just gonna put this here: wick check and opening for Hollywood Thin, when theres space
description of the issue
Really no clear definition of what this trope even is.
According to the description its: "the media's tendency to present women far skinnier than the average person as attractive, healthy and average/normal."
Actually im kind of uncomfortable with that description anyway— since its pretty much saying that women significantly skinnier than average are NOT attractive and healthy. Then it goes on to talk about shoulder width and rib cage depth, which, again, are not healthy OR unhealthy, theyre neutral genetic traits. Its also unclear if "giant breasts" is part of the requirement, or just noting that they are also unusually common in hollywood.
There could be a trope in "average women in movies are far skinnier than the real life average" or "every (attractive) female character in this show is very slender", but if there is, it sure isn't present in these examples. Maybe 2/50 fit that description
The laconic says its when underweight is presented as average, which, again, might be a trope, but is totally not what the rest of the page talks about.
So, what are the examples about, then?
(6/50) Character has an eating disorder
- Adventures in Odyssey Whit thinks she's 15 or 16) into diets, makeup and not letting her hang out with kids her age to the point where Monica - who ran away into the forest after being unable to lose enough weight for a particular dress
- Total Divas Hollywood Pudgy/Hollywood Thin: Deconstructed. Nikki gets offended when a fan calls her fat on Instagram and spends the episode fretting about her body weight. Similarly Brie panics about an upcoming photoshoot and goes on a ridiculous cleanse where she drinks nothing but juice for twenty days.
- Characters/Reba Hollywood Thin: Sue apparently aspires to be this. Despite being very fit for her age, many jokes are made about how she starves herself and exercises almost constantly, the latter of which she is usually shown doing whenever she appears. Case in point, she won't eat Reba's food. She'll stare at it and comment it looks good.
- /My Year of Rest and Relaxation Hollywood Thin: Rava desperately wants to be thinner despite being a size 4 and is jealous of the narrator's thinness (she is significantly thinner than a 4). The narrator is also treated as beautiful by everyone (including herself).
- Kristal Marshall was known for having a very skinny figure while she was in WWE. She later confessed that she barely ate at all while she was on the road - and claimed that she was "dangerously underweight". She was a much healthier weight when she appeared in TNA.
- The Real World Chicago Skeletons Hollywood Thin: she has struggled with eating disorders in the past.
(4/50) in Real Life, the actors/models are pressured to be skinny
- Average-sized Amber Benson was criticized for her weight on fansite boards, despite being only large compared to her thin costars.
- Love Island Hollywood Thin: Another controversy that's followed the show around is that, in eight seasons, they've never had a plus-size or non-thin (and that means very thin) competitor.
- Tabloids. Pick one up at random and you'll see a Shocking Exposé of some star's "embarrassing body flab" or cellulite (which roughly nine out of ten women have), accompanied by ancient stock swimsuit pics. Anyone with ten pounds of extra fat or more is considered "struggling with weight problems."
- The Kpop industry (and Asian pop industry in general) is (in)famous for having ridiculous size standards for their idols, especially the female ones. Extreme diets (like only having water and a cracker as a meal) and an ungodly amount of hours of dance practices are the norm, which has them looking inhumanly thin. There have even been some instances of performers fainting on-stage or just after presentations from exhaustion and malnutrition.
(4/50) Extended discussion of real actors body size and weight gain/loss
- Bridget Jones presented a Values Dissonance example. To pass as the British everywoman (who obsesses over a weight of 125-138 lbs), Renée Zellweger had to put on 20 pounds to carry the part. This wasn't much of an issue in Britain, but in America this put her outside the realm of "Hollywood starlet." Renee had to lose the weight before she could get Hollywood jobs again, surprising many British fans of the film with her rail-thin physique. She gained the weight back for the second film but not the third - and there was a line from Bridget mentioning that she was now at her ideal weight.
- Eminem lost the weight he gained during his drug addiction before his comeback in 2009, something that became an obsessive quest for him (as he attempted to burn 2000 calories every day, eventually wearing himself out from the overexercising). While he used this in his art to portray his Relapse Slasher Movie character, he faced significant criticism for this from the media and fans, who said he looked sickly or too different. (He would later complain about this on the The Marshall Mathers LP 2 (Deluxe) album cut "Baby".) Upon his comeback in 2017, he appeared at a similar weight to what he'd been in his late 20s, and was praised for looking more like his original self, but it also came with him developing a bit of a belly.
