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- Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope.
- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
Did he pitch it as autism spectrum disorder specifically?
I suppose there would be nothing preventing someone with D.I.D. from projecting ASD onto one of their personalities, but that personality wouldn't "really" have it, they'd just be displaying symptoms of it because they *think* they have it. So I suppose it would still be an example, just a profoundly weird one.
Just to answer the question I was asked over the page, yes the actor pitched it as that, but it's not singled out in the show, so whether he really is on the spectrum is up in the air.
It's worth bearing in mind that there could be an in-universe explanation even if he's not: Steve initially believes he's the "original" and that Marc is his alter until he learns the truth. His identity (even his perceived nationality and bad British accent) is based on a character from one of Marc's favourite childhood films — a film considered, in-universe, to be really bad in every possible way. If the film character comes across as being on the spectrum, that could explain why Steve may appear to be as well, regardless of whether he really is.
Edited by Wyldchyld on May 20th 2022 at 7:08:56 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Continuing from the ATT discussion...
So, I recently found Police in a Pod during the Adult Fear cleanup and... good grief, the amount of shoehorns is ridiculous, prolly second only to grammar and punctuation issues. Usually we'd discuss and sort things out with the page's creator, but FALCONER got himself suspended for Edit Warring.
Rather than dragging things out on the ATT, thought maybe I'll just post an analysis here. Let's just say, I can find like 8 good examples and 20 shoehorns. And some ZCE, which can be commented out without deleting. But since erasing more than 20 examples in one go is borderline page blanking, which is frowned upon, so...
Sorry about the length.
- Becoming the Mask: A weird and positive take on the concept but multiple characters tell Kawai that with time and experience, she will become a "true police officer" so that she's not worried for mistakes she has as a Rookie. — This character is a police officer from the start of the story to the finish, while this trope refers to a character going undercover / espisionage before having a genuine change of heart. Shoehorn.
- Brick Joke: Fuji refuses to be treated by the public and her subordinates for being the nice female officer who's supposed to be a guiding hand to the public like in the police poster. She later does the same thing by helping out an elementary school student during a public safety lecture and realized that she did the same thing. — I doubt this is what Brick Joke means? This trope refers to an early joke / gag that returns much later into the story.
- Cop Killer: While not a killer White Angel is a driver that Hit and Run Sakura an Officer of the station leaving her in a wheelchair for years he is later revealed to be Kimura a father who abandoned his family whose daughter is a cop in another prefecture, the reason why he was fixated on sakura was because she looked similar to her daughter but it wasn't intentional he just dozed off after he had too many all nighter. — The example argues with itself. Cop Killer is someone who takes delight in killing cops, while said character in question had ZERO policemen blood in his hands.
- Dramatic Shattering: An apartment window is busted by Fuji with her issued baton when she and some officers were conducting a wellness check and the tenant wasn't answering the door (plus the tenant had a previous meeting with the police due to concerns that he's been drinking). — This trope is for breaking glass / objects in a dramatic manner, while the scene here is "Breaks Glass With Baton", a trope that doesn't exist atm.
- Elites Are More Glamorous: The anti-riot division is treated as such for breaking up violent protests/riots that Mei suggested that maybe an anti-riot officer should be sent to the elementary school for a public safety lecture. She gets shot down because hardass looking men aren't suitable. — NO idea how this applies to the trope. Borderline ZCE if it keeps.
- Everyone Has Standards: While Fuji doesn't like when Kawaii complains even she admited that she would have done the same if she had to patrol with Shikine she late gave him a devastanting "The Reason You Suck" Speech. — Typo aside, I have NO idea what this entry is trying to say. It's a ZCE at best.
- Even Evil Has Standards: While evil is an exageration, in a flashback Miyahara has to work in a case about a thief, but the thief was more interested in getting Miyahara to arrest the guy he robbed because he had a lot of lolicon pornography that he found disgusting and violent, outright saying he doesn't tolerate that stuff - Lack of Punctuation aside, the character is a random thief who doesn't have any real impact on the story. Even the original entry argues with itself saying it's "an exeggeration".
