Thread created as a spin-off of an Ask The Tropers thread
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There have been some recurring problems when it comes to how to refer to a character due to them being potentially transgender, such as Yamato or Snapdragon, or has other circumstances that make their gender identity/pronouns unclear. While in the past each character has gotten their own dedicated thread, the latest problem when it comes to how to interpreted Bridget has raised an opinion that there should be more of a general thread discussing these topics in case any future problems come up. Preferably we should discuss one character at a time before moving up to the next character.
Queries about references to a character's deadname are also on-topic here.
Spoilers in the thread must be tagged.
As a rule of thumb, using they/them in cases where the character's gender is unclear is acceptable.
If someone disregards consensus that was established here, particularly if a character is clearly trans and someone is trying to deny that, it's something to report on Ask The Tropers rather than here.
Spoilers in this "Resolved characters" folder are unmarked.
- General policy on characters who reincarnate/gain new bodies, and have their gender change when they do so (in specific, Eternals (2021), Doctor Who): When discussing a particular incarnation/body, use the pronouns the work and its characters used for the character in that form. When a character has used different pronouns at different times (e.g. for different incarnations), default to they/them pronouns if discussing the character overall. Discussion begins here.
- A from Xenoblade Chronicles 3: Intentionally not addressed by pronouns, use the name A. Discussion begins here
- Acht/Dedf1sh from Splatoon: They/them. Discussion begins here.
- Apep from Genshin Impact: It/its. Discussion begins here.
- Arval from Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes: They/them. Discussion begins here
- Baron Ashura from Mazinger Z: They/them pronouns for their appearance in Super Robot Wars. Discussion begins here.
- Bedman? from Guilty Gear: It/its. Discussion begins here.
- Blitzcrank from League of Legends: They/them pronouns. Discussion begins here.
- Bridget from Guilty Gear: Confirmed to be a trans woman and uses she/her pronouns. Discussion begins in this discussion page thread, then continues in this Ask the Tropers query followed by the first post of this thread.
- Buzam A. "BC" Calessa from Vandread: She/her. Discussion begins here.
- Candy Caramella from Space Goofs: He/him in the original cartoon, she/her when referring to the version of Candy in the spin-off game Stupid Invaders. Discussion begins here.
- Cheese from Sonic the Hedgehog: He/him when referring to the version in the video games, they/them for the version in the IDW comics. Discussion begins here.
- Cho'gath from League of Legends: Both he/him and it/its are fine, as long as the pronoun used is consistent within a given example. Discussion begins here.
- Claude from Claudine: He/him. Discussion begins here.
- Dragona from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: He/him until more information is given. Discussion begins here.
- Enkidu from Fate Series: They/them. Discussion begins here.
- F.F. from Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Stone Ocean: They/them pronouns. Discussion starts here.
- FLUDD from Super Mario Sunshine: It/its pronouns. Discussion starts here.
- Funtime Foxy from Five Nights at Freddy's: Intentionally Ambiguous Gender; he/she pronouns. Discussion starts here and continues here.
- Gabriela from Como dice el dicho: She/her, use the name Gabriela. Discussion begins here.
- Gala Laxi from Dragalia Lost: They/them when referring to the combined entity of Laxi and Mascula. She/her when referring to just Laxi, he/him when referring to just Mascula. Discussion begins here.
- Gozer from Ghostbusters (1984): They/them. Discussion starts here.
- Gwyndolin from Dark Souls: He/him pronouns. Discussion begins here.
- Hassan of Intoxicated Smoke from Fate/Grand Order: He/him pronouns. Discussion starts here.
- Heather Swanson from South Park: "She/her" pronouns (Scare Quotes included). Discussion starts here and continues here.
- Hibari from Stop Hibari Kun: She/her pronouns.
- Juniper from Xenoblade Chronicles 3: They/them pronouns. Discussion starts here.
- Kris from Deltarune: They/them pronouns, and is to be treated as nonbinary unless otherwise stated. This decision was made in this thread.
- Lambert from Cult of the Lamb: They/them. Discussion starts here
- Lor from Borderlands: He/him, use the name Lor. Discussion begins here.
- Mangle from Five Nights at Freddy's: Intentionally Ambiguous Gender; he/she pronouns. Discussion starts here.
- Mordred from Fate Series: She/her, with an Ambiguous Gender Identity entry. Discussion starts here.
- Morpheus Duvall from Resident Evil: Dead Aim: They/them on the Resident Evil - Umbrella Corporation character page. Discussion begins here.
- Omochao from Sonic the Hedgehog: They/them. Discussion begins here.
- Osana Najimi from Komi Can't Communicate: They/them pronouns. Discussion begins here.
- Pamela Incu from Welcome to Demon School! Iruma-kun: He/him. Discussion begins here.
- Phantom Mangle from Five Nights at Freddy's: Intentionally Ambiguous Gender; he/she pronouns. Discussion starts here.
- Prized Isshin Blade from Genshin Impact: He/him. Discussion begins here
- Pokémon in general from Pokémon: Gendered pronouns when discussing a specific individual Pokémon, it/its when discussing a Pokémon species in general. Discussion begins here, is continued here.
- La Pucelle from Magical Girl Raising Project: He/him in civilian form, she/her when transformed into a magical girl. Discussion begins here.
- Snapdragon from High Guardian Spice: They/them pronouns. This decision was made in this thread via crowner.
- Stella Lulu from Magical Girl Raising Project: He/him in civilian form, she/her when transformed into a magical girl. Discussion begins here.
- Sui from Campfire Cooking in Another World with My Absurd Skill: It/its. Discussion begins here.
