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- Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope.
- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
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The way its written its not an example.
Why's that?
Edited by Twiddler on Oct 4th 2019 at 3:11:34 AM
This seems General... Or at least should be rephrased... Limited Wardrobe doesn't have Medium or Genre Limits, right?
- Most specific video game examples would be redundant, but there are a few specifically obnoxious examples. One such is in Kingdom Hearts II, where The Beast is always in his cloak when he is in your party — even though he was wearing a complicated suit moments before.
- Ironically, the Kingdom Hearts series also partially subverts this; several worlds give you specific outfits based on their own theme. For example, Halloween Town gives the party Halloween-costume-mash-up outfits, while Space Paranoids changes the characters' outfits to Tron-inspired "program" outfits.
- Possible Lampshade Hanging at the start of the second game, when Sora is wearing the outfit he was wearing in the first game... except there was a year-long Time Skip between the two games and now they're quite small on him.
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Should be rewritten to be just about Kingdom Hearts. Also needs to cutdown on the natter and get an indentation fix...
- Changed it to this, but I feel like it need to note how its played straight, as otherwise subversions aren't notable.
But I dunno how it's played straight...
- Kingdom Hearts: Happens, but is also sometimes subverted.
- Whole series:
- Going to Halloween Town gives the party Halloween-costume-mash-up outfits
- Kingdom Hearts II: Multiple:
- The Beast is always in his cloak when he is in your party — even though he was wearing a complicated suit moments before.
- Possible Lampshade Hanging at the start, when Sora is wearing the outfit he was wearing in the first game... except there was a year-long Time Skip between the two games and now they're quite small on him.
- Going to Space Paranoids changes the characters' outfits to TRON-inspired "program" outfits.
- Whole series:
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On FireEmblemAwakening.Tropes A To E:
My first thought was "no, that's Translation Correction". But then I read Translation Correction to check, and the description suggests that that's about a specific type of correction — the type where the translators correct it because the error is about their culture in the first place. But the examples on page don't seem to align with that. Help?
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TearJerker.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic Season 9
- While many members of the Apple family show up for Big Mac at the wedding, the only ponies that attend for Sugar Belle are her friends from Our Town, and not a single family member of hers can be seen. While this is most likely only because the animators didn't want to take time out of their schedule to design a bunch of new characters who would only show up for a few shots in a single episode, the implications are no less depressing.
This is Fridge as opposed to presented as sad in-work. Nightmare Fuel no longer allows Fridge examples for that reason. So does/should Tear Jerker be the same?
I delete. Too much fridge.
Is this an example as opposed to complaining about a work they don't like? I believe the point of a speech is tell the individual/group to their face their failings to make them feel bad thus the emotional torque. So saying why an show/inanimate object or something that can't register this suck doesn't seem this as their lack of ability to react negates the point and what makes it meaningful.
Honestly, I'd say Translation Correction has too narrow a definition right now, and should be expanded so that it does cover stuff like this.
Does it count as Series Fauxnale if the original show is over and done with, but is then followed by a sequel series?
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Oct 6th 2019 at 4:45:38 AM
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Definition changes go to TRS, right?
Edited by wingedcatgirl on Oct 6th 2019 at 8:08:11 AM
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I found these questionable examples on YMMV.Imagine Dragons:
- Fandom-Enraging Misconception:
- People who condemn them on the basis of "Thunder" and their poorly-regarded 2019 performances will quickly be condemned by fans.
- On the flip side, people who only like them because of "Radioactive" are also attacked.
Are these just opinions fans don't like, or are there any objective misconceptions in play here? The "Radioactive" example seems to be just fans complaining about "fake fans". The one about "Thunder" and their 2019 performances looks like complaining that people find these things bad and assume all of the band's output is like that, but I guess there could be something objective about them that makes them stand out. Can someone who's more familiar with the band than I am confirm or deny that?
Can Harry Potter be considered The Everyman in his series? Wikipedia defines everyman as "an ordinary individual with whom the audience or reader is supposed to be able to identify easily and who is often placed in extraordinary circumstances. The everyman character is constructed so that the audience can imagine themselves in the same situation without having to possess knowledge, skills, or abilities that transcend human potential. Such characters react realistically in situations that are often taken for granted with traditional heroes."
Harry, being the main character of the story, experiences much of the Wizarding World for the first time and ends up asking the questions we ourselves would ask if we found ourselves in those same situations, like the basic principles and general understandings of magic, the history of Hogwarts, the threat of Voldemort or the problems of wizarding society.
