The Scrappy Cleanup

Corrin is another one that gets a lot of hate (but not the female one, because feet). Pyra and Mythra haven't received that much hate because b00bs.

Anyway, it's cut now. It wasn't even a proper example in the first place.

I'd like to apologize for all this.

I mean, Crash is my no.1 pick for third party reps.

Oh, and one thing I forgot from Payday:

• On a more meta-level, people sometimes forgive Goldfarb or Almir for their shortcomings. Bo Andersson, the top man, has almost no defenders, being absolutely snide and condescending to legitimate player complaints. Burn to hell and back, this is the CEO of OVERKILL in real life they're talking about.

This fanbase, I tell ya... No offense to anyone reading this that played the game BTW (Hell, I love the game myself).

Edited by DoodSlayer136 on Feb 26th 2021 at 10:32:12 AM

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Suggesting that Hiro gets removed from Danganronpa's Scrappy page, considering there's this segment in his entry that suggests he's Rescued from the Scrappy Heap.

• Despite this, the light novel Ultra Despair Hagakure and the anime Danganronpa 3: The End of Hope's Peak High School have helped the fandom come to terms with his survival, primarily due to his Character Development and providing some comedy during their otherwise dreary narratives.

It honestly seems like he's more of a Base-Breaking Character than anything.

• Good Luck Charlie: In this Disney show, Amy Duncan gets this from a lot of people because she acts very selfish and egotistical ("What's the matter? Don't you want to be on TV with me... er, us?"). While the other characters are somewhat relatable and draw humor for their quirks, Amy's 'quirk' is being 'crazy' and 'wanting to be famous', but there's a little TOO much emphasis on the "crazy" part (way too many examples to list, but replacing her entire family (except Charlie) with ringers in "The Singin' Dancin' Duncans" just so she can perform is one of the stronger ones). Her actress implicating herself as an “anti-masker” during the COVID pandemic did not help matters, to the point fans half-seriously retconned her out of cast photos to make it look like the much more beloved (maybe too beloved) Bob Duncan was a single father.

Is the part about COVID really necessary? That's like saying people hate a character because he's played by James Woods. I don't know of anyone who hates Hades for that reason.

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If we count Hiro solely based on DR 1, he counts, otherwise he's a BBC. And it's not like DR has Negative Continuity or anything.

I'm guessing due to consistency, a character can't only be The Scrappy in one game.

Edited by Klavice on Feb 27th 2021 at 5:14:21 AM

YMMV.Grand Theft Auto San Andreas

• The Scrappy:
  • Some consider Zero to be, partly because of the "Supply Lines" mission under That One Level (among just about all of his other missions), and partly because of his Serious Business attitude. And let's face it, because he was voiced by David Cross.
  • Also, OG Loc. The fact that Carl is willing to spend so much time helping him instead is out of character, but when Big Smoke betrays you, Loc sides with Smoke. And then after chasing him all over the place in a Scrappy Level, CJ lets him live.
  • Sweet also gained considerable backlash for bitching nonstop about CJ "running away" when it was their mother's idea in the first place to give him a better life and indeed, CJ turned out better for it as he's much more rational minded than Sweet or any of the Grove Street Gang members are. Regardless, in most missions Sweet gives CJ no end of grief over this. And later in the game when CJ offers him a much better life than living in "da hood" can bring, he chastises him for it despite all the crap CJ went through to bail him out of prison!
    • This video succinctly sums up the player animosity towards Sweet.
  • The radio station has an In-Universe example of this with one of the DJs, Forthright MC from the Playback FM radio station (played by Public Enemy rapper Chuck D), who is despised by many listeners of the station for being a self-righteous conspiracy theorist and condemning anything that goes against his own ideals and musical preferences. Julio G, the DJ of Radio Los Santos (which plays music from the West Coast, something Forthright MC strongly dislikes and specifically takes shots at) even states that while the music station itself is good, the DJ of the station is wack.

The first entry has Weasel Words, and also saying that the VA is the reason people hate the character.

Sweet's entry seems kind of complainy too. Do people really hate Sweet that much? (outside of the linked video, because confirmation bias is a thing) The link could also be violating Weblinks Are Not Examples.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 28th 2021 at 10:18:45 AM

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I'm not super-familiar with that game, but the Weasel Words make me want to cut the first example too.

From YMMV.Skullgirls:

• The Scrappy: To many, Cerebella completely crossed the Moral Event Horizon in her ending where she crushes Ms. Fortune into another Life Gem for her adoptive mob-father, Vitale Medici (who massacred Ms. Fortune's gang and ran the slaver rings that mutilated Peacock during the Great Offscreen War), even though this is one of the What If? endings according to Word of God and Cerebella clearly realizes she made the wrong choice. The fact that Marie (and more importantly, the creators) claims she's "pure," in spite of being established as a "leg breaker" for the Medici Mob, only twists the knife further. That said, her treatment in Eliza's story has elicited reactions of both Alas, Poor Villain and Take That, Scrappy!