- Foreshadowing: Fuji get along well with her old colleagues of criminal investigation and was put in charge of training a rookie that because she wasn't put on the Koban for power harrasment, it was voluntary. When thanks to a misunderstanding everybody thought that the station will get a new rookie, the most excited was Kawaii who liked the idea of guiding a rookie, later thanks to a Flashfoward we learned than Kawaii become the principal of the police academy. — How is this Foreshadowing? It's just "this character who is nice goes along well with others in a later scene" and also grammar.
- Generation Xerox: Is outright shown that a lot of the old officers have their own counterparts like a boss gorilla (Fuji/Onigawara) her black haired classmate with a Vitriolic Best Buds relation (Minamoto/Miyahara) and a Ditz rookie (Sakura/Kawaii). — This trope is for events that runs in the family, while the example have NO indication that the characters are related. If there's a "Workplace Senior-Junior Xerox" trope maybe it can fit, but I couldn't find it.
- Police Brutality: Once Played for Laughs after Minamoto catches[[asshole victim: a pedophile]] who made him work all nighters he is extra rough arresting him pushing him against the wall, this show how much pissed off Seiji was because he is usually extra carefull about any possible case of harrasement. — Misplaced Pothole and Grammar aside, I think policemen pushing people against walls is rather standard in media? This is how Trope Decay happens, people trying to shoehorn tropes as "Downplayed for Laughs" example until it eventually needs to be TRS-ed.
- Running Gag: During the anime Kawaii and running specifically her tendency to run and the monologues she has complaining about this, thanks to the anime adapting the early chapters where Kawaii had to run a lot — Running Gag is a recurring joke in a story, NOT "a character loves to run".
- Irony: While Kawaii just met Yamada and Minamoto through Fuji , is shown later they found her nicer and easier to get along than Fuji who is a Jerk With The Heart Of Gold. - Yeah, they forgot to Double-Bracket the word Irony. Also how is this entry ironic?
- Jaywalking Will Ruin Your Life: downplayed and not jaywalking but in one case Kawaii interrogate a teen that stole a bike and made her confess the girl admitted that these incident will probably make her lose her scholarship in a university at Tokyo, but she is confident that she can go there through other means. — Another Entry that Argues with Itself. Also nobody's lives are ruined in said entry, it's quite a blatant shoehorn.
- Reality Is Unrealistic: Viewers/readers who are not familiar with the workings of Japanese law enforcement don't understand why the suspected burglar was arrested and led out in handcuffs with his hands covered up. This part is due to fear or lawsuits/greater views on privacy as being seen in cuffs equals guilt. Japan doesn't have any concept that someone is innocent until you can be proven guilty. — This seems like a relatively minor annoyance that hardly have any impact on the plot.
- Surprisingly Realistic Outcome - Already discussed and "OK-ed" to cut on the SRO Cleanup thread.
- Shown Their Work: The manga showed various realities of police work in Japan and how one is recruited to work with the police, regardless if he/she finished high school or in university. Yasu was a former officer in an unnamed prefecture, so the work shows. Like Kawai, one of Yasu's first assignments is doing her beat from the koban and conduct public safety assignments with the public before Yasu also did suspect sketching. In Chapter 78 of the manga the lieutenant give a pretty exact description of CPR procedures during rescues, with the warning and protocol you have to do. — Actually, this happens in EVERY. SINGLE. POLICE. show out there, including plenty of Hollywood stuff and other Japanese shows, and calling it "Shown Their Work" is a chairs-ey shoehorn. New Recruits in all police media starts small before moving on the big cases, like the bunny policegirl from Zootopia, didn't she start with Parking Duty?
- Yakuza: Minor nuisances in the manga. Seiji and Takeshi at one point get to a shouting match with them after a wakashu throws away a lit cigarette onto the street. — This trope fails to explain how the Japanese crime syndicate called the yakuza figures into the plot, and if it keeps it's a ZCE at best.
- Adapted Out: Several. — Despite claiming there are "several" Adapted Out elements, the entry can only list two examples. First which seems "really" forced.
- Kawai first meets Fuji inside the Machiyama koban and not outside. — Really? This isn't even applicable under Adaptational Location Change since it's the SAME place. Just... no.
