Is this an example?

Does this look worth adding to Star Trek Movie Curse?

• The Avengers seems to have the opposite, if one counts Captain America: Civil War as their third movie. The first movie, Civil War, and Avengers: Endgame (the fifth title in this system) garnered near-universal acclaim. However, the second and fourth movies of this system, Avengers: Age of Ultron and Avengers: Infinity War, earned more polarizing receptions; Age of Ultron in particular has the lowest Rotten Tomatoes score of all of the Avengers'' films.

That seems more or less valid to me.

Is Aki from Yugioh 5ds an example of Chickification?

I don't think so personally, but it seems to be a prevailing opinion, so I bring it here. She started out antagonistic and was regarded as an extremely skilled duelist, but after joining the main cast she wasn't nearly as strong.

It is true she got more or less Demoted to Extra in the story as a whole after the Dark Signers arc, but I feel that was a combination of Crow's ascendance and increasingly narrowing focus on Yusei's significance to the arc villains, rather than a result of Aki becoming The Chick.

On the flipside, prior to the WRGP (after the Dark Signers) she rescued Yusei when he got kidnapped and got a You Go, Girl! subplot involving her becoming a turbo duelist.

Her dueling record before and after her Heel–Face Turn is 2W2L and 3W2L.

Edited by Eagal on Apr 25th 2019 at 9:27:36 AM

I have to say, this is literally the first claim I've ever seen of Infinity War having a "polarizing" reception. If anything it's been mildly surprising to me how widely positive people were given the cliffhanger ending.

Infinity War did not have a "polarizing" reception, by any stretch of the term.

I wouldn't even call Age of Ultron polarizing, despite it actually having detractors, myself included.

Expanding on my example since I didn't get a reply. Would this be a valid entry for Always Murder(i.e. is Always Murder omnipresent enough in the Cop Show genre)?

• Averted in The Strange Calls, a comedic Cop Show where the main characters never investigate any murders, in fitting with the show's "perfect small town" setting. Instead, the main character, a night shift officer, mostly investigates cases of vandalism, and is often assigned to menial labor to repair said vandalism instead of doing policework, which reflects his boss's Skewed Priorities. However, one episode features a bird getting killed by a cat, which is treated like a serious murder investigation by the characters even though the protagonist constantly brings up that it's not a crime.

Edited by naturalironist on Apr 25th 2019 at 9:29:18 AM

Always Murder is not defined as an Omnipresent Trope in crime dramas, so aversions are not valid examples.

~@nrjxll and ~@Primis when I added the entry to the page, I replaced "polarizing" with "less warm".

A rule that is described as "do not do this ever no seriously never do this" or dismissed as "but who would ever do that?" will always be broken by the end of the work; e.g. the "don't mention the real world" rule in Mabeland in Gravity Falls.

Would this fall under Forbidden Chekhov's Gun, or would it be a different trope entirely?

The issue isn't specifically the use of the word "polarizing". Age of Ultron and Infinity War did not have noticeably worse reception than any other MCU movie. They just didn't.

Like, take a look at the Rotten Tomatoes franchise page for Star Trek, you can see an obvious drop in the reception of every other movie, save for Star Trek III. Now take a look at the MCU's page, there's not a single bad one among them, save for the audience reception to Captain Marvel, and that one was a well-known target of a review bombing.

The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, and Thor: The Dark World all got worse reception than Age of Ultron or Infinity War, and they're still considered good.

None of the MCU movies are considered bad, and there is no pattern, so this is shoehorning. Even if we did allow minor examples like "some people didn't like Age of Ultron", it's still shoehorning because you had to include Civil War to make it a pattern, even though Civil War is a Captain America movie and not an Avengers one.

I deleted it now, although I kind of hoped that the page listing contrived suggestions to apply the curse to 21st-century Star Trek movies would've helped me get away with it.

Speaking of which, should we move the Star Trek entry, and all its sub-points, to a "Trope Namer" folder?

This is the first time I've heard the Avengers films had a large portion of people who disliked it. Thanks for cutting the misuse.

Edited by Brainulator9 on Apr 26th 2019 at 1:23:04 PM

Would this be suitable as an example of And Your Reward Is Infancy for Mortal Kombat 11?

It's one of those things that I think follows the spirit, if not necessarily the letter, of the trope.

Edited by sgamer82 on Apr 26th 2019 at 7:07:47 AM

Is it okay to put an example of a creator deliberately trying to prevent Draco in Leather Pants reactions on the page (specifically the visual novel subpage)? Or is there a more appropriate place for this?

• In Heaven Will Be Mine, Iapetus' face is deliberately obscured to prevent him from "accidentally appearing hot, to anyone".

Joyce Reynolds in Hallowe'en Party manages to be a prepubescent version of this trope, being regarded by most of the adults and children around her as a lying Attention Whore and not incredibly well liked as a result. The fact that she's still a child means that it is not okay when someone bumps her off. Her brother Leopold is also one of these.