In my experience, she's not that hated. Maybe a Base-Breaking Character? But she has her fans.

Edited by Zuxtron on Mar 1st 2021 at 3:12:20 PM

I can confirm Zero is disliked, or at least I dislike him based on his missions, and Sweet has a video dedicated to the dislike he has as a character.

I don't know about OG-Loc tho.

Edited by Tomodachi on Mar 1st 2021 at 1:08:01 AM

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.

While I have seen people shame Cerebella for this action, it was never to the point where she is completely despised. I remember seeing more positive fan art of her even after the game's first release. If anything this seems more like a Never Live It Down moment since that happens only in her story and she shows clear regret over it. She might qualify more for Base-Breaking Character though since it is a major moment for her that could cause fans to dislike her.

I'm not sure how I'd write the Base-Breaking Character entry, but I could turn it into Never Live It Down (or more precisely, expand the one that's already there, since it's currently a Zero-Context Example).

Sounds good! I'll add Base-Breaking Character for Cerebella.

Edited by ejmenendez on Mar 1st 2021 at 3:18:17 AM

I already pointed out that the problem with having a video as proof on why Sweet sucks is confirmation bias. Of course people are going to find everyone who hated him in this video, they just want to have their opinion reinforced.

Now, if there proof that people outside of that video hate him, that would be more worthy.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 1st 2021 at 11:30:52 AM

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From Vince Mcmahon:

• The Scrappy: Not character-wise — where he's Love to Hate-able — but in real life to endless amounts of smarks for his more recent business decisions such as turning the entire promotion PG, frequently pushing smark unfavorites (John Cena, Randy Orton, Big Show, Kane, Roman Reigns, Sheamus, Alberto Del Rio, The Miz, The Bella Twins, Charlotte Flair etc.) at the expense of smark Ensemble Darkhorses (Daniel Bryan, Bray Wyatt, Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, Dolph Ziggler, Cesaro, The New Day, Kevin Owens, The Four Horsewomen (sans Charlotte), etc.), being a Control Freak Bad Boss seemingly everywhere he goes, making Take That, Audience! jokes toward said fans, and likely refusing to retire and/or show any leniency anytime soon.
  • After Survivor Series 2015, Vince became so universally despised that fans were either demanding his outright dismissal or retirement, or hoping that he'd keel over and die already. Practically all the X-Pac Heat that his Creator's Pets besides Sheamus have, primarily Roman Reigns', got transferred to him and Sheamus overnight, especially after reports came in the next day that Vince booked the Sheamus cash-in simply because he didn't want Reigns to get booed. His current mismanagement of all the talent, not just the smark favorites, and unwillingness to evolve the product in any way to keep it interesting is destroying his reputation much in the vein of, ironically, Eric Bischoff, with many pointing out that if he continues to be at the helm, WWE will start to go down the way its chief rival, WCW, did, if it hasn't already.

This is literally just about the real guy himself. Permission to burn?

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It outright admits it's troping the guy outside his character, so yeah, burn it.

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YMMV.Mega Man Powered Up

• Tier Induced Scrappy: Any of the Robot Masters, simply because they're basically all a more limited version of Mega Man who can't switch weapons to fit the situation, AND have a unique weakness each on top of that. Oil Man is by far the most difficult character to play as, being as he's both got the least practical weapon to use (limited to one drop of oil on screen at the time, the drop itself only does one damage to EVERYTHING including Elec Man, and using it as a board does good damage but almost guarantees that you'll take damage in return) and is weak to fire, one of the more difficult battles even under normal circumstances. Mega Man plays like a top tier character almost by default, simply due to his versatility and lack of weakness (though Proto Man is the easiest character by far, considering his gun hits every weakness and is more mobile than Mega Man to begin with).

Isn't that literally the entire point of the playable Robot Masters? It's supposed to be a challange because you're limited to just the power up that you chose.

• The Scrappy: Oil Man's weapon is situational and difficult to use, playing as him is similarly tricky, and his overall weakness is compounded by the fact that he looks like he has blackface, even in the international version that steers his color palette further away from the caricature.

From what I understand, he's been Rescued from the Scrappy Heap since then, at least in the comics.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 4th 2021 at 12:39:27 PM

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I say cut down the Tier Induced Scrappy entry to just Oil Man since there's a solid argument for why he's the least practical to play as, but cut his The Scrappy entry because of the comics.

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No, that's situational. Presumably many of the players don't bother with the comics, so Oil Man is still disliked by them. Besides, if a character is disliked in one medium doesn't mean it becomes liked because of the other incarnation, unless the other medium becomes the first.

