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Rudy.

Rudy. Don't think the Ancient messes with him due to the scale difference. Which one is the main villain by the way?

Rudy. I don't even think the heroes ever learn the Ancient exists and he skips town to France early on, with absolutely no real interest in opposing the heroes. He doesn't really lift a finger to help Rudy

Rudy

Rudy. I'm half-inclined to the Ancient too. Incidentally, Skipp and Spector are, I believe, considered two of the founding fathers of splatterpunk.
Also, you say Rudy kills two teens for talking during a movie? To be fair, I'm sure most of us have at least WANTED to do that

I think there's a special circle of Hell reserved for people who laugh at sad scenes in theatre, whether stage or film.

Rudy.

Also I've expanded my CM watch list to two more characters on two shows I'm watching. Now one of them is in the "99 Precent Monster" area thus far, but allegedly tossed their last redeeming quality, which is why I have to ask this hypothetical; this villain was genuinely in love with another villain but became heartbroken when he finds out she didn't really love him - Is that still a disqualifying quality ?

edited 30th Apr '16 1:10:05 PM by Beast

Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!

^^ I'd say so, as it sounds like there was genuine feeling on his part.

Ditto. Now, if it goes into If I Can't Have You… territory, that may change things.

to Rudy.

I'd like to bring up Swan from Lollipop Chainsaw. This is my first effortpost but I'll try to be as thorough as possible.

Who is Swan? What does he do?

Swan is an 18-year-old student at San Romero High School. He is a goth who gets bullied by the jocks, so he bombs his school and uses necromancy to open a portal to the Rotten World to summon the Dark Purveyors, five zombies with supernatural powers. These zombies are capable of rotting anything in their path, which creates a Zombie Apocalypse. Juliet, the game's protagonist, defeats them all, which is what Swan wanted all along. He intended to use them as sacrifices to summon Killabilly, a gigantic and powerful zombie. As it is needed to complete the ritual, Swan commits suicide and his body becomes a "heart" for Killabilly. It isn't made clear whether or not Swan controls Killabilly like the Dark Purveyors, but he is still arguably responsible for the death and destruction caused by him as he rampages throughout the city.

Are his actions heinous by the story's standards?

Swan is not present for the majority of the game, but he is directly responsible for everything that happens. The Dark Purveyors, whom he has control over, zombify many innocent people on his orders, and are sacrificed themselves so that Swan may summon Killabilly, "the zombie of zombies," a giant zombie made up of corpses. While he doesn't do much personally, he still has the blood of hundreds, or maybe even thousands, of people on his hands. Most of these people did nothing to him, and probably didn't even know who he was.

That's not including the actions of Killabilly, who rampages through the city and probably causes even more deaths. While Swan's body serves as a "heart" for Killabilly, it is not clear if he actually has any control over the behemoth. However, it still makes him responsible seeing as how Killabilly is there because of him.

Any Freudian Excuse or mitigating factors?

Swan was bullied in school by the jocks, which serves as the motivation for his actions. We see a few comic book style cutscenes of what this bullying consisted of, and it did appear to be rather cruel in nature. However, I personally feel that this is an insufficient Freudian Excuse. It is suggested that the only ones who bullied Swan were the jocks, yet that group is not the only one he targets. He controls the Dark Purveyors, and specifically tells them to "rot every living thing in the school."

Swan has a crush on Juliet, and blames her for what he sees as rejecting him. However, the cutscenes and dialogue suggest that he never even talked to her before the events of the game, instead just watching her from afar and then becoming angry and jealous when she started dating Nick. He expected her to defeat the Dark Purveyors, but still intended for her, along with presumably everyone else, to die after he summoned Killabilly.

While Swan definitely has a Freudian Excuse, I think he goes above and beyond in his villainy, which nullifies it.

Final Verdict?

Swan doesn't personally kill anybody, but he's still responsible for everything that happens in the game, directly or indirectly. People who have nothing to do with him end up dying just because he got picked on in school and couldn't talk to his crush. That makes him a keeper in my book.

How comedic is Lollipop Chainsaw? The title and zombie made of corpses make me suspect.

