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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Jul 6th 2013 at 8:23:37 AM

Same. I see it as the colon prefacing a list.

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Aug 12th 2013 at 3:27:33 PM

I consider the colon to be superflous. The bullet points clearly indicate what is an example of what.

Plus, I think a colon makes it look a bit cluttered if the trope or work title itself have punctuation, like the many Excited Show Title!

Dec 18th 2013 at 1:53:19 PM

Super Mario 3D Land and Super Mario 3D World have tropes indented under Video Game Settings. This looks like it would be hard to fix. 3D Land has this:

  • Video Game Settings: As a throwback to old-school Mario, it's only fitting that several stock video game locations appear. However, this game is notable for averting themes for each world. Each world in this game is a medley of different settings, so you can find a desert and an icy mountain in the same world. Same deal with the Galaxy games, but it was justified then because you were traveling between planets. This game has examples of:

SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Dec 18th 2013 at 11:10:47 PM

Video Game Settings is a supertrope. You only cite them if they are used by the work and there is no specific subtrope for the instance.

So all material that fits the subtropes there should be put under the subtrope in question, which in turn it's its own subbullet. If there is anything that fits Video Game Settings and not its subtropes, it can be put under Video Game Settings, otherwise remove the Video Game Settings example.

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Dec 19th 2013 at 6:21:17 AM

Similar problem in Sonic Lost World:

* Video Game Settings: Unlike previous Sonic games, the entire Zone will not be one same theme, but will instead be a collection of different themes, as well as differing between the 7 locations within the two different versions of the game (Wii U and 3DS).

SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Dec 20th 2013 at 1:49:01 AM

@55 needs the tropes put under their own bullet points, not as subbullets. @56 seems to describe how the example fits the potholed tropes rather than the trope is listed under. Also, spoilering a whole subbullet is wrong.

Jul 10th 2014 at 8:56:28 AM

Normally I would do this myself, but I am in the middle of namespacing right now. Can't Catch Up is a mess of thread mode.

Gosicrystal Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Aug 24th 2016 at 4:47:19 PM

Just checked Characters.The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword and found a complex case of indentation:

I suspect it's not indented right, especially that third-level bullet, but I don't know how to rewrite it.

edited 25th Aug '16 4:22:45 AM by Gosicrystal

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Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Aug 25th 2016 at 8:07:04 PM

[up] Seems to read just fine if you simply remove all bullets (except the top level one, of course). Often that sort of thing does need a touch of editing, but in this case, I think you're fine with the wording as it stands.

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Gosicrystal Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Aug 27th 2016 at 4:31:06 AM

What about this one I found in Being Watched?

  • SpongeBob SquarePants: Patchy the pirate and Polly the parrot are arguing about SpongeBob. Cut to SpongeBob in the Krusty Krab, saying, "I just have this strange feeling that a pirate and a parrot are arguing about me... and the parrot is winning!"
    • Also parodied and subverted with:
      SpongeBob: (while being followed) It feels like... someone... wants to sell me something!
      • He's right.
      • This gag was actually initiated by the blue jellyfish stalking him, but two door-to-door salesmen are seen hiding behind a rock after the line is said.

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Aug 27th 2016 at 2:59:08 PM

Characters.Dota 2's subpages are a mess. I did the pages for Strength heroes, but I don't have the patience to do everything by myself.

Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Aug 27th 2016 at 5:21:41 PM

[up][up] The first thing that needs to be done there is to give the first example its own bullet. That's the easy part.

The second thing that needs to be done is to get rid of the sub-bullets for the second example. That's a little messier. If the sub-bullets were simply natter (as they so often are), you could just delete them, but in this case, they seem like they might be relevant, so it may be worth some rewriting.

If necessary, you could convert the quote from a screenplay-style offset quote into a normal inline quote (no indenting or fancy fonts, just: Spongebob says, "blah blah"). Then you could just run the whole thing together. Not an ideal solution, but better than what's there currently!

