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I started a discussion on ATT asking if the \"Species\" identifier on most character bios could be removed, since I thought they were unnecessary. Thoughts?
I would say species is pretty useful for the alien characters.
Considering the fact that the MCU has plenty of characters of various species, I think we should keep it.
Would anyone else like to make a dedicated page for Mysterio? By that, not the individual character (unless his page grows that long), but the Collective Identity. These include:
We could also put the Elementals here.
Considering the page isn\'t only about Myserio himself, but also about his team, shouldn\'t it be named \"Mysterio\'s team\" or something like that, instead of simply \"Mysterio\"?
It seems like you guys are rolling with this now, but I really don\'t like this whole new trend of sorting by \"Heroes\" and \"Villains\". Sorting by location worked far better. I mean, now we have Ego next to Erik Killmonger.
Not to talk about the fact that there are still villains listed under cooperations. or Government etc
I\'d vote to reverse it all.
I was thinking about making a page or section dedicated to the Human Species as a whole. This is what I got so far:
I think you can add all that in the Nine Realms page, since there is already a section about Midgard (in other words, Earth) and its inhabitants (in other words, humans).
Now that Endgame is released, what do you guys think we should do with the Avengers page?
I believe we could make a new page of Avengers. Consisting of:
What could it be called? Maybe just Avengers - Current Members would suffice.
I\'d like to do this, but I feel like it\'s important to at least see what others think first.
Current and Retired / Past Members?
I don\'t see any problem with the current page, it\'s not like Stark and Cap stopped being the Avengers. Also before P4 announcements it is unclear who is indeed retired. Thor is getting his 4th movie so does he count?
Actually, we don\'t know if Thor is getting a 4th movie, just that Waititi pitched one. Based on the ending of Endgame, I find it more likely he\'ll be in Vol. 3.
Do we really call it \"The Dark Dimension\"? I mean, in the MCU, they\'re actually called \"Zealots\". Yes, including Kaecilius and Dormammu. So, the \"Zealots\" aren\'t just their mooks.
This index needs to be fixed a bit. I mean there are those in \"Other Individuals and Organizations\" who are Obviously Evil.
What if we make it like this:
(under \"Villainous Organizations\")
What\'s especially jarring for me is that you put The Lighthouse under \"Villainous Organizations\" despite only the Kree Watch, few of the collaborators, and few of the True Believers can be considered evil among them. Yet you put more Obviously Evil characters like those I mentioned above from Cosmic Villains and Evil Incs under \"Other Individuals and Organizations\". Like, seriously, guys?
Can Ant-Man, Rocket, Nebula and Captain Marvel be considered Avengers now? I feel like, especially in Ant-Man and Captain Marvel\'s case, they could be moved to an Avengers section (not sure about Rocket and Nebula, given their former Got G status). What do you think?
I think we should wait until Avengers Endgame is released.
Would anyone be open to making a page for \"New S.H.I.E.L.D.\"? The organization is fully running again in Far From Home, yet the current layout doesn\'t quite fit that status. Not sure if it\'s too early, but I figured I\'d ask. New S.H.I.E.L.D. currently consists of Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Mysterio, Spider-Man, and I suspect the characters played by J.B. Smoove, Remy Hii and Oli Hill (though that\'s speculation to be confirmed later).
This came about when I tried adding Mysterio to S.H.I.E.L.D., but couldn\'t fit it anywhere that felt right. So let\'s see what you guys think, and if not now, then it\'s at least something to consider by the time of FFH.
I would say no since we have gotten no confirmation that Fury and Hill are specifically working for S.H.I.E.L.D. in Far From Home yet. I would wait until either the film or Agents of Shield season 6 makes it clear if they are working independently or not.
Do we really need the \'heroic\' and \'villainous\' organization headers? I think it is way too simplfying, and honestly, Thanos doesn\'t fit in alongside street criminals like the Fisk Crime Ring. Just make a section about the Earth and one about the cosmos.
I\'d keep them. There are exceptions when some characters are Affably Evil or make a Heel Face Turn, but in most cases the division is straightforward. Thanos is definitely a villain and leads a villainous organization (see the page about his forces).
Also, the MCU wiki divides all characters into heroes and villains, check:
Then I think we should at least seperate by place, meaning villains from Earth, from the cosmos etc.
It\'s quite inconsistent as of now, with Hela being listed under Nine Realms etc
Also, the headerson the respective pages need to be updated too whenever one moves characters
Well, Hela is not a part of a Villainous Organization, so \"Other Individuals and Organizations\" fits her. I see your point but I don\'t think that dividing characters into \"Those from Earth\" and \"Cosmic one\" instead of the current three major groups would be that beneficial (i.e. I\'d rather see the Guardians grouped with the Avengers than the Guardians grouped with Thanos and Co). Not to mention that it would require extensive editing to change all the indexes.
I agree that some characters from the \"Other Individuals and Organizations\" section could be moved up to either of the first two sections though, but it is better to discuss on a case-by-case basis.