- Bella Twins Brie Bella]] has gotten hateful comments hurled at her by fans claiming she looks like a stick insect and "needs to eat something". This is ignoring the possibility that she merely just looks much thinner because she is next to a lot of very curvy and muscular women on Total Divas. The twins have said in interviews that Brie is naturally slimmer proportioned than Nikki. Additionally Brie is a vegan so she's bound to be a little less curvy than her sister. Showing how
Hate Dumb really is in effect, her sister Nikki has gotten the reverse of this and been referred to as "the fat twin".note Total Divas does show the effects of this trope. Brie panics about an upcoming photoshoot and tries to get her sister to do a juice cleanse with her. As in drinking nothing but smoothies for 30 days. While a cleanse is often a good idea if one wants to detox after too much junk food, it's the sort of thing that should just be done for 2-3 days at most. - Anne Hathaway refused to say her methods for losing weight in Les Misérables (2012) - she lost twenty five pounds in a short space of time - as she didn't want fans trying to emulate them. The point for the weight loss was that Fantine was starving to death on the streets.
(9/50) A pothole/link used to mean "very skinny"
- Hollywood Psych According to many print media and the internet, any previously healthy and contented young person can very quickly develop an eating disorder of potentially lethal severity if she (usually girls) see enough pictures of Hollywood Thin people of their own gender.
- Nothing but Skin and Bones: Supermodels, hard-drug addicts, and people stranded on Deserted Islands are often depicted this way.
- America's Next Top Model One has to be at least size 12 to be considered plus-size, usually size 16-24. The "plus-sized" contestants might not be as Hollywood Thin as the other girls, but aren't big beautiful women yet either. Case in point: Cycle 10 winner Whitney, who mentioned more than once that she's a size 10.
- Critical Dissonance claiming that the opinions of LayCool reflected those of WWE's management (since they used to focus on Hollywood Thin supermodel-type women)
- YMMV/Recess Hollywood Pudgy: In "The Ratings Game", a bunch of tall and skinny 5th-6th grade girls make fun of Gretchen for being chubby. Which is hilarious, considering that she's the skinniest character (to the point where she looks possibly underweight) on the show.
- Literal-Minded When Delirious debuted for Elite Wrestling, he tried to eat Cheeseburger, his opponent for the night (who had been nicknamed such by Charlie Haas on the grounds he needed to eat one).
- The Cine-Masochist Amazonian Beauty: Lifeforce review laments the loss of the days when Ms. Fanservice was an athletic Action Girl who could kick ass, rather than Hollywood Thin.
- Hartman Hips: Western Animation/Supernews Most of the women fulfill this trope, if they aren't Impossible Hourglass Figure, or Rosie O'Donnell and Paris Hilton.
- Common Mary Sue Traits She is often very underweight. If height and weight figures are given, expect them to violate physics unless she's made of Styrofoam.
(8/50) :A single character is very thin, with no further context
- Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains Hollywood Thin: She was nearly prevented from playing because of not being heavy enough.
- Deborah Norville Innocent Blue Eyes: Laura Blumenfeld of The Orlando Sentinel wrote when describing Norville in October 1997, that she was "Tall, thin, blond, and had blue eyes chipped from the sky".
- Tropes R to Z You Are Fat: Aunt Miriam, after saying that Stu "never filled out", remarks to Didi that she certainly has been eating well to the latter's chagrin.
- David Bowie Hollywood Thin / Lean and Mean: How thin is the Thin White Duke? Try 90-95 pounds on average, thanks to Bowie's extremely limited diet and drug use at the time! Supposedly, the Duke lived on nothing but red peppers, cocaine, milk, and cigarettes.
- Characters/Pacificators The Bait: She was forced to be one in order to draw Rendo away. Quite possibly the funniest scene in the whole story so far, coupled with water balloons as Fake Boobs for the Booby Trap! (Remember, she's Hollywood Thin...)