It's been a while since I've played it, admittedly, but from what I can recall, there are definitely some comedic elements, but I can't remember Swan ever being Played for Laughs, and the zombie made of corpses is played as a serious threat.

edited 30th Apr '16 2:28:55 PM by rosewood47

Abstaining from Swan for now. Actually there was a time I considered bringing him up but had similar reservations for how comedic it was and light hearted it could be.

I think I will Swan.

The only comedic thing that I can remember involving Swan is the fact screen (which I can't link to 'cause my account's too new) which states that he "practices making broody faces in the mirror."

He's always played as a serious threat despite the many elements of dark comedy in the game.

edited 30th Apr '16 2:33:20 PM by rosewood47

• In the first Tomb Raider reboot, Jacqueline Natla is even more cruel then her original counterpart, being the true Big Bad of the rebooted series.
  • Tomb Raider: Anniversary: Originally part of a ruling council in Atlantis, the woman who would take the name Jacqueline Natla led a coup against her fellow rulers, betraying them in order to start the Seventh Age. Defeated by her fellow rulers, she was imprisoned for eternity for her crimes. She was freed by a nuclear test in 1945 and became a corporate tycoon under the name Jacqueline Natla. She asks Lara to help her collect pieces of the Scion, an ancient Atlantean device. She quickly betrays Lara and tries to have her killed intending to use the Scion to create an army of monsters that she will unleash on the world.
  • Tomb Raider: Underworld: After her initial defeat, Natla returns as a prisoner of Amanda Evert, another of Lara's enemies. Natla manipulates both Lara and Amanda for her purposes, pretending to be Amanda's ally and sending a doppelganger of Lare to retrieve some artifacts for Amanda from Lara's manor. The doppelganger kills Lara's friend Alistair and sets the mansion on fire. Wanting revenge, Lara obtains the hammer of Thor and intends to kill Natla with it. However, Natla reveals that only she knows the way to open the portal to Helheim, the dimension where Lara's mom is imprisoned. Lara agrees to work with her, knowing her treacherous nature, but wanting to save her mother. Amanda tries to stop Lara, but Natla has the doppelganger try to kill Amanda, no longer seeing her as useful. Natla opens the portal to Helheim and discovers that her mother is dead. Natla mocks Lara and reveals she personally killed her father. Natla reveals her ultimate plan, to free the Midgrad serpent, which will destroy humanity. Lara seems to kill Natla again, but she is still alive. Though half-dead at this point, Natla is still capable of petty, cruel acts, as she orders the doppelganger to kill Lara and then kill itself.

• iZombie: Vaughn Du Clark, the Big Bad of season 2, was indirectly responsible for the zombie outbreak in the series. When word got out that his drink, Max Rager, had deadly side effects, he covered this up. When he found out about the zombies, he ordered Major to hunt down and kill all known zombies to keep quiet, and threatened to kill Liv if he didn't comply. He tracks down people that give negative feedback on his product, no matter how obscure the review is, Vaughn videotapes himself killing them. At first, it seems that that Vaughn's daughter, Rita, is his Morality Pet, but when a zombie in his custody broke free, he left Rita for dead, only for her to become a zombie too. As a result, he has her detained for the rest of the season. During the season finale, Vaughn finds out that Major was only hiding the zombies he ordered dead, but was using them as guinea pigs for a potential cure. All of the cure prototypes fail and cause the subjects to become feral. Liv, Major, and Clive manage to infiltrate his secret lab, so he tries unleashing the feral zombies on them. When that fails, he decides to unleash a poisonous gas on them, the remaining sapient zombies, and even Rita, after claiming to be remorseful for letting her get zombified.
• Justice League vs. Teen Titans: Trigon is both Raven's father and a powerful demon lord. Trigon met Raven's mother after she joined a cult that worshiped Trigon, with the cult managing to summon him. Trigon took the form of a handsome man and Raven's mom was taken with him. They retire to the bed chamber for sex, where Trigon reveals his true form and rapes her. Raven's mom escapes the cult and seeks protection in the peaceful dimension of Azarath. Raven is born here, but is treated as an outcast due to her demonic heritage. As a teen, Raven becomes curious about her origins and accidentally summons Trigon. Trigon then proceeds to destroy Azarath, killing countless people in the process. Raven manages to seal Trigon in a crystal, but Trigon uses his demon minions to enact a plan to free himself. He uses his demons to possess the Justice League and threatens to murder all of Raven's friends, forcing Raven to free him. After being freed, Trigon plans to destroy Earth, just as he did with Azarath.
• Gen¹³: The Movie: Ivana Baiul is the headmaster of an academy that invites what it considers the best and brightest into its ranks. However Baiul knocks out the students and performs dangerous experiments on them every night, hoping to give them super powers and create an army of super soldiers, that she will use to overthrow the US government. When one of them, Caitlin Fairchild, develops super powers, Baiul wants her taken, either dead or alive, so she can run more experiments to create more superpowered beings. Baiul captures Fairchild's friends and has them tortured. When military aircraft arrive to investigate her base, Baiul orders them to be shot down. After the military forces get through her defenses, Baiul orders one of her troops to blow up the base. When he refuses, noting it would kill several of their own men in the process, Baiul kills him and activates the bombs after she escapes. Baiul's main henchman, Matthew Callaghan, believes the government killed his parents, but at the end of the film it is revealed that Baiul herself experimented on and killed his parents.

