Is this an example?

Yup, that was the game I was referring to. I'll write its example in the page. Thanks!

I think "franchises using ideas from others" falls under They Copied It, So It Sucks!

Would this count for Already the Case:

• An episode of Perfect Strangers had Larry, Balki, Jennifer, and Mary Ann take a trip to a ski lodge where their cabin gets buried by an avalanche. Larry and Balki try to dig an escape tunnel, but only manage to tunnel back to the buried cabin. Larry is about to give up when Balki gives him a speech on perseverance. He concludes the speech with "If George Washington had given up at Valley Forge, we'd all be speaking English now!"

Bumping.

Blithe Spirit has an Internal Subtrope with only three visible examples:

• The original Dr. Lao in The Circus of Doctor Lao came more as a punisher of wicked deeds than an aid.

• American McGee's Grimm, who transforms the Sickeningly Sweet Disneyfied fairy tale worlds, returning them to their Crapsack World roots.

• There's a term for this in the international tourism industry: "Walking Talking American Flag." One of the most offensive things a group of American tourists can do is break into a fervent chant of "U.S.A.! U.S.A.!" while visiting another country.

Can someone let me know which info sources go into All There in the Manual and which info sources go into All There in the Script? Is there a designated list or chart?

Reposting from the previous two pages:

From Kai's section in Characters.Mobile Suit Gundam:

• Belligerent Sexual Tension: Arguably with Defrosting Ice Queen Sayla. Their first encounter involved a Bitch Slap, she rolled her eyes at him for most of the show... it's also worth noting that Sayla fully fits the description of the ideal girlfriend Kai's describing at one point... and eventually he offhandedly and casually says he loves her. It’s not shown if she reciprocated, but as the show goes on she at least softened up with him, and Kai's the one who catches her after she escapes A Baoa Qu, when she's naturally quite happy to see him.

Since Administrivia.Examples Are Not Arguable, what should we do about this entry?

How flexible is The Devil Is a Loser? Based on the examples that I’ve seen, most of them refer to the actual Devil. However, what it’s just the Big Bad that’s the loser? For example Philip Wittebane is a big fat nobody who is trying way too hard to be a somebody, and Wittebane’s pathetic attempts to be a somebody lead to him committing all sorts of atrocities that make him the Big Bad, but eventually also leads to his downfall. Although he does seem to be a Satanic Archetype, he’s not meant to be The Devil himself. Would this be The Devil Is a Loser? Is there a different trope to describe this?

No, The Devil Is a Loser is specifically about the devil or other supernatural equivalent. Check Big Bad Wannabe.

Edited by Amonimus on Aug 19th 2023 at 2:02:55 PM

Belos is the Big Bad, though. He can't be Big Bad Wannabe

A Big Bad doesn't have to be super threatening and competent, so in this case he's just... a Big Bad that happens to be pathetic.

He is "super threatening and competent", too. I genuinely don't know what's being discussed here

Also Belos very much is super threatening and competent, it's just that his pride is his downfall, and his end is fittingly pathetic.

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Edited by ForgoLight on Aug 19th 2023 at 4:10:19 AM

Being unfamiliar, I didn't know Philip Wittebane is Belos. Still, that just means he's not either trope and this question is for Trope Finder.

For The Devil Is a Loser to count the guy must be some sort god-like being, like the actual devil or fantasy world equivalent like a God of Evil or something.

Belos meanwhile is just a man even if he does have a raging god/messiah complex

I mean that's fair I haven't watched The Owl House so I was just going off of the prompt.

The closest trope for how pathetic Belos truly is I can think of is Psychopathic Manchild, since it's clear he's just living out his childish dream of being the "Witchhunter general" so he can go back and be basked in glory for it, but he's already listed as that

I got that you weren't familiar with TOH, war. My confusion was more with the post that started this

Spoilers for Owl House. [[Spoiler:In the final season, Belos does fused himself to a Titan who are God Like and he ends up with a demonic giant form.]]

Yeah, no problem.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 19th 2023 at 7:24:57 AM

Belos still wasn't a god, he just temporarily took control of a god's corpse for Luz ripped him out and he got stomped to death

All I asked was if Belos counts as The Devil Is a Loser. He is the Big Bad, but is also a loser. The answer is no. If the Big Bad is a legitimate threat, but is also a loser deep down, I want to know if there is a trope that Belos qualifies for instead. Hope that answers your question.

Edited by cwallace135 on Aug 19th 2023 at 5:01:26 AM

Doctor Mid Nite

• Badass Bookworm: They're all skilled hand-to-hand fighters, and brilliant doctors.

Does this fit Badass Bookworm? I'm not sure if "Intelligent and Badass" is really this trope, with the description and all focusing on the "bookworm" attitude and all which none of the 3 really have.

&: I'll cut it then, not sure what you mean overall Coachpill, but cutting it seems like the best option.

Edited by JDMA12 on Aug 20th 2023 at 10:53:29 AM

Not to be rude, but...what exactly are you trying to ask?

Usually the requirements for a Badass Bookworm are dependent on the bookworm in question being prescient and often self-taught in combat. If they undermine any opponent's skills but are used to shielding themselves under pressure and performing well regardless of whether that pressure exists than they might overlap with a Genius Bruiser. When someone plots takedowns more believably but can easily be underestimated due to the fact that there's more time wasted in characters in-universe making parallels to their intellectual talents like with the Doctor MN's I'd say they're Genius Bruisers due to the pyrotechnic aspects being cool, but you could mention that in %% markup if you're really unsure.

Edited by Coachpill on Aug 19th 2023 at 10:06:16 AM

I don't think so because I don't think just being great at a profession itself is enough to count.

Bumping

Okay, so recently I did a cleanup of Humans Are Bastards because so many of them were misuse as synonyms for the "humans suck" tropes, and now I'm tackling the main page. For the sake of my sanity and your eyes, I'm just going to be covering up to the Literature folder for the first part.

I don't see how this has anything to do with humanity's capacity for good; it states they can become more powerful, but not more moral, plus this is a description of the crux of a villain's motive. There was a double-bullet under this that does say that humans can grow and improve, so turn that into the main thing?

I don't see anything being said about the characters learning how to improve themselves.

I guess the "can be" fits this trope, but this seems to lean too much into the negative side.

This reads off a bit like softcore Humans Are Bastards.

Uses the word "flawed", but seems to be more of a statement about the futility of human desires.

Same as above.

The quote in this I already cut from the Quotes page because it didn't fit by itself, I just wanted to see if you guys wanted to cut the entry, which gives a little bit of context.

I'm not too good with more flowery archaic dialect, but I don't think this has anything good to say about humanity.

It says it's zigzagged with Humans Are The Real Monsters, but it just seems plainly the latter to me considering it lists no good qualities or how Man works to improve upon these faults.

No good qualities listed with any indication of potential for improvement.

No good qualities listed with any indication of potential for improvement. The plain "humans suck" tropes are even potholed here.

No good qualities listed with any indication of potential for improvement.

Does anybody want to vouch for any of these?