Hate Sink cleanup

Yeah, I feel the need to stress how this isn't a YMMV trope for a reason.

Indeed.

Simply being a fan does NOT disqualify a candidate.

Abstain on Scar.

The fact that this is not a YMMV trope is the reason why I asked if a character with limited screentime can still be an example. I'd say that the character in question's actions are pretty despicable, though.

Guys don't forget to vote for Marjorie

Edited by G-Editor on Aug 27th 2019 at 10:40:03 PM

Scar. Audience Reactions are irrelevant.

Scar.

Draft for Harald Karstark.

• Harald Karstark became head of House Karstark after his father's execution. Unlike his father's motivation of avenging his sons, Harald showed no care for his brothers, allying with the Lannister-affiliated Boltons even though his father wanted nothing to do with the Lannisters. Agreeing with a plan to breach the Night's Watch's neutrality by killing their Lord Commander, Harald also showed little care for his liege lord, standing by while Ramsay Bolton murdered his father, stepmother and newborn half-brother, then demanded that the Boltons' maester address Ramsay as "Lord Bolton". It's implied that Karstark is also a pedophile. Throughout his brief screen time, Harald Karstark showed himself to be a Professional Butt-Kisser who crossed lines that his father would not, and died an ignominious death.

I'm gonna give a yes to Scar. Absolutely charismatic, cool, stylish, charming, and clearly meant for the audience to hate him. Evil Is Cool is not an incompatibility. (Hell, my favorite use of a Hate Sink, Gideon Graves from Scott Pilgrim, is extremely Creepy Awesome.)

I also have a new EP for Harry Potter:

Who is the Candidate and What Do They Do?

Marvolo Gaunt is the patriarch of the House of Gaunt, and father of Merope and Morfin Gaunt. He is also the grandfather of Tom Marvolo Riddle, better known as Lord Voldemort. Last of the descendants of Salazar Slytherin, his family's practice of inbreeding via Kissing Cousins caused unstable personalities, violent tendencies and sapping of magical abilities to flourish through the generations.

When we meet him, Marvolo has been reduced to living in a cottage with his two children, with only two heirlooms, a ring and a locket, that he prized just as much as his son and more than his daughter. Marvolo saw his daughter as a useless Squib (Muggle Born of Mages) and would belittle and throttle his daughter in turns while Morfin sat and laughed; a bit of a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy since his abuse suppressed her magical abilities.

One night, Morfin accosted a Muggle named Tom Riddle and cast a curse on him that resulted in him being covered with painful hives. When an Auror named Bob Ogden is sent to deal with the matter, Marvolo dismissed any accusation that Morfin has broken the law and refused any attempts at a reasonable discussion while yelling at Merope for dropping and subsequently smashing a pot (which was repaired by Ogden). During the confrontation, Morfin informed his father that Merope has feelings for Tom Riddle, causing Marvolo to start strangling Merope with his bare hands. Ogden forced Marvolo to release Merope and immediately left, returning with reinforcements. Both Marvolo and Morfin were overpowered and sentenced to Azkaban for assaulting law enforcement, resisting arrest, and contempt of court among other charges.

Six months later, Marvolo was released from prison and returned home, expecting Merope to welcome him with open arms and a hot meal. Instead, he learned that she had fled home at the first opportunity, marrying (by seduction) Tom Riddle, the muggle Morfin had cursed. Marvolo's shock was such that he never mentioned Merope again, and he would die less than three years later (when Morfin was released) from a combination of shock, being weakened from Azkaban, and possibly never learning to feed himself.

What makes him personally heinous?

He's an Abusive Dad to Merope and Politically Incorrect Villain, and thoroughly unreasonable as evidenced by his belligerent attitude towards Ogden. Furthermore, the abuse that he gave to Merope led her to find happiness through... other means, namely by seducing Tom Riddle (Voldemort's father) via Love Potion; when Riddle left Merope, she fell into despair and died giving birth to his son, who would become Lord Voldemort. Because Tom Marvolo Riddle did not understand love because of his mother's death and the lack of love she had been shown throughout her life which caused her despair, he became the psychotic Evil Overlord known as Lord Voldemort. So Marvolo's abuse of Merope led to three decades of misery for the Wizarding World as Voldemort sought power and immortality by the most heinous means possible.

Verdict?

His abusive conduct led to two wars via Voldemort's mad struggle for power and while both his children are seen as tragically pathetic figures (Merope in particular while Morfin is stated to have not deserved having his mind altered), Marvolo is not.

Edited by k410ren on Mar 29th 2022 at 2:14:28 PM

Marvolo Gaunt

Will do the Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark (2019) candidates' writeups soon. For now, here's The Hunchback Of Notre Dame:

What is the work?

