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dsneybuf Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Apr 25th 2019 at 6:18:32 AM

Does this look worth adding to Star Trek Movie Curse?

Yinyang107 from the True North Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
Apr 25th 2019 at 6:21:57 AM

That seems more or less valid to me.

Maybe someday, they'll see a hero is just a man who knows he is free. R.I.P. "Grammie" Ruth Watson, 1927-2014
Eagal This is a title. from This is a location. Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
This is a title.
Apr 25th 2019 at 9:26:22 AM

Is Aki from Yugioh 5ds an example of Chickification?

I don't think so personally, but it seems to be a prevailing opinion, so I bring it here. She started out antagonistic and was regarded as an extremely skilled duelist, but after joining the main cast she wasn't nearly as strong.

It is true she got more or less Demoted to Extra in the story as a whole after the Dark Signers arc, but I feel that was a combination of Crow's ascendance and increasingly narrowing focus on Yusei's significance to the arc villains, rather than a result of Aki becoming The Chick.

On the flipside, prior to the WRGP (after the Dark Signers) she rescued Yusei when he got kidnapped and got a You Go, Girl! subplot involving her becoming a turbo duelist.

Her dueling record before and after her Heel–Face Turn is 2W2L and 3W2L.

Edited by Eagal on Apr 25th 2019 at 9:27:36 AM

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nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Apr 25th 2019 at 12:33:57 PM

[up][up][up]I have to say, this is literally the first claim I've ever seen of Infinity War having a "polarizing" reception. If anything it's been mildly surprising to me how widely positive people were given the cliffhanger ending.

Apr 25th 2019 at 3:03:38 PM

Infinity War did not have a "polarizing" reception, by any stretch of the term.

I wouldn't even call Age of Ultron polarizing, despite it actually having detractors, myself included.

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naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Apr 25th 2019 at 6:29:09 PM

Expanding on my example since I didn't get a reply. Would this be a valid entry for Always Murder(i.e. is Always Murder omnipresent enough in the Cop Show genre)?

  • Averted in The Strange Calls, a comedic Cop Show where the main characters never investigate any murders, in fitting with the show's "perfect small town" setting. Instead, the main character, a night shift officer, mostly investigates cases of vandalism, and is often assigned to menial labor to repair said vandalism instead of doing policework, which reflects his boss's Skewed Priorities. However, one episode features a bird getting killed by a cat, which is treated like a serious murder investigation by the characters even though the protagonist constantly brings up that it's not a crime.

Edited by naturalironist on Apr 25th 2019 at 9:29:18 AM

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Apr 25th 2019 at 7:20:51 PM

Always Murder is not defined as an Omnipresent Trope in crime dramas, so aversions are not valid examples.

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dsneybuf Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Apr 26th 2019 at 3:15:41 AM

~@nrjxll and ~@Primis when I added the entry to the page, I replaced "polarizing" with "less warm".

RamenChef IP Regular from UTC-6:00 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
IP Regular
Apr 26th 2019 at 7:45:06 AM

A rule that is described as "do not do this ever no seriously never do this" or dismissed as "but who would ever do that?" will always be broken by the end of the work; e.g. the "don't mention the real world" rule in Mabeland in Gravity Falls.

Would this fall under Forbidden Chekhov's Gun, or would it be a different trope entirely?

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Apr 26th 2019 at 9:22:17 AM

[up][up] The issue isn't specifically the use of the word "polarizing". Age of Ultron and Infinity War did not have noticeably worse reception than any other MCU movie. They just didn't.

Like, take a look at the Rotten Tomatoes franchise page for Star Trek, you can see an obvious drop in the reception of every other movie, save for Star Trek III. Now take a look at the MCU's page, there's not a single bad one among them, save for the audience reception to Captain Marvel, and that one was a well-known target of a review bombing.

The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, and Thor: The Dark World all got worse reception than Age of Ultron or Infinity War, and they're still considered good.

None of the MCU movies are considered bad, and there is no pattern, so this is shoehorning. Even if we did allow minor examples like "some people didn't like Age of Ultron", it's still shoehorning because you had to include Civil War to make it a pattern, even though Civil War is a Captain America movie and not an Avengers one.

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dsneybuf Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Apr 26th 2019 at 9:36:02 AM

I deleted it now, although I kind of hoped that the page listing contrived suggestions to apply the curse to 21st-century Star Trek movies would've helped me get away with it.

Speaking of which, should we move the Star Trek entry, and all its sub-points, to a "Trope Namer" folder?

Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Apr 26th 2019 at 10:22:53 AM

This is the first time I've heard the Avengers films had a large portion of people who disliked it. Thanks for cutting the misuse.

Edited by Brainulator9 on Apr 26th 2019 at 1:23:04 PM

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sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Apr 26th 2019 at 6:06:36 PM

Would this be suitable as an example of And Your Reward Is Infancy for Mortal Kombat 11?

    Since it's a possible spoiler for something just released 
  • The character-specific Tower endings in Mortal Kombat 11 feature the character you're playing as gaining control of Kronika's hourglass and powers, giving them the power to essentially rewrite history as they see fit. In the case of Jade, she initially debates whether she should use the hourglass for the benefit of her loyal friend Kitana or her lover Kotal Kahn. When she hears Kotal tell her to follow her heart, she decides to Take a Third Option. She restores her home realm of Edenia with her parents and without Shao Kahn, enabling her to live, in her own words, a happy childhood and coming of age to use Kronika's power to become Edenia's god protector.

It's one of those things that I think follows the spirit, if not necessarily the letter, of the trope.

Edited by sgamer82 on Apr 26th 2019 at 7:07:47 AM

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
MissMokushiroku Ace Gamer from Atlanta, Georgia, USA Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Ace Gamer
Apr 26th 2019 at 8:28:24 PM

Is it okay to put an example of a creator deliberately trying to prevent Draco in Leather Pants reactions on the page (specifically the visual novel subpage)? Or is there a more appropriate place for this?

Apr 26th 2019 at 9:15:55 PM

Joyce Reynolds in Hallowe'en Party manages to be a prepubescent version of this trope, being regarded by most of the adults and children around her as a lying Attention Whore and not incredibly well liked as a result. The fact that she's still a child means that it is not okay when someone bumps her off. Her brother Leopold is also one of these.

Can a thirteen year old and her younger brother really qualify as Asshole Victim ?

Apr 27th 2019 at 3:22:52 PM

Does this count, 'cause I don't think Keepers are Big Bads? They aren't really "Ultimate Villains", as much as they're the main antagonists of arcs?

Big Bad Duumvirate:

  • Dungeon Keeper Ami: Keepers Alphel and Arachne team up while Keeper Nero serves as a distraction to the bulk of Mercury's forces. Mercury still manages to stomp them.

Edited by Malady on Apr 27th 2019 at 3:23:21 AM

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Yinyang107 from the True North Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
Apr 27th 2019 at 7:02:09 PM

Half-Arc Season is about the episodes in a season being roughly half standalone plots, half arc-based plots. Does this qualify?

  • Arrowverse:
    • Arrow has a format of a main story set in the present, and another from Oliver's five years away, viewed via flashback:
      • Season 1: The flashbacks show Oliver first arriving on the island, and being entangled in the conflict with Edward Fyers' mercenaries. The present day story shows Oliver first returning to Starling City, becoming the Arrow, and slowly uncovering the Undertaking conspiracy.
      • Season 2: The flashbacks show the conflict between Oliver and his friends on the island and Dr. Ivo, which led to Slade's Face–Heel Turn. The present day story is about Oliver trying to move from being a vigilante to a true hero, while facing Brother Blood and Slade.
      • Season 3: The flashbacks show Oliver's time as an ARGUS agent in Hong Kong. The present day story is about Team Arrow being caught in the middle of a war between Malcolm Merlyn and Ra's Al-Ghul.
    • The flashbacks on The Flash (2014) don't have a half-arc themselves, but the show otherwise follows its parent series, Arrow's format with Barry fighting Monsters of the Week with a slowly building season long plot orchestrated by his mentor figure Harrison Wells.

Maybe someday, they'll see a hero is just a man who knows he is free. R.I.P. "Grammie" Ruth Watson, 1927-2014
Apr 28th 2019 at 3:44:27 AM

I'm not 100% sure (helpful, I know) but it's almost like Arrow has 2 arcs simultaneously (each season has a present arc and a past arc and later on season 6 is a bit more random, possibly fitting better to be honest, while season 7 has a concrete flash-forward arc. I sort of get it as there are often two completely different stories, but I'm not sure if either counts as 'standalone'. Flash comparatively may actually work better, as there are a fair few villain of the week stories on top of the arc villain story.

