Is this an example?

On Steven Universe — Pink Diamond, I don't think this counts. Kick the Dog is for when a character does something pointlessly cruel to take away sympathy from them, while Pink abandoned Spinel because she was grating and Pink thought she was holding her back. It's also an all-white entry that reads as natter.

• Kick the Dog: Pink Diamond abandoned Spinel, a Gem made purely for her enjoyment and to be her best friend to love and care for her, when she received her first colony. While she did abandon Spinel ultimately, it's unknown if she would've gone back for her, give how everything changed. Furthermore, this does not take into consideration on whether she ever could in the first place.

I don't think this on Steven Universe — Rose Quartz is valid either, since Greg certainly isn't more feminine than Rose.

• Masculine Girl, Feminine Boy: A subtle one with Greg. She was the Masculine Girl with special powers linked to growth, protection and healing (he inherited the shield from her as well as healing, though spit instead of tears), but she was a Lady of War and she doesn't respond well to threats to the people she cares about; on the other hand, Greg is the chill and laid-back Feminine Boy who is a good dad to their son.

Edited by rjd1922 on Oct 2nd 2019 at 5:38:26 AM

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I delete both.

Other characters have abilities that transform them, and D.Va still controls basically the same as any other character when out of mech. Motion to re-delete that entry.

Edited by HighCrate on Oct 1st 2019 at 10:20:11 AM

Is this any trope? YMMV.Best Served Cold:

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Fetish Fuel should not have any examples. Cut whatever you find.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Cleaning up Sonic the Hedgehog and I found these examples which are violating formatting rules via triple trope-slashing.

Obviously I want to correcting this, but I'm not sure which of the three tropes these examples fall under:

• Hijacked by Ganon/Make Way for the New Villains/The Man Behind the Man: The games started using these kind of twists once the series made the leap to 3D;
  • Sonic Adventure was the catalyst of this trend; Chaos, who Eggman had planned to exploit to destroy Station Square and build Robotnikland, ends up becoming the real threat of the game.
  • In Sonic Adventure 2, Gerald Robotnik, despite being dead, ends up becoming the major threat, with his Eclipse Cannon being rigged to destroy the Earth via Colony Drop if it got the Chaos Emeralds put into it.
  • In Sonic Heroes, Metal Sonic is revealed to be the true villain, having imprisoned Eggman and impersonated him, pulling strings so that he could copy the data of all four teams, all as part of his scheme to get revenge on Sonic.
  • In Sonic Battle, Emerl, the robot you were training the whole game, becomes the game's final boss after Eggman drives him berserk with the Final Egg Blaster.
  • In Sonic Advance 3, if you collect all the Emeralds and beat Altar Emerald's boss, Gemerl (a robot that was built from the remains of Emerl) turns against Eggman, steals the Emeralds from you and transforms into a new form, forcing Super Sonic and Eggman to team up in order to defeat it.
  • In Sonic 2006, Mephiles the Dark, who was originally Solaris until he was split between himself and Iblis, kills Sonic, which makes Princess Elise cry, which unleashes Iblis and allows Mephiles to merge with it back into Solaris, which nearly leads to the space time continium getting destroyed. Eggman is an ant compared to the threat he poses in this game.
  • In Sonic Rush Adventure, Eggman and Eggman Nega turn out to be the real threat behind Captain Whisker.
  • In Sonic and the Black Knight, Merlina is the cause behind everything that's going on in the game.
  • In Sonic Free Riders, Eggman is the main threat of the game as usual, but for the final race, Metal Sonic pulls this trope a second time by briefly taking the center stage, having gone behind Eggman's back by disguising himself as another robot so he could secretly study the other racers, and then challenge Sonic to a one-on-one race by using all the data he compiled to his advantage.
  • In Sonic Generations, Modern Eggman and Classic Eggman are controlling the Time Eater.
  • Sonic Lost World has Sonic and Eggman team up for an Enemy Mine early in the game, Eggman looking upstaged by the game's villains for the bulk of the game, but at the start of the last area, Eggman fakes his death and sneaks off to complete his final mech in time to be the game's final boss.

Just deleted the The Woman Wearing The Queenly Mask example from last page.