- Funny/Pacificators Taffe is a petite girl (the shortest member of the platoon, excluding Daryl, who is still growing), and Cinna is Hollywood Thin. That's why they were the only ones to fall into the water when Enlil attacked them. What makes it funny is that it happens a second time.
- Mirai Yume Academy Hollywood Thin: Weighs less than ninety pounds, and finds herself in the Instagram spotlight.
- Visual Novel/Melody Hollywood Thin: Sophia is extraordinarily petite.
(5/50) used to mean Hollywood Beauty Standards but specifically for body weight
- Real Life: Legendary actress Audrey Hepburn had a tall and slender frame at being 5'7" and weighing around 115 pounds, which made her have the ideal beauty standards of Hollywood and led to becoming many fashion designers' dream muse. Sadly, her thinness stemmed from long stretches of starvation in her early teens during the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands.
- The New '10s the rising rates of eating disorders from Hollywood's warped perceptions, the dominant pressure of The '90s and the Turn of the Millennium to be skinny steadily got replaced with pressure to be curvy (often of the Impossible Hourglass Figure flavor).
- The Last Five Years Weight Woe: It's heavily implied that Cathy is insecure about her weight. It's even lampshaded in "I Can Do Better Than That", and "Climbing Uphill". It's never implied that Cathy is overweight, but simply that—as an actress—she needs to be extra skinny to fit into the industry's very strict beauty ideals.
- Real Women Have Curves Fat and Proud: The characters in this movie consider themselves beautiful even though they don’t fit the ideal body type.
- Television Is Trying to Kill Us Hollywood Thin: Going on extreme diets, extreme workout regimens, or taking steroids and "supplements" to achieve a certain figure can be dangerous, even deadly. Furthermore, as mentioned under Hollywood Homely, even a lot of the people in the magazines don't look exactly like the people in the magazines, thanks to photo editing. Talk to your doctor before beginning any weight-loss or exercise program.
(4/50) Character/person is critizised for being TOO thin
- YMMV/Fark— Hollywood Homely: Whenever unflattering paparazzi pictures of an actress are posted on the Showbiz tab, you can generally see Farkers telling them to go on a diet (too fat), or that they should eat a sammich (too thin), or make horse puns (Sarah Jessica Parker)
- Bridget Jones On that note, Perpetua considers Bridget to be Hollywood Thin, referring to her as having a "bony arse" which surprises Bridget.
- YMMV/Chicago Hollywood Thin: Meanwhile, Roxie—played by the shapely Renée Zellweger—is told that no one wants to see her "scrawny legs" on a stage.
- Series/Ringer Invoked, Bridget is repeatedly told that she is unhealthy because of how thin she is.
(5/50) the characters are NOT thin (!)
- Video Game/Roommates Hollywood Thin: All three of the girls in the Latin House have extremely slim waists, moderately-curvy hips, and enormous breasts.
- Double Homework Hollywood Thin: Averted. Not one of the girls is super thin. In fact, Rachel (whom MC dated before) has an athletic build, MC says flat-out that he finds the average-bodied Daniela attractive, and in Lauren’s epilogue, MC mentions her curves as his favorite thing about her body.
- Mammoth City Messengers Hollywood Thin: Isabella has a significant hourglass figure, considering her age.
- One episode of Raw had Randy Orton return from injury and Vince McMahon came out and said his clothes looked like they were hanging off him and his neck looked like a stack of quarters (implying he'd lost weight because he hadn't been able to train due to his injury). Except Randy looked exactly the same as he normally does (although he was put in a suit a size or two too big to help with the effect.)
- Esmeralda of The Hunchback of Notre Dame is the opposite case, where she has a very curvy body and is quite voluptuous for someone who lives on the streets and has to dance for change.
(5/50) ZCE or cross link with no context
- Blemished Beauty
- Hollywood Old
- Hollywood Pudgy
- Series/Dexter Hollywood Thin: Debra and Quinn. Quinn is so thin his cheeks are concave.
- Girls Aloud Hollywood Thin: Nadine. It's also speculated that Cheryl was fired from the American version of The X Factor for not being this.