• Wolverine: Hideki Kurohagi is the main antagonist alongside Shingen, and, despite his initial weak and pathetic presentation, slowly reveals a far more monstrous personality. Having murdered his crime lord father to take his position, Kurohagi now runs his criminal empire from the island of Madripoor, which is in poverty and ruin due to Kurohagi allowong crime and gangs to run rampant without restraint. Betrothing himself to Shingen's daughter, Mariko, in order to gain access to her father's resources, Kurohagi treats her as his possession, regularly verbally and physically abusing her, along with implying he plans to take what is his once they are married. When Logan tries to save Mariko, Kurohagi takes every opportunity to try to kill him, in one case unleashing a giant robot to murder him without regard for the collateral damage it causes. After capturing Yukio, Logan's partner, Kurohagi nearly strangles her to death while she is paralyzed, promising to continue later when he has more time, and executes one of his own henchmen with an excutiatingly painful neurotoxin for no particular reason. When freedom fighters try to end his tyranny, Kurohagi happily orders them gunned down, and, when a young, unarmed, teenage girl tries to defend an elderly rebel, Kurohagi orders her specifically killed along with the man, resulting in her death. Confronted by Logan, Kurohagi holds Mariko at gunpoint, before blowing up an entire building full of dozens of people in an attempt to kill him. Smug, cowardly, and, more often than not, incompetent, Hideki Kurohagi repulsed and horrified everyone around him, to such an extent even his own assassin bodyguard turned against him out of disgust.
• X-Men:
  • Sublime and Kick, also known as the U-Men, are the Starter Villains, and make the most of their limited screentime to stand out as truly horrifying monsters. A pair of mutant-hating serial killers, the U-Men are known for kidnapping mutants, specifically young teens, then sadistically butchering and vivisecting them, using their organs to upgrade their own cyborg army. Along with this, the U-Men gleefully test out an experimental serum on innocent mutants that transform them into abominations in constant pain. When Kick fails at killing the X-Men, he wantonly opens fire on them along with the numerous teenagers and police officers in the area, trying to kill anyone he can. Sublime, having left Kick to his fate, returns with a powerful suit of armor and tries to kill the X-Men, before blowing himself up in one last attempt on their lives. The U-Men both spend their last moments proclaiming their hatred and disgust for all mutantkind, and were defined by these throughout the series, showing that humans could be just as wicked as the far more powerful mutants of their world.
  • Mastermind, real name Jason Wyngarde, is the leader of the Inner Circle, a group of mutant supremacists, and is behind all the evil in the series. The one responsible for Jean Grey's rampage across a city and her own death by transforming her into the Phoenix, Mastermind framed his former lover, Emma Frost, as responsible for Jean's death as revenge for Frost leaving him. Working with the aforementioned mutant-killing U-Men (who are unaware that Mastermind is a mutant), Mastermind fully endorses their crimes, and uses them to learn of a powerful mutant residing in Japan, where he uses his abilities to ingratiate himself into the lab staff of mutant researcher Yui Sasaki. Learning that the powerful mutant is Sasaki's own teenage son, Takeo, who has reality-warping powers, Mastermind spends months secretly using his powers to Mind Rape the boy into near insanity. After the X-Men out him as the villain he is, Mastermind amplifies his psychological torture on Takeo, driving the boy into a horrifying state of death-longing insanity as his powers go out of control. While holding numerous X-Men, one of which is a barely trained young girl, hostage, and using his powers to torture Cyclops, Mastermind reveals he plans to unleash Takeo's powers on the world like he attempted with Jean Grey, then watch the worldwide destruction and chaos that unfolds before him. Believing himself and all mutants to be the Master Race of the Earth, Mastermind committed all of his crimes with a polite and cheerful attitude, treating his atrocities as his "right" to perpetrate for being at the top of the evolutionary food chain.