Can a thirteen year old and her younger brother really qualify as Asshole Victim ?

Does this count, 'cause I don't think Keepers are Big Bads? They aren't really "Ultimate Villains", as much as they're the main antagonists of arcs?

Big Bad Duumvirate:

Edited by Malady on Apr 27th 2019 at 3:23:21 AM

Half-Arc Season is about the episodes in a season being roughly half standalone plots, half arc-based plots. Does this qualify?

• Arrowverse:
  • Arrow has a format of a main story set in the present, and another from Oliver's five years away, viewed via flashback:
    • Season 1: The flashbacks show Oliver first arriving on the island, and being entangled in the conflict with Edward Fyers' mercenaries. The present day story shows Oliver first returning to Starling City, becoming the Arrow, and slowly uncovering the Undertaking conspiracy.
    • Season 2: The flashbacks show the conflict between Oliver and his friends on the island and Dr. Ivo, which led to Slade's Face–Heel Turn. The present day story is about Oliver trying to move from being a vigilante to a true hero, while facing Brother Blood and Slade.
    • Season 3: The flashbacks show Oliver's time as an ARGUS agent in Hong Kong. The present day story is about Team Arrow being caught in the middle of a war between Malcolm Merlyn and Ra's al Ghul.
  • The flashbacks on The Flash (2014) don't have a half-arc themselves, but the show otherwise follows its parent series, Arrow's format with Barry fighting Monsters of the Week with a slowly building season long plot orchestrated by his mentor figure Harrison Wells.

I'm not 100% sure (helpful, I know) but it's almost like Arrow has 2 arcs simultaneously (each season has a present arc and a past arc and later on season 6 is a bit more random, possibly fitting better to be honest, while season 7 has a concrete flash-forward arc. I sort of get it as there are often two completely different stories, but I'm not sure if either counts as 'standalone'. Flash comparatively may actually work better, as there are a fair few villain of the week stories on top of the arc villain story.

Girls Are Really Scared of Horror Movies just describes movies above the examples section, not general horror, but it's being used for the latter (i.e. ghost stories, horror games, etc). Are these examples valid:

On Characters.Azur Lane Others (where I found a questionable use in the first place):

• Girls Are Really Scared of Horror Games: She is fiercely resistant to Commander's suggestion for horror games.

I do know that for the Azur Lane page the potholed trope name is a no-no, just wondering if it's valid to delete the whole thing or just remove the pothole. I feel like they fit the spirit of the trope, but it's not expanded to non-film media anywhere in the description or the Playing With page so it might just be trope corruption over time.

Edited by Darkaros on Apr 28th 2019 at 11:06:57 AM

It feels a bit Zero-Context, whether it's a legit example or not.

I don't really think this example in Rainbow Quartz's folder on Characters.Steven Universe Gem Fusions counts:

• Walking Spoiler: Upon close inspection, Rainbow Quartz bears a stronger resemblance to Pink Diamond’s true form than Rose Quartz.

Quackity HQ seems to have severe misuse of narrative tropes, especially Wham Episode, Wham Line, and Wham Shot. As far as I know, Quackity's raids technically qualify as IRL for the purposes of troping and as a result can't really be treated like they have a narrative assigned to them. Topping off this is a Whole-Plot Reference example that, aforementioned issues aside, is also Speculative Troping.

I think these examples should be gutted, but I wanted to run them through this post before doing so in case someone objects.

Edited by TrocyteV on Apr 28th 2019 at 1:49:59 AM

Agree it doesn't. It's a clue at best and a clue isn't a spoiler

Is Bulma The Chick of the original series of Dragon Ball?

The MCU: Spider-Man page features both Adaptational Early Appearance and Adaptational Late Appearance. I think that having two tropes with diametrically opposite meanings might confuse readers but troper Anicomicgeek disagrees. Instead of starting an Edit War, I thought of bringing the discussion here and show you what's happening.

• Adaptational Early Appearance: His relationship with Tony Stark. In the comics, Peter was more-or-less self-taught and figured things out his own way, but eventually gained Tony Stark as a mentor when he took a job at his company, but here, Tony begins mentoring Peter when he's still new to things. Notably, Tony gave Peter the job in the comics as a cover because Peter had moved in with the Avengers alongside his wife, Mary Jane Watson, and they needed to excuse why the Parkers were living there. This Peter is still too young to get married and is still living with Aunt May. While Tony Stark was actually introduced in the comics after Peter Parker, Stark can be seen as a stand-in for Reed Richards, who Parker originally looked up to.
• Adaptational Late Appearance: Despite the Adaptational Early Appearance with his relationship with Tony, Peter himself is this, as this Peter lived in a world where the Avengers existed for years before he became Spider-Man and idolized Iron Man. His comic counterpart actually predates Tony becoming Iron Man and by extension the founding of the Avengers themselves.

As you can see, both tropes inform about different points about Spider-Man's history, but I don't think it's a good idea to feature them both at the same time. What do you think?