Edited by Tomodachi on Mar 5th 2021 at 9:49:23 AM

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.

I gave Zero from San Andreas a bit of a rewrite. I honestly think he fits because I rarely see anyone defend him - Even David Cross hated voicing him (Online actually has a character voiced by him mocking Zero).

YMMV.Tetris

• The Scrappy:
  • S- and Z-blocks. Due to their odd shape, they often end up not fitting in at all. They're the only two pieces where, if the game was played with only that type of piece, you would be forced into an eventual Game Over.
  • The O-block (square) can be this at times too, as it's usually the one that doesn't fit anywhere you need it to. It also doesn't rotate at all, which leaves it at a disadvantage compared to the rest of the pieces in games that allow pieces to kick.
  • The I-piece of all pieces is this in the Sega branch of Tetris games, particularly at high gravity. For a horizontally-oriented I to rotate, the two cells immediately below the third block from the left have to be free, and I-pieces initially spawn laying horizontally. This can make Tetrises surprisingly difficult. In non-TGM games (TGM allows you to pre-rotate a piece before it has spawned), you have to be extremely quick and precise to rotate an I into a vertical position while it's still falling.

I am utterly confuddled on how exactly Tetris blocks can be Scrappies.

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They can't. Scrappies are characters.

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Maybe those could all be moved to Scrappy Mechanic, if they even fit.

Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 9th 2021 at 3:47:02 PM

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Could be like the multiple times I've seen inanimate objects scrappy or woobiefied.

From the main page's "Video Games" section:

• Animal Crossing:
  • Gracie, the fashion designer giraffe manages to be this throughout the series for acting like a smug, self-absorbed Jerkass that will berate your sense of style and even insult the player character to their face simply because their style doesn't match hers (his in the Japanese version). She also clashes with the nice, relaxing atmosphere generally carried by the cast of characters, since whereas most rude characters in the Animal Crossing series, like the Cranky or Snooty villager type, Phyllis, or Resetti, are a Jerk with a Heart of Gold on some level, Gracie never stops being rude and condescending to the player, not even when they help her set up a permanent shop in New Leaf and are looking to buy things from her. She's actually even worse in the Gamecube version, where she will only give you anything if you play a horribly unfair Button Mashing minigame to wash her car first that was almost impossible to do without a Turbo Controller (and was actually possible to fail even with one). Potentially valid, though while Gracie is an Alpha Bitch, she actually does have a few Jerk with a Heart of Gold moments.
  • Wild World introduced Lyle, an insurance scammer who would appear outside of the player's house on Saturdays. If talked to, he would force the player to pay him to buy insurance from him. If the player ignored him, he would try to follow them around until they talked to him and bought insurance. This combined with his annoying personality, the fact that he would continue to harass the player even if they gave in and bought insurance from him, the fact that you cannot refuse his insurance offer (unless you don't have enough Bells for it), and that his insurance was generally worthless ^note he would occasionally "cover" players who tripped while running, were stung by bees or sold forged paintings, but only in pitiful amounts that generally did not come close to what the player paid for his insurance in the first place made many players despise him. Possibly due to this, in City Folk, Lyle has lost his job as an insurance salesman and now works at the Happy Room Academy, a job he absolutely hates, and frequently talks about how his dreams have been crushed. By New Leaf he seems to have grown to like his new job, though. Pretty sure Lyle's initial incarnation was supposed to be disliked for being a con artist. I also do see a lot of people who like him in the fandom for being a Terse Talker and having a Heel–Face Turn.
  • Pavé in New Leaf is hated among the fandom for being obnoxious and berating the player for not dancing even if the player uses the "Shrunk dance", as well as his minigame not being very fun. I feel that Pavé's minigame belongs more in Scrappy Mechanic. As for him as a character, he seems to be more of a Broken Base - some fans like his campy flamboyant nature and his furniture series, others don't.

YMMV.Monster Hunter Rise

• Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: While never hated or considered a bad weapon, the Hunting Horn was one of the least used due to its awkward moveset and micromanagement with its songs. In Rise it's gone through a massive overhaul, allowing the player to be way more aggressive and streamlining the use of songs so all that's needed is two identical notes. Though some are put off from of it's vastly different play style, and/or believe it takes the challenge out of mastering the weapon, pretty much everyone else who's played it in the demo considers it one of the most fun weapons in the game. It helps that its move animations now include break-dancing.

It admits that it was never hated. Should I delete it?

As a side note, should I put the horn under Complacent Gaming Syndrome? I've seen a lot of use of it online in the demo.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 13th 2021 at 1:57:59 PM

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it sounds like the horn was a Tier Induced Scrappy; i believe those don't require actual hate towards the subject, only that its flaws cause it to be considered non-viable in high-level play. i think it fits, although the entry could be rewritten to make it clearer that's the case.