- Mei's father never visited the OPP dorms after she and Fuji caught the suspected burglar. In that scene, it's impled he fell down.. Instead, there was a mention that she wrote him letters. — Feels kind of forced, ZCE.
- Adaptation Expansion: The drama expands on the events Kawai did on the first few weeks of her koban beat that made her consider quitting. - "X does this" violation, ZCE
- Growing the Beard: An early example a lot of people who weren't sure about this series were hooked after the "Beginner's Luck" segment of the 2nd episode principally because it took a difficult and real topic respectfully, showing this wasn't only a comedy but it will have its dramatic moments — Does it count as "beard" if it happens two episodes in? Also I did a google, the anime only has 13 episodes, while the on-page GTB examples are applied for shows spanning multiple seasons and arcs.
- Hilarious in Hindsight: In "Beginner's Luck", there is a line referring to Kawai, "Well, it's not like she went out and caught a Pokémon." This becomes funny when days earlier, two Los Angeles Police Department officers were fired for catching a Snorlax in Pokémon GO instead of responding to a robbery. — If the hindsight event happens BEFORE the show in question - which the entry itself states, "days earlier", is it still hindsight?
- Values Dissonance: At the time of the anime's release, its positive portrayal of police officers attracted backlash from reviewers in North America, as there had been a number of publicized controversies concerning Police Brutality in the United States (and to an extent, Canada) around that same time. — Ho-ho-ho, all three YMMV items are questionable. It's a 2021 - 2022 adaptation of a 2017 manga, and the Values Dissonance main page clearly states entries should be AT LEAST TWO DECADES OLD.
Note: Examples regarding the dissonance between time periods require a 20-year waiting period before they can be added.
For Characters.Police In A Pod
- Berserk Button: Temporarily after seeing a baby corpse, she got a button with people who downplay security measures specially with kids, a pep talk with Miyahara work this out. — This character freaks out ONCE when she saw a dead baby, but that doesn't mean it's a Berserk Button, which is a trope for "stuff that easily agitates a character". Calling Doraemon a raccoon, for instance, IS a Berserk Button trait displayed on said character dozens and dozens of times in the numerous movies and shorts featuring him.
- Cool Big Sis: Some comments implies she is this with her younger brother. — ZCE.
- Meaningful Name: Kawai is cute. — Actually, "Kawai" is a Japanese word that means "Confluence". Also sounds like character gushing.
- Nice Girl: One of Kawaii main strengths is that she is so nice, while sometimes she is Secretly Selfish she is shown to be at heart a nice girl who helps other people. — She is Nice, even though she can be Secretly Selfish, but she is still nice... wait, what? ZCE.
- Meaningful Name: Fuji is a reference to Mt. Fuji. — Isn't Fuji a super-common Japanese unisex name? Ultraman has a female Fuji too, but I don't see Meaningful Name being shoehorned under HER folder. note
Anyway, that's my two cents. Other users familiar with the page could note give it a fix-up, but without those entries the page should still have enough examples to save it from the cutlist.
OK to delete? I'll link this post to the edit reason.
Edited by RobertTYL on May 20th 2022 at 11:39:49 PM
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So this is an anime? Because I don't think intercultural examples of Values Dissonance require a waiting period.
[[Willy's Chocolate Experience The Unknown]
@ Laser Viking 42 and @ Tropers/underCoverSailsMan. I'm so sorry. I shouldn't ignore something important because I was looking for an a quick and easy solution but really there isn't.
I have already formatting it. Let me know what you guys think. I appreciate your guys' help.
Edited by Bubblepig on May 21st 2022 at 1:46:00 AM
“What is that? It's The Unknown!”
Doesn't Lighter and Softer require the troped media come after the compared media?
I found this example on Final Fantasy XIII and, ignoring the fact that it's a ZCE, I just don't think it belongs since the media it's being compared to... all came after XIII.
- Lighter and Softer: Well, compared to Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy XV, and Final Fantasy Type-0.
Yeah that's not how that trope works.
I keep tossing this between myself, so I decided to ask here for more opinions: where does this go under, Fridge Horror or Fridge Sadness?
