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In order to properly evaluate a Hate Sink candidate, the following questions must be answered.

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What is the work?

State the work and which medium it is a part of, as well as what the work is about.

Who is the character, and what do they do?

State who the character is, and what courses of action they take.

What makes them personally despicable?

State the specific reasons they are despicable, such as petty behaviour and personal villainy.

Evil Is Cool traits? Complexity? Freudian Excuse?

State whether or not the character has any traits which get in the way of them being despicable, and if so, whether said traits are de-emphasised in favour of their despicable behaviour.

Verdict?

State whether or not you believe the criteria are met.

In order for this trope to be in effect, the character in question must actually display detestable qualities, and be hated by other characters at least, or treated by the narrative like someone you are supposed to hate. The author’s declared intent cements an example, but is not needed if the narrative itself treats the character as someone who is supposed to be hated.

Haman the Agagite, for instance, displays qualities of ego, bigotry, and pettiness; additionally, there is a custom of jeering at his name’s mere mention. It goes without saying, according to this thread, that Haman was intended to be despised by the audience. Being a Draco in Leather Pants, like Draco Malfoy, or a character people Love to Hate, like Joffrey Baratheon, doesn’t preclude being a Hate Sink; being a Complete Monster, like Haman, certainly doesn't preclude this trope either.

The main concern is whether the narrative treats the character as someone intended to be despised.

With regards to this trope, actions still generally speak louder than words. The format of editing which brings up characters who don't fit the bill, doesn't generally go into enough detail with regards to what makes these characters loathsome.

The entries for this trope should focus on who does qualify, not the characters who do not.

Admittedly, this trope is less complex, but, because a Hate Sink carries out loathsome actions the same way a Complete Monster carries out evil actions, and a Magnificent Bastard carries out clever actions, it is ostensibly necessary to write these entries with a similar structure, albeit usually with a shorter paragraph.

Edited by gjjones on May 28th 2019 at 5:46:22 AM

Kylotrope The Good Doctor
The Good Doctor
Aug 28th 2019 at 12:33:17 AM

Yeah, I feel the need to stress how this isn't a YMMV trope for a reason.

Cut them Down and Make them Holy, forgiven on this ground solely
MasterJoseph Shipping FrolaytiaXQwenthur of Heavy Object. Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Shipping FrolaytiaXQwenthur of Heavy Object.
Aug 28th 2019 at 1:00:27 AM

Indeed.

Simply being a fan does NOT disqualify a candidate.

Woobie Slayer
IukaSylvie from Kyoto, Japan Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Aug 28th 2019 at 1:31:34 AM

Abstain on Scar.

The fact that this is not a YMMV trope is the reason why I asked if a character with limited screentime can still be an example. I'd say that the character in question's actions are pretty despicable, though.

The Woobie Drafts; Pending Woobie Writeups
G-Editor 300 episodes aired from Where do you think? Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
300 episodes aired
Aug 28th 2019 at 1:38:35 AM

Guys don't forget to vote for Marjorie

Edited by G-Editor on Aug 27th 2019 at 10:40:03 PM

300 more episodes to go.
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
AustinDR Smile and the whole world smiles. from Fresh and ready for life.
Smile and the whole world smiles.
Aug 28th 2019 at 8:40:17 AM

Draft for Harald Karstark.

  • Harald Karstark became head of House Karstark after his father's execution. Unlike his father's motivation of avenging his sons, Harald showed no care for his brothers, allying with the Lannister-affiliated Boltons even though his father wanted nothing to do with the Lannisters. Agreeing with a plan to breach the Night's Watch's neutrality by killing their Lord Commander, Harald also showed little care for his liege lord, standing by while Ramsay Bolton murdered his father, stepmother and newborn half-brother, then demanded that the Boltons' maester address Ramsay as "Lord Bolton". It's implied that Karstark is also a pedophile. Throughout his brief screen time, Harald Karstark showed himself to be a Professional Butt-Kisser who crossed lines that his father would not, and died an ignominious death.

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
Riley1sCool How... dramatic. from On the planet. In space. Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
How... dramatic.
Aug 28th 2019 at 9:03:40 AM

I'm gonna give a yes to Scar. Absolutely charismatic, cool, stylish, charming, and clearly meant for the audience to hate him. Evil Is Cool is not an incompatibility. (Hell, my favorite use of a Hate Sink, Gideon Graves from Scott Pilgrim, is extremely Creepy Awesome.)

