Thread created as a spin-off of an Ask The Tropers thread
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There have been some recurring problems when it comes to how to refer to a character due to them being potentially transgender, such as Yamato or Snapdragon, or has other circumstances that make their gender identity/pronouns unclear. While in the past each character has gotten their own dedicated thread, the latest problem when it comes to how to interpreted Bridget has raised an opinion that there should be more of a general thread discussing these topics in case any future problems come up. Preferably we should discuss one character at a time before moving up to the next character.
Queries about references to a character's deadname are also on-topic here.
Spoilers in the thread must be tagged.
As a rule of thumb, using they/them in cases where the character's gender is unclear is acceptable.
If someone disregards consensus that was established here, particularly if a character is clearly trans and someone is trying to deny that, it's something to report on Ask The Tropers rather than here.
Spoilers in this "Resolved characters" folder are unmarked.
- General policy on characters who reincarnate/gain new bodies, and have their gender change when they do so (in specific, Eternals (2021), Doctor Who): When discussing a particular incarnation/body, use the pronouns the work and its characters used for the character in that form. When a character has used different pronouns at different times (e.g. for different incarnations), default to they/them pronouns if discussing the character overall. Discussion begins here.
- A from Xenoblade Chronicles 3: Intentionally not addressed by pronouns, use the name A. Discussion begins here
- Acht/Dedf1sh from Splatoon: They/them. Discussion begins here.
- Apep from Genshin Impact: It/its. Discussion begins here.
- Arval from Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes: They/them. Discussion begins here
- Baron Ashura from Mazinger Z: They/them pronouns for their appearance in Super Robot Wars. Discussion begins here.
- Bedman? from Guilty Gear: It/its. Discussion begins here.
- Blitzcrank from League of Legends: They/them pronouns. Discussion begins here.
- Bridget from Guilty Gear: Confirmed to be a trans woman and uses she/her pronouns. Discussion begins in this discussion page thread, then continues in this Ask the Tropers query followed by the first post of this thread.
- Buzam A. "BC" Calessa from Vandread: She/her. Discussion begins here.
- Candy Caramella from Space Goofs: He/him in the original cartoon, she/her when referring to the version of Candy in the spin-off game Stupid Invaders. Discussion begins here.
- Cheese from Sonic the Hedgehog: He/him when referring to the version in the video games, they/them for the version in the IDW comics. Discussion begins here.
- Cho'gath from League of Legends: Both he/him and it/its are fine, as long as the pronoun used is consistent within a given example. Discussion begins here.
- Claude from Claudine: He/him. Discussion begins here.
- Dragona from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: He/him until more information is given. Discussion begins here.
- Enkidu from Fate Series: They/them. Discussion begins here.
- F.F. from Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Stone Ocean: They/them pronouns. Discussion starts here.
- FLUDD from Super Mario Sunshine: It/its pronouns. Discussion starts here.
- Funtime Foxy from Five Nights at Freddy's: Intentionally Ambiguous Gender; he/she pronouns. Discussion starts here and continues here.
- Gabriela from Como dice el dicho: She/her, use the name Gabriela. Discussion begins here.
- Gala Laxi from Dragalia Lost: They/them when referring to the combined entity of Laxi and Mascula. She/her when referring to just Laxi, he/him when referring to just Mascula. Discussion begins here.
- Gozer from Ghostbusters (1984): They/them. Discussion starts here.
- Gwyndolin from Dark Souls: He/him pronouns. Discussion begins here.
- Hassan of Intoxicated Smoke from Fate/Grand Order: He/him pronouns. Discussion starts here.
- Heather Swanson from South Park: "She/her" pronouns (Scare Quotes included). Discussion starts here and continues here.
- Hibari from Stop Hibari Kun: She/her pronouns.
- Juniper from Xenoblade Chronicles 3: They/them pronouns. Discussion starts here.
- Kris from Deltarune: They/them pronouns, and is to be treated as nonbinary unless otherwise stated. This decision was made in this thread.
- Lambert from Cult of the Lamb: They/them. Discussion starts here
- Lor from Borderlands: He/him, use the name Lor. Discussion begins here.
- Mangle from Five Nights at Freddy's: Intentionally Ambiguous Gender; he/she pronouns. Discussion starts here.
- Mordred from Fate Series: She/her, with an Ambiguous Gender Identity entry. Discussion starts here.
- Morpheus Duvall from Resident Evil: Dead Aim: They/them on the Resident Evil - Umbrella Corporation character page. Discussion begins here.
- Omochao from Sonic the Hedgehog: They/them. Discussion begins here.
- Osana Najimi from Komi Can't Communicate: They/them pronouns. Discussion begins here.
- Pamela Incu from Welcome to Demon School! Iruma-kun: He/him. Discussion begins here.
- Phantom Mangle from Five Nights at Freddy's: Intentionally Ambiguous Gender; he/she pronouns. Discussion starts here.