• Jean-Michel Roger/Roget, the Arc Villain of the Synchro Arc, is the director of Security for the Synchro Dimension. Originally a member of Academia, Roger betrays the academy and attempts to take over the Synchro Dimension for himself. He creates a device that allows him to brainwash the security force into mindless drones for his future attempt at overthrowing the executive council, and conducts experiments on the dangerous criminal Sergey to turn him into an even more aggressive cyborg, with intention of having him crush Jack Atlas, thereby crushing the hopes of Tops and Commons alike. When Selena duels Yugo, to ensure she wins, he repeatedly alters the track for Selena to get action cards instead of Yugo, not caring that it puts Yugo in danger of falling off the track and dying. Later on during Yuya's duel against Crow, he activates a chip he installed in Yuya's helmet, painfully electrifying Yuya to force him into a more aggressive state, shrugging it off when told that Yuya could die from this. When his attempts to overthrow the council and dethrone Jack Atlas fail, he blows up the security headquarters, disables all elevators except for one he has himself and Yuzu take, leaving his other subordinates to die, and decides to take Yuzu to the fusion dimension in hopes that this will cause him to be forgiven by Academia. When Jack and Crow stop this from happening, Roger attempts to open up a wormhole to suck himself and everybody in the city in it, trapping them in dimensional limbo purely out of spite, telling everybody that if they won't obey him, everything in the world should disappear.

edited 30th Apr '16 2:42:23 PM by ACW

Swan, I think.

Swan

Late to Shere Khan. And personally, I felt that King Louie was the most heinous character in the movie.

edited 30th Apr '16 3:31:04 PM by Awesomekid42

As long as he's not played for laughs, to Swan. I mean no one likes getting bullied, trying to exterminate everyone is beyond an overreaction.

Still wondering about The Hidden One.

I've just commented out a Complete Monster example on Juuni Senshi Bakuretsu Eto Ranger since I couldn't find the corresponding entry on the appropriate subpage.

edited 30th Apr '16 3:39:08 PM by TheOneWhoTropes

Yeah, that's not a good writeup. For the curious:

• Complete Monster: Geton, the Jyarei Monster who invaded The Mouse's Wedding, was extremely cruel even by Jyarei standards, and considering the goal of ALL Jyarei Monsters, that's really saying something. He had his goons kidnap Cream and forced Bakumaru to make a Sadistic Choice between saving either her or the Novel World. And because he chose to throw the fight and save Cream, Geton takes advantage of his lack of resistance and draws it out by whipping him mercilessly, nearly to death, obviously enjoying every moment of it. It was very satisfying when Bakumaru dealt the finishing blow to him himself despite being horribly injured.
  Yeah, either that or it was a really old entry.

edited 30th Apr '16 4:09:52 PM by ACW

When an entry ends with talking about how satisfying the CM's defeat is, I generally take that as a good sign that it wasn't discussed on the thread.

• Lollipop Chainsaw: Swan is a student at San Romero High School who uses necromancy to start a Zombie Apocalypse as revenge for being mistreated at school. A gothic outcast who was cruelly bullied, Swan subverts a Freudian Excuse by ordering the zombies under his control to infect everyone in their path rather than only those who tormented him. This results in the deaths of many innocent people, which Swan could care less about. He states that being rejected by Juliet, the protagonist, was what sent him over the edge, but the game's cutscenes show him watching her from afar without ever speaking to her. This suggests that he's exaggerating when he accuses her of "rejecting him," and had taken it as a personal offense when she started dating another guy. His ultimate plan is to use Juliet as a pawn in his ritual to summon an enormous super zombie in order to destroy what he sees as a rotten world, all because he got picked on and couldn't talk to a girl he liked.

Good?