Dwight, are you my Stalin?
Aug 28th 2019 at 9:15:19 AM

I also have a new EP for Harry Potter:

Who is the Candidate and What Do They Do?

Marvolo Gaunt is the patriarch of the House of Gaunt, and father of Merope and Morfin Gaunt. He is also the grandfather of Tom Marvolo Riddle, better known as Lord Voldemort. Last of the descendants of Salazar Slytherin, his family's practice of inbreeding via Kissing Cousins caused unstable personalities, violent tendencies and sapping of magical abilities to flourish through the generations.

When we meet him, Marvolo has been reduced to living in a cottage with his two children, with only two heirlooms, a ring and a locket, that he prized just as much as his son and more than his daughter. Marvolo saw his daughter as a useless Squib (Muggle Born of Mages) and would belittle and throttle his daughter in turns while Morfin sat and laughed; a bit of a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy since his abuse suppressed her magical abilities.

One night, Morfin accosted a Muggle named Tom Riddle and casts a curse on him that results in him being covered with painful hives. When an Auror named Bob Ogden is sent to deal with the matter, Marvolo dismisses any accusation that Morfin has broken the law and refuses any attempts at a reasonable discussion while yelling at Merope for dropping and subsequently smashing a pot. During the confrontation, Morfin informs his father that Merope has feelings for Tom Riddle, causing Marvolo to start strangling Merope with his bare hands. Ogden forces Marvolo to release Merope and immediately leaves, returning with reinforcements. Both Marvolo and Morfin were overpowered and sentenced to Azkaban for assaulting law enforcement, resisting arrest, and contempt of court among other charges.

Six months later, Marvolo was released from prison and returned home, expecting Merope to welcome him with open arms and a hot meal. Instead, he learned that she had fled home at the first opportunity, marrying (by seduction) Tom Riddle, the muggle Morfin had cursed. Marvolo's shock was such that he never mentioned Merope again, and he would die less than three years later (when Morfin was released) from a combination of shock, being weakened from Azkaban, and possibly never learning to feed himself.

What makes him personally heinous?

He's an Abusive Dad to Merope and Politically Incorrect Villain, and thoroughly unreasonable as evidenced by his belligerent attitude towards Ogden. Furthermore, the abuse that he gave to Merope led her to find happiness through... other means, namely by seducing Tom Riddle (Voldemort's father) via Love Potion; when Riddle left Merope, she fell into despair and died giving birth to his son, who would become Lord Voldemort. Because Tom Marvolo Riddle did not understand love because of his mother's death and the lack of love she had been shown throughout her life which caused her despair, he became the psychotic Evil Overlord known as Lord Voldemort. So Marvolo's abuse of Merope led to three decades of misery for the Wizarding World as Voldemort sought power and immortality by the most heinous means possible.

Verdict?

His abusive conduct led to two wars via Voldemort's mad struggle for power and while both his children are seen as tragically pathetic figures (Merope in particular while Morfin is stated to have not deserved having his mind altered), Marvolo is not.

Edited by k410ren on Aug 28th 2019 at 12:42:36 PM

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
KazuyaProta Porky from A Industrial Farm Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
AustinDR Smile and the whole world smiles. from Fresh and ready for life.
Smile and the whole world smiles.
Aug 28th 2019 at 11:39:57 AM

Will do the Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark (2019) candidates' writeups soon. For now, here's The Hunchback of Notre Dame:

What is the work?

The Hunchback of Notre Dame is the 34th entry in the Disney Animated Canon based on the Victor Hugo novel of the same name. While it changes a lot from the original novel, it is nevertheless one of the darkest films that the animation studios had released.

Who is the candidate? What has he done?

Judge Claude Frollo is the Minister of Justice of the setting, but ironically, is one of the more corrupt characters in the film. Frollo is a deeply religious man dedicated to overseeing the complete eradication of the Gypsy race. Frollo is introduced in the film by chasing Quasimodo's mother and killing her on the steps of Notre Dame under the impression that she had stolen goods. Seeing that it was actually a baby, Frollo is disgusted by its appearance and goes to drown it in a well. Thankfully before he could do the deed, the Archdeacon stops him and forces him to care for the child under the threat of eternal damnation. And so, Frollo names the child Quasimodo — meaning half-formed — and emotionally and mentally abuses him by making him believe that he was a monster and that his mother cruelly abandoned him.