What do you think?
Lost in Space
"Without possessing knowledge, skills, or abilities." Most normal people are not wizards raised as Muggles with scars left behind by a demonic villain on their forehead that give them a psychic link to said villain. No matter what tween girls like to imagine.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Kirby is shaped like a friend
From YMMV.Mobile Suit Gundam Wing
Yes, Gundam Wing is indeed pretty serious and gets darker, but this entry doesn't really talk about how the darkness creates apathy, instead focusing on how its serious tone makes it not suited for people who prefer more lighthearted stories (Wing is considered Lighter and Softer by the standards of the Gundam franchise but has less humor to make up for it). Isn't this trope for when things are so bleak or the conflict is so meaningless that the audience stops caring about what happens to the characters as opposed to people taking issue with a dark tone? I mean the main cast consists of what are basically terrorists fighting against the world and the story actively portrays the war as getting worse and worse, so I could see this being turned into a legitimate example, but I am unsure because the characters are still mostly well-intentioned and there aren't nearly as many horrible deaths and war crimes as other Gundam series that don't qualify for this trope. What do you guys think?
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Fandom-Enraging Misconception is about factual misconceptions. Misuse.
About being so dark you stop caring about how it ends, so misuse especially if it argues it has counterbalances. And if less dark than series standard, how those who'd normally enjoy it be put off. And expecting "expecting an anime where there are plenty of humorous or lighthearted moments to balance out the more serious elements" is just so wrong for a franchise known for being dark and serious I don't even.
At this point I have to ask how so many successful works can succeed if they have DIAA? TRS? Make it so it only applies to works that objectively/commercially fail to prove they were put off like we're doing for Audience-Alienating Premise?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Oct 6th 2019 at 5:00:53 AM
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YMMV.The Simpsons S 7 E 10 The Simpsons138th Episode Spectacular:
Unless there's something I don't know about Howard Hughes that provides an actual connection, this is just "person was depicted in a work and later died".
Edited by wingedcatgirl on Oct 6th 2019 at 9:24:07 AM
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If Simon ended up being frail as a result of his cancer, perhaps the example would work, but I don't know.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Oct 6th 2019 at 1:07:27 PM
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
Kirby is shaped like a friend
I feel like maybe instances of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy for successful works that only suffer from it early on where the creators make an effort to avoid it for later releases or installments (i.e. the Invader Zim continuation comics and the Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam compilation movies) could be given a pass, but it might be worth limiting it to works that flop otherwise.
Anything salvagable from this, since The Auture Theory isn't a trope, but a Useful Notes?
- The Auteur Theory: Not a fan. In Part 2 of The Whole Plate, she describes it as a "celebration of egomania", seeing it largely as an attempt to create an entire field of academia to justify the self-importance of a clique of Prima Donna Directors. She does admit, however, that it has some good points, most notably with directors having certain key themes that show up throughout their bodies of work, the idea that it's more important for a film to be interesting than just conventionally good, and with how its proponents led the way in trying to get film recognized as True Art.
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Would a reference to a Spiritual Predecessor be a Mythology Gag or just a Shout-Out? Specifically, I'm thinking of the "blood sausage" and "thin red paste" from Fallout: New Vegas - Old World Blues, which are references to Wasteland.
Keet cleanup
given that it's a seperate franchise, I'm inclined to say it's just a regular shout out.
Chronic lore addict
Does I'm a Humanitarian apply to cannibalism in non-humans or not?
The Consecrated Mind from Destiny 2 is initially encountered partway through the Garden of Salvation raid eating a Vex bot, i.e. one of its own kind for some reason, specifically a Minotaur. For those unaware, Vex are robots but have an organic power source of ambiguous origin, so it's not like it's just scrapping a disposable automaton for metal or parts.
This is obviously cannibalistic (and made even more morbid by the fact that the Consecrated Mind appears to have been mutated into a more fleshy form), but I'm not sure how far the trope's definition reaches.
"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"
Is this an example of Foil?
(For Marvel Rising Ultimate Comics' Inferno & Hulk
short)
I am unsure because I always see Foil used as contrasts, but the trope description says "This character highlights someone else's trait, usually by contrast." (Emphasis mine.) Yet, the description only talks about how a foil contrasts another character, whether through being very different, or very similar except for one difference.
Basically I'm looking for the character version of Plot Parallel, and I want to know whether Foil covers that.