The Hunchback of Notre Dame is the 34th entry in the Disney Animated Canon based on the Victor Hugo novel of the same name. While it changes a lot from the original novel, it is nevertheless one of the darkest films that the animation studios had released.

Who is the candidate? What has he done?

Judge Claude Frollo is the Minister of Justice of the setting, but ironically, is one of the more corrupt characters in the film. Frollo is a deeply religious man dedicated to overseeing the complete eradication of the Gypsy race. Frollo is introduced in the film by chasing Quasimodo's mother and killing her on the steps of Notre Dame under the impression that she had stolen goods. Seeing that it was actually a baby, Frollo is disgusted by its appearance and goes to drown it in a well. Thankfully before he could do the deed, the Archdeacon stops him and forces him to care for the child under the threat of eternal damnation. And so, Frollo names the child Quasimodo — meaning half-formed — and emotionally and mentally abuses him by making him believe that he was a monster and that his mother cruelly abandoned him.

Eventually, the Gypsy girl Esmeralda comes into the picture when she saves Quasimodo when he was being pelted with produce during the Festival of Fools (which Frollo doesn't bother to stop as he thought it would teach Quasimodo a lesson in attending the festivities against his orders). Much like in the original novel, Frollo began to develop an obsession with Esmeralda, such as sniffing her hair and then trying to claim that he was just imagining a rope around her beautiful neck, and of course playing it off as Esmeralda being the one to have unholy thoughts. But for the most part, Frollo was unable to acquire Esmeralda due to her being protected by Notre Dame (sanctuary!). But when he gets word from one of his men that she had escaped, Frollo wastes no time in declaring that he was going to find her even if he had to burn down all of Paris to accomplish this.

While looking for Esmeralda, Frollo also goes to different houses he suspects were housing Gypsies. When one such house claims that they were innocent? Frollo traps them inside and tries to get Phoebus to set it ablaze. When he refuses, Frollo takes the torch and sets the windmill on fire which spreads to the house. Thankfully, Phoebus manages to save the family inside, but he is nearly executed for his troubles. Frollo returns to the bell tower, and having realized that Quasimodo helped Esmeralda escape, uses him to lead him to the Court of Miracles, a safe haven for the Gypsies. He then sentences Esmeralda to burn...but offers her a way out of it by either choosing him or the fire. She spits in his face instead, so that pretty much seals it. Quasimodo swings in the nick of time and saves Esmeralda...but it would seem that he was too late. Frollo arrives with a dagger behind his back, saying that [she'd] bother them no longer. Quasimodo catches his hand and when Esmeralda awakens, the two run as Frollo readied his sword.

On the roof of Notre Dame, Frollo reveals to Quasimodo that his mother died trying to protect him, and that he was going to do what he should've done twenty years ago. The two dangle on the edge of Notre Dame with Esmeralda holding onto Quasimodo's arm. Frollo uses this to his advantage and swings to a neighboring gargoyle. Laughing with sword in hands, Frollo raises his sword to strike Esmeralda with one last taunt of "And he shall smite the wicked and plunge them into the fiery pit!" Unfortunately for him, the gargoyle (that he previously struck at) starts to give underneath his weight and as he was trying to hold on for dear life, the gargoyle ambiguously comes to life before him, and with one final scream, Frollo falls into the molten lead in the street below.

What makes him personally despicable?

A Politically Incorrect Villain who actively tries to commit genocide on a race of people he dislikes for one? Or that he was willing to drown a baby and then later raises said baby not out of remorse for murdering its mother, but to save his own soul. Or then not so subtly wanting to rape Esmeralda, in the most G-rated way that Disney could let slip.

Freudian Excuse? Complexity? Evil Is Cool?

Frollo is complex as unlike a majority of Disney Villains who openly acknowledge their evil, Frollo at first is sternly convinced that his deeds were righteous. At least until the kickass musical segment "Hellfire" where he gets the slightest idea that maybe he was in the wrong the entire time ("God have mercy on her/God have mercy on me"). At least until he doubles down on it with "Or she will be mine, or she will burn!" He has no excuse for his actions; he is just convinced that he is a deeply pious man doing God's work.

As for EIC, Frollo was deliberately meant to be despised by the producers of the film. In the original tale, Frollo was the archdeacon and was understandably more sympathetic in his motivations and was no where near as evil as his Disney counterpart. However, most likely as a means of not offending the Catholic Church, Disney made the archdeacon into a separate character and increased Frollo's evilness. Aside from the awesome song "Hellfire" and his Deadpan Snarker moments, or his Draco in Leather Pants status, that all largely falls on audience reactions rather than authorial intent.