Eventually, the Gypsy girl Esmeralda comes into the picture when she saves Quasimodo when he was being pelted with produce during the Festival of Fools (which Frollo doesn't bother to stop as he thought it would teach Quasimodo a lesson in attending the festivities against his orders). Much like in the original novel, Frollo began to develop an obsession with Esmeralda, such as sniffing her hair and then trying to claim that he was just imagining a rope around her beautiful neck, and of course playing it off as Esmeralda being the one to have unholy thoughts. But for the most part, Frollo was unable to acquire Esmeralda due to her being protected by Notre Dame (sanctuary!). But when he gets word from one of his men that she had escaped, Frollo wastes no time in declaring that he was going to find her even if he had to burn down all of Paris to accomplish this.

While looking for Esmeralda, Frollo also goes to different houses he suspects were housing Gypsies. When one such house claims that they were innocent? Frollo traps them inside and tries to get Phoebus to set it ablaze. When he refuses, Frollo takes the torch and sets the windmill on fire which spreads to the house. Thankfully, Phoebus manages to save the family inside, but he is nearly executed for his troubles. Frollo returns to the bell tower, and having realized that Quasimodo helped Esmeralda escape, uses him to lead him to the Court of Miracles, a safe haven for the Gypsies. He then sentences Esmeralda to burn...but offers her a way out of it by either choosing him or the fire. She spits in his face instead, so that pretty much seals it. Quasimodo swings in the nick of time and saves Esmeralda...but it would seem that he was too late. Frollo arrives with a dagger behind his back, saying that [she'd] bother them no longer. Quasimodo catches his hand and when Esmeralda awakens, the two run as Frollo readied his sword.

On the roof of Notre Dame, Frollo reveals to Quasimodo that his mother died trying to protect him, and that he was going to do what he should've done twenty years ago. The two dangle on the edge of Notre Dame with Esmeralda holding onto Quasimodo's arm. Frollo uses this to his advantage and swings to a neighboring gargoyle. Laughing with sword in hands, Frollo raises his sword to strike Esmeralda with one last taunt of "And he shall smite the wicked and plunge them into the fiery pit!" Unfortunately for him, the gargoyle (that he previously struck at) starts to give underneath his weight and as he was trying to hold on for dear life, the gargoyle ambiguously comes to life before him, and with one final scream, Frollo falls into the molten lead in the street below.

What makes him personally despicable?

A Politically Incorrect Villain who actively tries to commit genocide on a race of people he dislikes for one? Or that he was willing to drown a baby and then later raises said baby not out of remorse for murdering its mother, but to save his own soul. Or then not so subtly wanting to rape Esmeralda, in the most G-rated way that Disney could let slip.

Freudian Excuse? Complexity? Evil Is Cool?

Frollo is complex as unlike a majority of Disney Villains who openly acknowledge their evil, Frollo at first is sternly convinced that his deeds were righteous. At least until the kickass musical segment "Hellfire" where he gets the slightest idea that maybe he was in the wrong the entire time ("God have mercy on her/God have mercy on me"). At least until he doubles down on it with "Or she will be mine, or she will burn!" He has no excuse for his actions; he is just convinced that he is a deeply pious man doing God's work.

As for EIC, Frollo was deliberately meant to be despised by the producers of the film. In the original tale, Frollo was the archdeacon and was understandably more sympathetic in his motivations and was no where near as evil as his Disney counterpart. However, most likely as a means of not offending the Catholic Church, Disney made the archdeacon into a separate character and increased Frollo's evilness. Aside from the awesome song "Hellfire" and his Deadpan Snarker moments, or his Draco in Leather Pants status, that all largely falls on audience reactions rather than authorial intent.

Edited by AustinDR on Aug 28th 2019 at 11:41:51 AM

Why you little-!
Kylotrope The Good Doctor
The Good Doctor
Aug 28th 2019 at 11:43:06 AM

Easy [tup] to Frollo

Cut them Down and Make them Holy, forgiven on this ground solely
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Aug 28th 2019 at 12:03:55 PM

[tup] Frollo due to Word of God backing him up, if I remember correctly.