Let me try:

  • SpongeBob SquarePants:
    • Patchy the pirate and Polly the parrot are arguing about SpongeBob. Cut to SpongeBob in the Krusty Krab, saying, "I just have this strange feeling that a pirate and a parrot are arguing about me... and the parrot is winning!"
    • Also parodied and subverted with SpongeBob (while being followed) saying "It feels like... someone... wants to sell me something!" He's right. This gag was actually initiated by the blue jellyfish stalking him, but two door-to-door salesmen are seen hiding behind a rock after the line is said.

That's...yeah, not great, but minimally acceptable. If I had more time/knew anything about the show/understood the example a little better, I'd probably rewrite the whole thing to be more clear, but I don't.

edited 27th Aug '16 5:23:42 PM by Xtifr

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Aug 27th 2016 at 6:14:27 PM

Wouldn't the "parodied and subverted" thing be the rare Unparodied type of Playing with a Trope?

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Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Aug 28th 2016 at 4:27:35 PM

[up] Um, yeah, probably. I was more focused on the indentation issues (since that's the topic of this thread), but I'd endorse that change as well.

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Sep 5th 2016 at 4:32:57 AM

Wow. AccidentalInnuendo.Video Games is a big mess. Already fixed Pokémon, which was probably the biggest problem, but there's more to go.

edited 5th Sep '16 5:29:57 AM by Gosicrystal

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Oct 16th 2016 at 8:26:23 AM

How do you fix an example like this? I've run into a good bunch of them since I registered:

< Trope X page example list >

  • A franchise:
    • Work Y: blah blah blah
    • Happens in Work Z specifically when blah blah blah
      • In fact, the whole Work Z is this: blah blah blah

Do you delete the specific example from Work Z, delete the general statement about it, or what?

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MyFinalEdits Officially intimidated from Venezuela Relationship Status: Remembering what Mama said
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Oct 17th 2016 at 9:12:10 PM

The "In fact, the whole Work Z is this: blah blah blah" part must be rewritten to eliminate the natter element. That is, just state what else in the work fits as an example of the trope. Next, put that entry and the other at the same bullet level. Like this:

  • Franchise X:
    • Work Y example
    • Work Z:
      • Example 1
      • Example 2

Here's a riddle: It looks dark-green on the outside, pale yellow inside, and has an avocado seed in its core. What is it?
Gosicrystal Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Oct 18th 2016 at 4:06:58 AM

Yeah, that would do if the natter entry was as specific as the other one. But what if the natter example is so general about the work that it renders the specific example (the above one) needlessly specific? Like the trope happens so often in the work that the specific example is needless elaboration and a general statement would do? Do you still remove the natter example?

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crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Oct 19th 2016 at 4:51:59 PM

I'd generally resolve the first example into the more general statement, but only if it's a recurring element. We prefer specific to generic and that means tossing out the natter. There's no such thing as "needlessly specific", just "Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness".

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Gosicrystal Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Nov 25th 2016 at 11:57:36 AM

YMMV.The Force Awakens post-release is a chaos wherever Kylo Ren is talked about. Alternative Character Interpretation, Base-Breaking Character... Some entries are just rewordings of previous ones, like "Is some good inside him? Elaboration...", "Can he still be redeemed? Elaboration...". But indentation chaos is not only limited to this character.

edited 25th Nov '16 11:57:54 AM by Gosicrystal

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Apr 2nd 2017 at 4:24:40 PM

WebVideo.Sword Art Online Abridged has chronic Example Indentation issues and some generally bad example write-ups. I've done some cleanup but more help would be appreciated.

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Gosicrystal Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Jun 11th 2017 at 2:58:06 PM

Just to check: Useful Notes don't get a special indentation policy, do they? Because UsefulNotes.Toronto has a mess when talking about landmarks...

edited 11th Jun '17 2:58:36 PM by Gosicrystal

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Jun 11th 2017 at 4:16:39 PM

In my opinion, landmarks could potentially have subbullets for when they appear in specific works. Anything that talks about the landmark as it is in real life should be in the main point, though. Like:

  • Decription of landmark.
    • Appearance in work 1.
    • Appearance in work 2.

Not sure how kosher that is, but it makes sense to me as a bulleted list. At any rate, appearances in works are what's actually relevant for TV Tropes.

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
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Jun 11th 2017 at 5:47:05 PM

Fixed that up.

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