- YMMV.Friday Night Funkin Corruption:
- Skid and Pump's corruption is already terrifying and heartbreaking enough, but then one remembers they have families in their home series, ones who most likely never learned of their fates before being corrupted themselves.
This was added to Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers (2022):
- Crosses the Line Twice: The questionable decision to make the Big Bad an adult Peter Pan, who was dropped In-Universe because he got old. Considering what they did to Bobby Driscoll, who played the role of the titular character, who was abruptly let go when he hit puberty, this reveal is in very poor taste.
Is this proper use of Crosses the Line Twice?
The way its written doesn't tell why this would be funny.
Adora, the High Priestess
On DEATH BATTLE! (Season Nine)
I'm starting to think there's a potential edit war over Omni-Man's status having this trope: The Call Knows Where You Live
Should it go for his character section or it shouldn't?
"I just need one of you to come here to give your life to the sun god. It will be for the monkey city's glory."
That's more of a question for the Character tropes thread.
[[Willy's Chocolate Experience The Unknown]
Have you seen my post yet? Here's the link: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=811#comment-20255
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Hi, I'm thinking of adding this to the YMMV page for Moon Knight (2022), which has a heavy focus on Egypt:
- Harsher in Hindsight: The series makes a point to treat Egyptian culture and mythology respectfully, averting the Egypt Is Still Ancient stereotype so often seen in popular media when we actually arrive there. Then Egypt was one of the Muslim countries that banned Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness over the brief LGBT content.
We have a cleanup thread for Hindsight Tropes but that reads like a stretch. The two have nothing to do with each other beyond the MCU branding.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Is that... trying to say that treating Egypt respectfully is a bad thing because they banned a different movie?
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
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Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't think through how that could be offensive. I'm sorry and I'll think about what I write before I post them here.
I was about to post this on Blatant Lies, but I'm not sure if it fits:
- After the first race in The Fast and the Furious (2001) is broken up by the police, Dominic and Brian take a ride around town to escape them. By the time they get back to the Toretto house, the other members of the team have started a party. Dominic heads inside and finds Leon casually sitting in a chair drinking a beer. Leon sees him and says "Yo, Dom, we were just about to start looking for you."
Still trying to get help on this entry here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=809#comment-20220
Mostly because I think these either aren't examples or they belong under "Fan Works", and I'm not sure which is which.
The cold never bothered me anyway
That sounds alot more like Sarcasm Mode to me.
[[Willy's Chocolate Experience The Unknown]
I found one misused example of What the Hell, Hero? in character page of Sara is Missing about "You" . Here's the example:
- What the Hell, Hero?: No matter what you do when James's life is threatened, you risk one life or multiple. It's all a matter of what you believe is the right choice, even though it doesn't make a difference. IRIS in particular will call you out if you choose Sara to die instead of Faith.
Edited by Bubblepig on May 21st 2022 at 11:56:44 AM
“What is that? It's The Unknown!”
Continuing from the response to my previous question, Persephone didn’t know how to reverse the transformation at the time. In fact, restoring Minthe was one of the terms Zeus laid out to end her banishment.
In light of the response, how’s this?
Minthe
- Unexplained Recovery: After the Time Skip, we briefly see Minthe in a flashback as a nymph during Persephone’s exile, even though last time we saw her, Persephone was unable to change her back from being a plant. Presumably, Persephone found a way to do it during the ten year interim, but how is never shown or even hinted at.
Edited by CSS1 on May 22nd 2022 at 12:25:52 PM
Musician/Composer
In the anime adaptation of Sorcerer Hunters, original author Satoru Akahori wrote the script for episode 16 as well as the first episode of the OVA series. Since he was involved in both the TV series and OVA, does that count as a true Self-Adaptation?
Edited by gjjones on May 22nd 2022 at 3:42:20 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
she/her
@dmcreif, it looks odd to put these examples in the Film folder but I'd say they count as Fan Work examples.
Chronic lore addict
~Crossover-Enthusiast Fridge Sadness is the way to go, as that example is about how something becomes more tragic given extra thought.
"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"
the Retromancer
Would a designated soundtrack (encounter theme) that precedes Fight Woosh and Battle Theme Music count as Boss Warning Siren?
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Okay and thx.