Edited by AustinDR on Aug 28th 2019 at 11:41:51 AM

Easy to Frollo

Frollo due to Word of God backing him up, if I remember correctly.

Judge Clod Frollo. (I intentionally misspelled his name in order to call him a piece of dirt.)

Marvolo Gaunt (More like Marvolo C**t, am I right?...Is what I'd say if I was British.)

to Frollo and Gaunt

Guys anyone else voting for Marjorie. So far I only got 4 and I need a few more to do her write up. You should ignore someone’s proposals

Edited by G-Editor on Aug 28th 2019 at 9:48:21 AM

You only need 3 more upvotes than downvotes. You are good to go. I already voted yes.

@G-Editor

Yeah we only do 3 instead of 7

Anyways, I am adding these entries to the draft.

• James Bond series:
  • The World Is Not Enough: Sir Robert King is an amoral oil baron, Elektra King's lousy excuse of a father, and the man who made Elektra's life miserable. King used his British citizenship to con his immigrant wife out of her own company, emotionally and financially abused her and Elektra, bulldozed centuries-old landmarks to make room for oil pipelines, badly mistreated the people living around said pipelines, and abandoned his daughter to be kidnapped and raped as a teen rather than pay a ransom. Elektra assassinates him with a booby-trapped briefcase full of money, meaning Sir Robert dies showered in the only thing he ever cared about.
  • Spectre: Max Denbigh/C, is a sleazy and Corrupt Politician placed in charge of a merger between MI5 and MI6, poses a threat to MI6's operations, compounds it by acting like a smarmy douche to Bond and M, and advocates the replacement of human spies with Attack Drones and mass surveillance. Later on, C is revealed to be a SPECTRE flunky, who plans to turn control of the new surveillance system he's designing over to Ernst Stavro Blofeld, née Franz Oberhauser. At the end of the film, he suffers a well deserved fate when he plummets to the bottom of the headquarters of the merged intelligence service, which he had paid for with SPECTRE's blood money.

I am having the James Bond page cut due to being below the entry limit. It should redirect to the main film page.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 28th 2019 at 4:14:56 AM

If that's the case

• Bernie gives us Marjorie "Marge" Nugent, who's universally despised in the town of Carthage for her awful jerkass behavior. Though she becomes fond of Bernie for comforting her when her recently passed, she soon becomes extremely abusive and possessive of him insulting him every day, chewing every bite 25 just to unease him, making him do errands and chores for her, quit his job, forcing him to kill an armadillo, and trapping him in her property when he tries to leave. Bernie would eventually snap from Marjorie's horrid treatment and shoot her four times In the Back killing her, to when the town found out nine months later they were more concern that Bernie would go to prison rather than Marjorie was killed.

Edited by G-Editor on Aug 28th 2019 at 12:13:18 AM

• The Hunchback Of Notre Dame: Judge Claude Frollo murders Quasimodo's mother before trying to drown him as a baby when he was stopped by the archdeacon. After emotionally and psychologically abusing him, Frollo lusts after Esmeralda later burning sections of Paris in an effort to find her. He then attempts to burn her alive and reveals the truth about Quasimodo's mother to his adopted son before declaring that he was going to do what he should've done twenty years ago.
• Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark (2019):
  • Tommy Milner is the Bastard Boyfriend of Ruth Steinberg who tried to get revenge on Stella, Chuck, and Auggie over a prank and locks them and his own girlfriend in a secret room at the Bellows estate. He calls Ramon a "wetback" before vandalizing his car, and abuses the scarecrow Harold whom he often vents his rage out on.
  • The elite Bellows family were the owners of several paper mills in the town. Amassing their wealth over the deaths of the town's children when mercury seeped into the water supply, they make the abused Sarah their scapegoat with her brother Ephraim gaslighting her into believing that she was responsible and torturing her whenever she didn't comply.

~Shadao, would you mind posting the new James Bond entries at Live-Action Films, and redirecting James Bond to that page?

Speaking of how audience reactions are irrelevant, I saw that there's a Hate Sink entry for Freddy Krueger that was written before this thread was created? What do you all think? Personally, I say cut. The sequels intentionally make him way too fun to hate.

I think we need an anti-EP.

Easy yes to Frollo and Gaunt. Frollo in particular, as much as I love Tony Jay, and as amazing as "Hellfire" is, holy shit, what a fucking bastard.

Krueger, I'm willing to see anti-EP.

Edited by Riley1sCool on Aug 28th 2019 at 6:42:02 AM

I'm gonna have to rewatch the movies, then. Luckily, they're on Shudder, and I was planning to do just that. Gonna skip New Nightmare, though, because that wasn't even Freddy.