Paging ~Jetbent in case they get back; I spoke with the other mods about making this thread if they never got back, since they haven't been online since near the beginning of this month.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 29th 2022 at 7:02:52 AM
Anyway, I think we can just merge with Acceptable Breaks from Reality.
So, are these indexes, or are they example-less supertropes? I ask because both Necessary Weasel and Acceptable Breaks from Reality have a fair number of wicks on work-namespace pages.
They are supposed to be exampless meta tropes I believe.
Anyways, I am good with the merge proposal
Worth noting that at the time Necessary Weasel was created (here's the original YKTTW), and well afterwards
, Acceptable Breaks from Reality described itself as specific to video games (which would, if anything, have made it The Same, but More Specific to Necessary Weasel; note that at the time of the TRS thread linked in the OP Necessary Weasel still described ABFR as the video game equivalent). According to the discussion page it was expanded at the suggestion of a forum thread, but the link provided there no longer works.
(Also note that the original YKTTW suggests that the page quote is not the Trope Namer; the quote seems to have been added to the page sometime between April 2009 and April 2010.)
Since Acceptable Breaks from Reality no longer appears to be specific to video games, such as the first sentence of the description saying "every work of fiction" instead of "every video game", I don't think we need Necessary Weasel anymore. The former at least has a better name and almost five times as many wicks.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 30th 2022 at 8:54:46 AM
Merge NW into ABFR.
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Edited by underCoverSailsman on Oct 30th 2022 at 1:37:49 PM
No On-Page Examples might be a better fit. Generally, "exampleless supertrope" doesn't mean examples are entirely forbidden; just that the trope page doesn't list any because they have a buttload of subtropes and said subtropes usually have examples covered.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 30th 2022 at 1:44:53 PM
The main reason I brought it up was that if we could see the discussion that resulted in broadening ABFR we could see how that thread interpreted the difference between it and Necessary Weasel, though it probably would have been just as confusing as the TRS thread linked in the OP.
Speaking of which, a common thread in that thread seems to be seeing Necessary Weasel as a trope and ABFR as an index, but it's clear that distinction has largely dissolved if it was ever in effect.
Hooked a crowner to decide whether we merge.
Calling in favor of merging Necessary Weasel with Acceptable Breaks from Reality.
Main/ is dewicked and that cut it down from a little above 300 wicks to 207 wicks.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 3rd 2022 at 8:57:44 AM
Some people say this thread was dewicked, so closing. (Disregard the wick on my personal sandbox; that's a draft for next month's Trope Report changelog.)
Crown Description:
Concerns have been raised that Necessary Weasel is redundant with Acceptable Breaks From Reality, on top of having a less clear name. What should be done with Necessary Weasel?
To-do list:
Full wick check work for Necessary Weasel interchangeability with Acceptable Breaks from Reality located at Necessary Weasel Wick Check.
There isn't a clear definition for what a Necessary Weasel is on its own page and there are multiple different and somewhat conflicting definitions on other pages. All of them seem to just be examples of Acceptable Breaks from Reality but as a genre.
I suspect that a Necessary Weasel is just an Acceptable Break from Reality or Willing Suspension of Disbelief trope but with the lingering appeal of a nostalgic Trope Namer. From what I can tell, it doesn't add explanatory power that isn't already encapsulated better elsewhere.
Acceptable Breaks from Reality seems to cover everything that the Necessary Weasel is but without Trope Namer ambiguity. All of the Necessary Weasel examples could easily be moved to a "Genre Specific" folder under Acceptable Breaks from Reality
Varying and contradictory definitions of Necessary Weasel I've found:
For the purpose of categorization, I defined "correct usage" as an acceptable break from reality but specific to a genre.
From my wick check of 51 randomly selected examples:
Wick check:
Wick check work for Necessary Weasel interchangeability with Acceptable Breaks from Reality.There isn't a clear definition for what a Necessary Weasel is on its own page and there are multiple different and somewhat conflicting definitions on other pages. All of them seem to just be examples of Acceptable Breaks from Reality but as a genre. This sandbox is to ascertain if they are in fact interchangeable to determine if Necessary Weasel should be proposed as a folder that rolls up into Acceptable Breaks from Reality ('Genre Specific') rather than its own separate trope.
Used random number generator and manually counted on the relatedsearch page for NecessaryWeasel
For the purpose of categorization, I defined "correct usage" as an acceptable break from reality but specific to a genre.
My thesis/justification thus far ...
Here's the varying and contradictory definitions of Necessary Weasel I've found so far:
So the question that needs clarification... What is a Necessary Weasel?
It's still not clear.
I suspect that a Necessary Weasel is just an Acceptable Break from Reality or Willing Suspension of Disbelief trope but with the lingering appeal of a nostalgic Trope Namer. From what I can tell, it doesn't add explanatory power that isn't already encapsulated better elsewhere.
Acceptable Breaks from Reality seems to cover everything that the Necessary Weasel is but without Trope Namer ambiguity. All of the Necessary Weasel examples could easily be moved to a "Genre Specific" folder under Acceptable Breaks from Reality
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 3rd 2022 at 5:13:19 AM