- Takatsuki from Wandering Son: He/him except for when discussing the end of the manga beneath spoiler tags. In that case, she/her. Discussion begins here
- Terri from Amphibia: They/them. Discussion begins here
- Thailand from Scandinavia and the World: They/them, per what's used on this official FAQ page.
- The Toaster from The Brave Little Toaster: He/him pronouns. This decision was made in this thread.
- Topa from The Orville: she/her outside Recap pages, pronouns at time of episode on Recap. Discussion begins here.
- Vennia from Cafe Enchante: Both he/him and they/them are fine, as long as the pronoun used is consistent within a given example. Discussion begins here.
- The vessels (the Knight, the Hollow Knight, the Broken Vessel, and the other void siblings) from Hollow Knight: It/its. Discussion begins here, is continued here.
- Vivian from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door: She/her pronouns. Due to Adaptational Gender Identity, whether she's transgender or cisgender depends on the localization. Discussion begins here.
- Yamato from One Piece: He/him pronouns. This decision was decided in this thread via crowner.
- Yena from Seton Academy: Join the Pack!: He/him pronouns. Discussion begins here.
Edited by Bisected8 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 1:16:38 PM
Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they)
Machine translation is not a reliable source for this kind of thing. It can and will replace neutral pronouns with "he" or "she" (especially in contexts when it decides the associated verb implies a gender stereotype).
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That too.
Edited by Noaqiyeum on Jul 31st 2023 at 4:53:21 PM
The Revolution Will Not Be Tropeable
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Translation tools can also occasionally replace "he" with "she" and vice versa; they're just not always reliable in general.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
She / Her
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(x3) Besides and, I'd take stuff like that with a grain of salt partly because (from what I know at least) pronouns in Japanese work differently than pronouns in English.
EDIT:No problem.
Edited by RandomTroper123 on Aug 1st 2023 at 7:28:55 AM
I know that. Thanks , , and for reminding me.
There are no pronouns in Rem's profile. It says Rem is a girl(?), has androgynous looks, and Rem's gender is unknown along with a lot of other information like being human or not. If we were just translating from the profile, it might be a different situation, but the localization has chosen she/her, so I think that should be used. But Ambiguous Gender still applies. Kind of like Fi from Skyward Sword.
Oh, I didn't notice that there were no pronouns on her page. I'm still learning Japanese, but I do know that Japanese is a pro-drop language (meaning that it is possible to omit pronouns entirely). So thanks for that insight.
Like I said, I think we can go with she/her for now (with the Ambiguous Gender entry), until something else comes up otherwise (like the hypothetical TX sequel everyone has been speculating).
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Captain Cryptic
Is a Deleted Scene for a work sufficient confirmation for what pronouns a character uses? Transformers: EarthSpark just had some storyboards for deleted scenes uploaded online that use she/her for Ravage; previous edits referring to the character used he/him due to Ravage using those pronouns in previous Transformers works and the character being unable to speak.
he/him
That feels more like What Could Have Been or something similar if it's not in the final work?
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Is there any particular reason why the pronouns would be different that couldn't be explained by an unfinished script or something?
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
When talking about Pokémon species that are all male or all female, some people use "he" or "she" when talking about the entire species. However, I personally prefer using "it" when referring to all Pokémon species collectively and only using "he" or "she" when talking about an individual Pokémon. How should wiki policy go for this?
(she/her)
^ That's what we decided to do per consensus. Pokémon is already in the resolved character folder on the pinned post.
"Gendered pronouns when discussing a specific individual Pokémon, it/its when discussing a Pokémon species in general."
Macron's notes
Okay then. I will change that when I see it.
Logic Girl
What about Gozer, the Big Bad of Ghostbusters (1984)?
Some people use she/her, since it took the form of a woman, while others use they/them because it's explicitly stated to be able to take the form of whatever gender it wants, and others use it/its because it's a demon.
I personally vote in favour of it/its.
For every low there is a high.
Disasturbator
-Googles because I know little of Gozer-
Genderless,therefore They/Them
Edited by Ultimatum on Aug 10th 2023 at 10:44:46 AM
New theme music also a box
Friends forevermore
Re: Pokémon
Remember that it's very rare (outside Mystery Dungeon) for a Pokémon to regularly be referred to by gendered pronouns. Ash's Pikachu is "it" 99% of the time, not "he".
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
Planeswalker
They/them for Gozer.
Oissu!
He/Him
Also going with They/Them for Gozer.
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they)
Also vote they/them for Gozer, but I'll make at least a joking suggestion of (go)ze/zer.
The Revolution Will Not Be Tropeable
he/him
They/them for Gozer ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Added Gozer to the header since we've had plenty of votes in favor of they/them.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 12th 2023 at 4:54:36 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Since Yena from Seton Academy: Join the Pack! was voted to use male pronouns, shouldn't the character page be updated to reflect this?
Edited by Arawn999 on Aug 13th 2023 at 6:41:00 AM
He/Him
Yes
OK... I don't think I missed anything.
Since Rem has been solved, can you also add her to the top post with this:
- Rem from Tokyo Xanadu: She/her (with an Ambiguous Gender entry)
So update on Rem. I was looking her profile
, and when I used google translate, it suddenly referred to her with he/him at the second to last paragraph. I took to DeepL to see I could get a more accurate and it also referred to her with he/him at the second to last paragraph. Don’t know how that happened tbh.
Anyways, with enough consensus, I think we’ll refer to Rem with she/her until something else comes up (like the hypothetical TX sequel people have been speculating about).
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