I think I want to remove the "male regent" thing from the trope description if that's okay, just because it might be confusing. Or explicitly say something like "while male regents are sometimes depicted this way, this trope focuses on the lens of a female ruler only" or something.

Re: XFllo from the previous page: Yeah, I'm in favor of removing it since it's also Always Female.

Probably Hijacked by Ganon, maybe Make Way for the New Villains for Lost World too.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:37:50 PM

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First off, Make Way for the New Villains ("new villain hijacks old one") and Hijacked by Ganon ("old villain hijacks new one") are opposites, so I don't think that any game can be listed under both. I would split up the three tropes and list only the games that actually fit under each one. I'm going to remove the spoiler tags for clarity here.

• Hijacked by Ganon:
  • In Sonic Rush Adventure, Eggman and Eggman Nega turn out to be the real threat behind Captain Whisker.
  • In Sonic Generations, Modern Eggman and Classic Eggman are controlling the Time Eater.

• Make Way for the New Villains:
  • In Sonic Adventure, Chaos, whom Eggman had planned to exploit to destroy Station Square and build Robotnikland, ends up becoming the real threat of the game.
  • In Sonic Adventure 2, Gerald Robotnik posthumously upstages Eggman's ransom plot by threatening to destroy the planet with a Colony Drop triggered when all of the Chaos Emeralds are put into the Eclipse Cannon that Eggman was using for his plot.
  • In Sonic Battle, Emerl, the robot you were training the whole game, becomes the game's final boss after Eggman drives him berserk with the Final Egg Blaster.
  • In Sonic Advance 3, if you collect all the Emeralds and beat Altar Emerald's boss, Gemerl (a robot that was built from the remains of Emerl) turns against Eggman, steals the Emeralds from you and transforms into a new form, forcing Super Sonic and Eggman to team up in order to defeat it.
  • In Sonic 2006, Mephiles the Dark, who was originally Solaris until he was split between himself and Iblis, kills Sonic, which makes Princess Elise cry, which unleashes Iblis and allows Mephiles to merge with it back into Solaris, which nearly leads to the annihilation of reality. Eggman is an ant compared to the threat he poses in this game.

• The Man Behind the Man:
  • In Sonic Heroes, Metal Sonic is revealed to be the true villain, having imprisoned Eggman and impersonated him, pulling strings so that he could copy the data of all four teams, all as part of his scheme to get revenge on Sonic.
  • In Sonic Free Riders, Eggman is the main threat of the game as usual, but for the final race, Metal Sonic upstages him a second time by briefly taking the center stage, having gone behind Eggman's back by disguising himself as another robot so he could secretly study the other racers, and then challenge Sonic to a one-on-one race by using all the data he compiled to his advantage.

Notes:

• I'm not really sure what to do with the Black Knight example, since I've never played that game and the example doesn't say anything about multiple villains hijacking each other.
• The Lost World example is weird.^Context Eggman, the old villain, enslaves the Deadly Six, a set of new villains, using a magical artifact that Sonic removes from his possession early on, forcing Eggman to run from them as they steal his robot army and proceed to be the threat for most of the game. But then, near the end of the game, Eggman fakes his death and builds a mech offscreen to try to finish off Sonic after he's defeated the last of the Deadly Six, so Eggman is the final boss. It's a subversion of Make Way for the New Villains, which I guess would ultimately make it an example of Hijacked by Ganon, so I'm not really sure what to do with that one either.
• I rewrote the Adventure 2 example to make it clearer about what's going on with the multiple villains.
• The examples I put under The Man Behind the Man are both instances of an old villain hijacking another old villain which don't really fit under either of the other tropes.

Edited by Serac on Oct 2nd 2019 at 12:53:36 PM

This example was just added to Castle Crashers:

• Took a Level in Badass: The PC version and the console remasters improve the stats of certain animal orbs. For example, Snoot went from +2 damage to +4 damage, and the Cardinal now gives a +2 boost to magic in addition to it's usual power.

I suspect it's misuse.

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That is absolutely a misuse. Also, there's a remaster of Castle Crashers? Sign me up!