- Prized Isshin Blade from Genshin Impact: He/him. Discussion begins here
- Pokémon in general from Pokémon: Gendered pronouns when discussing a specific individual Pokémon, it/its when discussing a Pokémon species in general. Discussion begins here, is continued here.
- La Pucelle from Magical Girl Raising Project: He/him in civilian form, she/her when transformed into a magical girl. Discussion begins here.
- Snapdragon from High Guardian Spice: They/them pronouns. This decision was made in this thread via crowner.
- Stella Lulu from Magical Girl Raising Project: He/him in civilian form, she/her when transformed into a magical girl. Discussion begins here.
- Sui from Campfire Cooking in Another World with My Absurd Skill: It/its. Discussion begins here.
- Takatsuki from Wandering Son: He/him except for when discussing the end of the manga beneath spoiler tags. In that case, she/her. Discussion begins here
- Terri from Amphibia: They/them. Discussion begins here
- Thailand from Scandinavia and the World: They/them, per what's used on this official FAQ page.
- The Toaster from The Brave Little Toaster: He/him pronouns. This decision was made in this thread.
- Topa from The Orville: she/her outside Recap pages, pronouns at time of episode on Recap. Discussion begins here.
- Vennia from Cafe Enchante: Both he/him and they/them are fine, as long as the pronoun used is consistent within a given example. Discussion begins here.
- The vessels (the Knight, the Hollow Knight, the Broken Vessel, and the other void siblings) from Hollow Knight: It/its. Discussion begins here, is continued here.
- Vivian from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door: She/her pronouns. Due to Adaptational Gender Identity, whether she's transgender or cisgender depends on the localization. Discussion begins here.
- Yamato from One Piece: He/him pronouns. This decision was decided in this thread via crowner.
- Yena from Seton Academy: Join the Pack!: He/him pronouns. Discussion begins here.
Edited by Bisected8 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 1:16:38 PM
Would it be best to just put a rule of thumb they/them for cases like these just for quick reference? No horse in this race, but might be helpful for some if the more open-and-shut cases.
Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they)
Tief girl with eartude
Sounds like a useful thing to clarify.
TV Tropes's No. 1 bread themed lesbian. she/her, fae/faer
Sounds good.
Trans rights are human rights.
(she/her)
Added "As a rule of thumb, using they/them in cases where the character's gender is unclear is acceptable." to the header.
Macron's notes
She / Her
That sounds fine to me in general.
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Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
Late on this, but
he/him
Adding a
No longer active.
Seventhing
Sounds good to me.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Macron already added that line to the header four days ago, so we should probably get back to using the thread for its intended purpose. And either way, I don't think she was holding a vote to begin with because she said that she added the line, not that she was asking whether to add it
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 4th 2023 at 5:42:39 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
Got it, apologies Gaston. Will rerail.
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Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they)
Is this a good time for me to bring up Hollow Knight again, then? I'd still like to push it to a resolution.
I don't know Hollow Knight too well but if the game uses "it" then we should use "it".
Edited by Perseus on Apr 4th 2023 at 9:48:26 PM
Trans rights are human rights.
Agreed.
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i'm at the combination she and it
this one shouldn't be too much of a concern; omochao has historically been referred to as he/him, but sega has enacted a new policy recently that all chao are gender-neutral, with omochao using they/them pronouns in The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog. would it be okay to change their entry on Characters.Sonic The Hedgehog Recurring Characters to reflect that? want to ask so it isn't unilateral
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for they/them for Omochao. Is this also seen with other notable Chao such as Cheese?
i'm at the combination she and it
cheese is referred to as they/them in the IDW comics, but this hasn't come up in the games yet as far as i'm aware. the policy does seem to be that all chao are gender-neutral, so if cheese or other notable chao were to have a role in a new sonic game they'd probably use they/them there, but it'd be best to wait until it happens i think
Edited by NoUsername on Apr 5th 2023 at 5:19:06 AM
They/them for Omochao. Game!Cheese should stay he/him for now just to be safe, but IDW!Cheese should be referred to with they/them if they aren't already.
In Campfire Cooking in Another World with My Absurd Skill, would Sui be they/them, or it/its?
The light novel uses "it/its" for Sui, whereas the anime adaptation uses "it/them/him" interchangeably (there's some leeway based on the particular translation and subtitle source, but the actual dubbing seems fairly gender-neutral).
For reference, Sui a genderless slime, who, when asked whether they were a boy or a girl, responded with "Sui is a Sui".
Edited by techno156 on Apr 5th 2023 at 11:40:53 PM
the Retromancer
Is this 2020 article the source or there is a new one, for reference?
What's also noteworthy about this news is that it’s not a lone writer making guesswork of Sonic lore, but SEGA themselves made it policy to refer to all Chao this way. We see here that SEGA is still very much involved in and concerned with how the series is portrayed in media outside of the games, and they are willing to make changes or outright retcon things
I just went ahead and nipped this in the bud by adding "they/them" to the header because I'm getting Single-Issue Wonk vibes from the push for "he/she".
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 30th 2023 at 8:57:45 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.