You don't mean no-nothing at all to me...
G-Editor 300 episodes aired from Where do you think? Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
300 episodes aired
Aug 28th 2019 at 12:47:14 PM

[tup] to Frollo and Gaunt

Guys anyone else voting for Marjorie. So far I only got 4 [tup] and I need a few more to do her write up. You should ignore someone’s proposals

Edited by G-Editor on Aug 28th 2019 at 9:48:21 AM

300 more episodes to go.
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from The Zenith Theater Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
Aug 28th 2019 at 12:49:18 PM

[up] You only need 3 more upvotes than downvotes. You are good to go. I already voted yes.

Whoever did this is trying to control us, and it might be a game to him, but to us it's life or death!
Kylotrope The Good Doctor
The Good Doctor
Aug 28th 2019 at 12:50:41 PM

@G-Editor

Yeah we only do 3 instead of 7

Cut them Down and Make them Holy, forgiven on this ground solely
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from The Zenith Theater Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
Aug 28th 2019 at 1:12:52 PM

Anyways, I am adding these entries to the draft.

I am having the James Bond page cut due to being below the entry limit. It should redirect to the main film page.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 28th 2019 at 4:14:56 AM

Whoever did this is trying to control us, and it might be a game to him, but to us it's life or death!
G-Editor 300 episodes aired from Where do you think? Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
300 episodes aired
Aug 28th 2019 at 3:12:01 PM

If that's the case

  • Bernie gives us Marjorie "Marge" Nugent, who's universally despised in the town of Carthage for her awful jerkass behavior. Though she becomes fond of Bernie for comforting her when her recently passed, she soon becomes extremely abusive and possessive of him insulting him every day, chewing every bite 25 just to unease him, making him do errands and chores for her, quit his job, forcing him to kill an armadillo, and trapping him in her property when he tries to leave. Bernie would eventually snap from Marjorie's horrid treatment and shoot her four times In the Back killing her, to when the town found out nine months later they were more concern that Bernie would go to prison rather than Marjorie was killed.

Edited by G-Editor on Aug 28th 2019 at 12:13:18 AM

300 more episodes to go.
AustinDR Smile and the whole world smiles. from Fresh and ready for life.
Smile and the whole world smiles.
Aug 28th 2019 at 4:44:03 PM

  • The Hunchback of Notre Dame: Judge Claude Frollo murders Quasimodo's mother before trying to drown him as a baby when he was stopped by the archdeacon. After emotionally and psychologically abusing him, Frollo lusts after Esmeralda later burning sections of Paris in an effort to find her. He then attempts to burn her alive and reveals the truth about Quasimodo's mother to his adopted son before declaring that he was going to do what he should've done twenty years ago.
  • Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark (2019):
    • Tommy Milner is the Bastard Boyfriend of Ruth Steinberg who tried to get revenge on Stella, Chuck, and Auggie over a prank and locks them and his own girlfriend in a secret room at the Bellows estate. He calls Ramon a "wetback" before vandalizing his car, and abuses the scarecrow Harold whom he often vents his rage out on.
    • The elite Bellows family were the owners of several paper mills in the town. Amassing their wealth over the deaths of the town's children when mercury seeped into the water supply, they make the abused Sarah their scapegoat with her brother Ephraim gaslighting her into believing that she was responsible and torturing her whenever she didn't comply.

Why you little-!
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from The Zenith Theater Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
Stellarvore Miss me? Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
Miss me?
Aug 28th 2019 at 6:34:25 PM

Speaking of how audience reactions are irrelevant, I saw that there's a Hate Sink entry for Freddy Krueger that was written before this thread was created? What do you all think? Personally, I say cut. The sequels intentionally make him way too fun to hate.

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from The Zenith Theater Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Riley1sCool How... dramatic. from On the planet. In space. Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
How... dramatic.
Aug 28th 2019 at 6:41:37 PM

Easy yes to Frollo and Gaunt. Frollo in particular, as much as I love Tony Jay, and as amazing as "Hellfire" is, holy shit, what a fucking bastard.

Krueger, I'm willing to see anti-EP.

Edited by Riley1sCool on Aug 28th 2019 at 6:42:02 AM

Dwight, are you my Stalin?
Stellarvore Miss me? Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
Miss me?
Aug 28th 2019 at 7:36:02 PM

I'm gonna have to rewatch the movies, then. Luckily, they're on Shudder, and I was planning to do just that. Gonna skip New Nightmare, though, because that wasn't even Freddy.

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