Edit: Never mind, it's referring to the original PC version. Carry on.

Edited by Fighteer on Oct 2nd 2019 at 4:36:42 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

@Darkaros:

1) Thanks for your input about the Hot Witch example. I was just about to repost/ask again.

2) I am in favour of removing the line from The Woman Wearing The Queenly Mask, too. That's two of us, and so far no one opposed, so we have a consensus (though the smallest possible one and obviously it can be reversed if others disagree).

I think it would be good to ask in Trope Description Improvement Drive thread where tropers deal with trope description adjustments. Link.

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And just as a note to discussion: I can think of one work where male examples of both Hot Witch and The Woman Wearing The Queenly Mask would be possible, hypothetically.

I haven't read A Brother's Price, but I've seen its examples on many TV Tropes pages. The premise is that men are the rare gender and therefore generally treated like women were in the past. In this case, many Gender Flipped examples actually make sense (like one character is a Spirited Young Gentleman in place of Spirited Young Lady).

Edited by XFllo on Oct 2nd 2019 at 11:27:19 AM

The following was removed from Girl-Show Ghetto with the edit reason "Examples Are Not General".

But this has specific examples, so can it be be changed in some manner and re-added?

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• Nickelodeon has a bad case of doing this to any acquired cartoon that is aimed at girls. They will usually show it with no problem for a few weeks or months, and then pull it off the schedule for the usual reruns of SpongeBob SquarePants or The Loud House. This leads to either one of two things happening. The first and most common is to dump the show onto Nick Jr. rather than Nicktoons because of Viacom seeing the latter channel as a channel aimed at boys, which happened to Winx Club, Mia and Me, Kuu Kuu Harajuku, Regal Academy and Mysticons. The second treatment that happens is that Nickelodeon will bring the show back onto their channel a couple of times before dropping it for good, which happened with Miraculous Ladybug. There was also the treatment that was given to Glitter Force, where Nickelodeon dropped the show before it could even air, causing said series to air to Netflix instead.

17 pikachus all in a row.

Does a character count as a Scarily Competent Tracker if they have a magical ability that allows them to track others' energy signatures? The trope description gives the impression it's about a skillset they've developed and/or senses that allow them to pick up on traces left behind, as opposed to being able to tell where someone currently is.

If you can disassemble that into one example for each show, you can certainly put those back.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

From Ascended Extra:

Rebecca Chambers, an extra in the original Resident Evil, became the main character of the prequel, Resident Evil 0. Unfortunately, she suffered from Chuck Cunningham Syndrome afterwards. She did reappeared in Resident Evil 5 as bonus character in Mercenary Reunion however.

She's a pretty major supporting character, does she really qualify?

Not getting this example, and is a Fetish Fuel pothole:

IReadThatAs.N To S:

Edited by Malady on Oct 2nd 2019 at 7:01:26 AM

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Nuke it.

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Not sure if the Fetish Fuel pothole is an issue on a Just for Fun page, but maybe just remove the part in parentheses.

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I feel like it's better to lose it altogether, at least as far as I can parse what it's supposed to mean.

Note. IReadThatAs.N To S has two other Fetish Fuel potholes that I previously missed:

And that Rule Thirty Six is a redirect to Fetish Fuel, which maybe should be split off, since "Rule Thirty-Six" is not mentioned at all on Fetish Fuel, and probably should be, since it's such a notable bit of Internet Trivia??

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Again, we don't care what people pothole on a JFF page.

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Considering the problems that Fetish Fuel caused in the past, I say getting rid of any Fetish Fuel potholes on the wiki is a good thing.

All links, wicks, potholes, and wishful thoughts directed at Fetish Fuel must be removed, unless they are on policy pages telling people not to use or link to Fetish Fuel.

Edited by Fighteer on Oct 3rd 2019 at 1:32:43 PM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

YMMV.All Elite Wrestling has a Hype Backlash thats reads as such.

AEW is the first wrestling company in almost two decades in a position to compete financially with WWE. Fans already declaring them to be the one force that can put the WWE out of business months before their weekly TV show began airing certainly can definitely put people away from the hype.

However, AEW is a a newly created wrestling promotion and im sure its being misused.