. zce
  7. Characters.Highlander (Connor MacLeod) /Guttural Growler: Part of his unique accent is a raspy intonation. zce
  8. Characters.I Am Alive (The Protagonist) /Guttural Growler: Not too deep but deep enough to sound like nails. zce
  9. Characters.Jade Empire (The Black Whirlwind) /Guttural Growler: He speaks with a growling baritone. zce
  10. Characters.Metal Gear Big Boss /Guttural Growler: Like father, like son. zce
  11. Characters.Oz Homeboys (Omar) /Guttural Growler: He has a very gravelly voice. zce
  12. Characters.Play Station All Stars Battle Royale Third Party And DLC (Raiden)/ Gutteral Growler zce
  13. Characters.Spider Man Shattered Dimensions (The Goblin) /Guttural Growler: Less so as a human, but his monster form ramps it up considerably. zce
  14. Characters.Syrellia (Recurring Characters/ A'idhul Rahman) /Guttural Growler: Remarked on a lot, as his voice is completely different from everyone else's. He knows it creeps people out. zce

     Unsure (4/50) 
  1. Characters.ERB Season 3 (Blackbeard) /Guttural Growler: He doesn't talk as much as he roars in the form of words. unsure
  2. Characters.Godzilla The Godzillas (Heisei Godzilla) /Guttural Growler: From 1984 to 1991, this Godzilla had a deeper, aggressive roar more akin to that of the original Godzilla, complete with ferocious growling sounds and snarls. Unsure
  3. Characters.Soul Eater Troubled Souls Project Omega (Primordial Form) /Guttural Growler: All it does is rasp and roar. It precedes the First Form, so it’s even more primitive than that prototype, despite being implied to possess more power. Unsure
  4. Characters.Yakuza 0 Sotenbori Residents (Wen Hai Lee) /Guttural Growler: His huge, muscular build is well-complemented by a coarse, gruff voice. unsure

Solutions:
  • Create a trope where a raspy is voice is used to symbolize the character being tough. Make a male-centric example to a "Tough guy with raspy voice" example and move female examples to Tomboyish Voice. If not, we can create a unisex trope about the general "raspy=tough" idea. (though that might also need a seperate wick check for TV).
  • Rename and redefine the trope (in-line with the first solution)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 2nd 2023 at 2:19:22 PM

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#26: Jul 10th 2023 at 10:12:41 PM

Sorry for the lateness of this. Life and laziness kinda got in the way.

I can relate to that. Don't worry about it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 10th 2023 at 12:12:59 PM

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#27: Jul 15th 2023 at 8:26:57 PM

Bumping the thread, cause I would like people to help add examples on Sandbox.Raspy And Tough.

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#28: Aug 4th 2023 at 4:27:16 AM

[up] Bumping.

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#29: Aug 6th 2023 at 5:48:55 PM

Bumping again.

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#30: Aug 7th 2023 at 4:43:18 AM

Another post, but added three examples (one of them being suggested here). I’ve been browsing some of the wicks for any salvageable examples but unfortunately, most of them are “this character has a raspy voice” examples so it was kinda hard.

Edit: Make that five examples.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Aug 7th 2023 at 7:50:11 PM

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#31: Aug 7th 2023 at 6:08:49 AM

If you are trouble gathering wicks, you can take the sandbox to TLP. You have the minimum requirements needed to start a draft.

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#32: Aug 7th 2023 at 8:23:09 AM

I think taking it to TLP would be a good idea at this point.

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#33: Aug 7th 2023 at 6:33:59 PM

[up] Launched now.

Is it also possible to disambig Guttural Growler once the trope launches?

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#34: Aug 13th 2023 at 2:50:15 AM

Bumping this thread as well the TLP [up].

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#35: Aug 14th 2023 at 1:29:36 PM

Yes, disambiguating Guttural Growler after the TLP stuff is done is fine.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 14th 2023 at 3:30:11 AM

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#36: Aug 22nd 2023 at 8:59:39 PM

If the votes don't change, I'll copy the examples to the sandbox and delete the TLP. Would that be fine?

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#37: Aug 22nd 2023 at 9:01:32 PM

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Should be fine

Edited by Amonimus on Aug 22nd 2023 at 7:02:04 PM

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#38: Sep 2nd 2023 at 3:23:15 AM

Maybe Raspy and Tough should be the disambiguation page, since it sounds more generic.

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#39: Sep 2nd 2023 at 3:31:46 AM

I checked and Raspy And Tough's three most recent hats are from late August, so maybe the draft is just slow-paced instead of dormant, since the fourth hat and the single bomb were from much earlier in the month (all of them coming from after Amonimus's August 22 post in this thread, incidentally).

Edit: The timestamp indicates that that post was made when it was August 23 in most of the world (at the time, it was 11 PM where I live). (Not a big deal; just mentioning it since it'll say August 23 for people who live east of where I live.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 2nd 2023 at 5:36:08 AM

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#40: Sep 9th 2023 at 7:01:19 PM

So the draft now has 3 bombs and 4 hats. At this point, I’m not sure if I can see the Raspy and Tough trope into fruition.

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#41: Sep 23rd 2023 at 5:34:08 PM

[up] If the TLP draft doesn't come into fruition, do we just disambig?

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#42: Sep 25th 2023 at 5:11:57 PM

[up] Fair point.

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#43: Sep 25th 2023 at 9:22:06 PM

[up][up] I think so, since the concept doesn't have a target page.

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#44: Oct 7th 2023 at 1:56:41 AM

Bumping so we can disambiguate the page. The “raspy and tough” idea can be sent to the salvage yard.

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#45: Oct 7th 2023 at 11:14:38 AM

Guttural Growler is a disambig page now. Any other target pages? Should the "deep voice" tropes go on there as well?

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#47: Oct 11th 2023 at 3:40:38 AM

Would it be too much to reverse the order of the rename?

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#48: Oct 11th 2023 at 11:14:14 AM

You mean swap the words in what would have been the renamed trope? It doesn't matter much right now because it didn't make it out of TLP, and more importantly, it lost to Raspy And Tough by votes.

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#49: Nov 17th 2023 at 12:56:27 AM

Finished the Main/ namespace as well as the A-B section.

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#50: Nov 27th 2023 at 10:17:25 PM

Characters/ A-B is now done. 1799 wicks left.

I also made the Rapsy and Tough TLP Up for Grabs, in case wants to tackle it.

Amtgard.The Duchy Of Linnagond has a ghost wick according to the related pages, but the page doesn't exist.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Nov 28th 2023 at 2:19:23 AM

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Trope Repair Shop: Guttural Growler
29th Jun '23 10:31:50 AM

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Consensus was to rename Guttural Growler and retool it to refer to where a raspy voice is used to symbolize the character being tough, and make it a unisex trope about the general "raspy=tough" idea. What should the trope's new name be?

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