Apr 28th 2019 at 9:06:23 AM

Girls Are Really Scared of Horror Movies just describes movies above the examples section, not general horror, but it's being used for the latter (i.e. ghost stories, horror games, etc). Are these examples valid:

     On the page itself 
  • Averted in Pokémon. According to the first volume of Pocket Monsters The Animation, Misty happens to be such a huge fan of the Horror Queen novels, she'll do anything to get her hands on them, even "borrow" them from her sisters.
  • Persona:
    • Persona 3:
    • Persona 4: Tough tomboys Chie and Naoto both tend to freak out when confronted with "spooky" stuff like ghost stories. In contrast, elegant Yamato Nadeshiko Yukiko is something of a Nightmare Fetishist.
    • Persona 5: Makoto may normally be a tough, no-nonsense gal, but she's absolutely terrified of ghosts; when the team visits Futaba's house at night, Makoto asks to hold onto the protagonist's arm after they hear screaming, and after Futaba accidentally frightens her, Makoto begins clinging on the protagonist's leg while calling out for her sister to save her. In sharp contrast, elegant and refined Haru is a big fan of horror films.
  • Grisaia no Kajitsu: Yumiko is rather easily scared, that is why she stays away from her classmates' gathering of telling each other horror stories, and proved when said class decides to set up an elaborate scare prank on her. This is also why Yuuji takes her to the haunted house when they go to an amusement park on her route.
  • In an episode of The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Irwin tries to woo Mandy during a scary campfire story. Mandy just punches him in the ribs.

On Characters.Azur Lane Others (where I found a questionable use in the first place):

I do know that for the Azur Lane page the potholed trope name is a no-no, just wondering if it's valid to delete the whole thing or just remove the pothole. I feel like they fit the spirit of the trope, but it's not expanded to non-film media anywhere in the description or the Playing With page so it might just be trope corruption over time.

Edited by Darkaros on Apr 28th 2019 at 11:06:57 AM

sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Apr 28th 2019 at 9:26:31 AM

It feels a bit Zero-Context, whether it's a legit example or not.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
rjd1922 Spooky DJ from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Spooky DJ
Apr 28th 2019 at 11:26:29 AM

I don't really think this example in Rainbow Quartz's folder on Characters.Steven Universe Gem Fusions counts:

  • Walking Spoiler: Upon close inspection, Rainbow Quartz bears a stronger resemblance to Pink Diamond’s true form than Rose Quartz.

really not feelin up to it right now. sorry.
TrocyteV Relationship Status: Hiding
Apr 28th 2019 at 1:48:45 PM

QuackityHQ seems to have severe misuse of narrative tropes, especially Wham Episode, Wham Line, and Wham Shot. As far as I know, Quackity's raids technically qualify as IRL for the purposes of troping and as a result can't really be treated like they have a narrative assigned to them. Topping off this is a Whole Plot Reference example that, aforementioned issues aside, is also Speculative Troping.

I think these examples should be gutted, but I wanted to run them through this post before doing so in case someone objects.

Edited by TrocyteV on Apr 28th 2019 at 1:49:59 AM

And did you know that world-renowned author Stephen King was once hit by a car? Just something to consider.
Apr 28th 2019 at 3:18:04 PM

[up][up] Agree it doesn't. It's a clue at best and a clue isn't a spoiler

VulgarBee I AM KING OF THE BEACH!! from End of the Other Side Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Apr 28th 2019 at 3:47:17 PM

Is Bulma The Chick of the original series of Dragon Ball?

Apr 28th 2019 at 7:13:48 PM

The MCU: Spider-Man page features both Adaptational Early Appearance and Adaptational Late Appearance. I think that having two tropes with diametrically opposite meanings might confuse readers but troper Anicomicgeek disagrees. Instead of starting an Edit War, I thought of bringing the discussion here and show you what's happening.

  • Adaptational Early Appearance: His relationship with Tony Stark. In the comics, Peter was more-or-less self-taught and figured things out his own way, but eventually gained Tony Stark as a mentor when he took a job at his company, but here, Tony begins mentoring Peter when he's still new to things. Notably, Tony gave Peter the job in the comics as a cover because Peter had moved in with the Avengers alongside his wife, Mary Jane Watson, and they needed to excuse why the Parkers were living there. This Peter is still too young to get married and is still living with Aunt May. While Tony Stark was actually introduced in the comics after Peter Parker, Stark can be seen as a stand-in for Reed Richards, who Parker originally looked up to.
  • Adaptational Late Appearance: Despite the Adaptational Early Appearance with his relationship with Tony, Peter himself is this, as this Peter lived in a world where the Avengers existed for years before he became Spider-Man and idolized Iron Man. His comic counterpart actually predates Tony becoming Iron Man and by extension the founding of the Avengers themselves.

As you can see, both tropes inform about different points about Spider-Man's history, but I don't think it's a good idea to feature them both at the same time. What do you think?

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