Does Gamora need a new page? Her section is less than 21k symbols long, and overall Guardians page is not that long either.
PS MCU films and characters page length as of 15 Jul in symbols without spaces: https://imgur.com/a/X500DI3, https://imgur.com/a/GN8k2d2
I merged the page back and redirected it to the Guardians page for now.
PS All characters with more than 25k characters of text written about them currently have a page.
Characters with pages or sections between 18k and 25k symbols in descending order:
There really need to be some sort of guideline about the limit for page length before splitting.
I\'m really unsure here. Gamora is definitely a more major character than Yondu, but she has quite fewer characters of text... and with that argument we\'d also have to make a separate page for Red Skull because he\'s got more characters than Yondu and that isn\'t necessarily imo.. yeah guidelines would be great here :D I tend towards making a separate page here but if it comes to depend on one vote I wouldn\'t really choose a side.
I don\'t see a need for it. If it is not comparable in size to character\'s who have their own pages, it wouldn\'t make sense to give her a separate page. It is unlikely to get bigger any time soon.
Now that we\'ve gotten that villain pages out of the way, I wanted to ask something else:
Would it be okay with others if I added a Citizenship stat to go with the Species stat? I feel like with the MCU encompassing characters from all over (quite literally) that we could include it. Examples:
Captain America — American
Black Panther — Wakandan
Thor — Asgardian
Black Widow — American (formerly Soviet-Russian)
Scarlet Witch — Sokovian
Peggy Carter — British
Armin Zola — Swiss
Since the MCU has such a diverse amount of characters, I figured a stat for their Citizenship would be a nice compliment to their Species stat. Since this means I\'d go through all the characters (don\'t worry, I got nothing better to do) and that all future characters would have it, I just wanted to see if you guys were cool with that.
Weird, I can\'t get this thing to look well. Anyways, you get the gist I\'m sure.
I think it wouldn\'t hurt, and MCU wikia has citizenship listed for most characters, so information can be copied from it.
Would it be okay with others if I made pages for Ultron, Hela and Killmonger? They have more symbols than other characters who already have separate pages and I think they shouldn\'t be lumped in with the others (especially in Ultron\'s case, where he\'s lumped in with Criminals & Terrorists).
Just wanted to get an opinion before I do these.
I\'m on the fence about it. They won\'t be making more appearances, but their sections are indeed quite long.
Neither is Ego, yet he\'s got his own page. Does the amount of appearances matter versus how many tropes they embody and how long they are? I feel like they should have their own pages, especially since it would save space on the pages they\'re currently on.
This is why I\'m undecided :) Let\'s wait for others to reply.
I\'m kinda unsure as well, especially about Hela and Killmonger, since Ultron was an Avengers-villain, but since they are really quite long and Ego has his own I think it\'s alright for all of them to get their own as well!
I think there could be a page for supervillains in general that have a large presence in spite of limited screenitme. Should fit for all three you listed.
So are we in agreement?
I think  suggested creating a single page for all three of them, something like MCU Supervillains. I\'d rather either keep them where they are or create a page for each of them to keep it consistent, tbh.
Yeah, I\'d rather not make a page called \"MCU Supervillains\" where unrelated villains are grouped together. If Ego can get his own page, I don\'t see why the other three can\'t.
Ultron I could see getting a page simply because he doesn\'t fit in the grouping and was significant enough of a character.
Hela for now I\'d say no. As awesome as she is, she just hasn\'t been prevalent enough, as Ragnarok wasnt even entirely focused on her. Same goes for Killmomger. They\'d only get pushed if the page they are currently on gets too long
Correct me if I\'m wrong, but I believe this is covered in Theres No Such Thing As Notability. Basically, if they embody enough tropes than they deserve a page if someone thinks so. It doesn\'t matter how \"notable\" or \"significant\" they actually are. This isn\'t Wikipedia. Given how long their pages are, I feel they should have a page.
That applies to a work in general. Wikipedia loves doing a lot of \"this work has to have had a cultural significance\" stuff, which is not the issue here.
There are priorities on which one gets a page first. They won\'t get a page just for the sake of getting a page, there has to be enough reason to split character pages into individual pages. If all of them fit on one page then they go in one page.
But it\'s not for the sake of giving them a page. It\'s because their entries are so large that they should get one. The way I see it is if that Ego can his own page, I see no reason why the others can\'t. It makes no sense to give Ego a page but then not give the others their own when they should ideally be judged by the same standard.
But not all of them need a page, or alternatively split the page into separate sections rather than one character per page. Well idk why Ego specifically got a page but for these one movie villains they don\'t really feel warranted to have one.
Splitting the character folder into separate sections still takes up space on the page they\'re on. Again, I feel like \"they don\'t really warrant a page because they only appear in one movie\" specifically goes against Theres No Such Thing As Notability where anything can be tropable and warrant a page if they have enough tropes to support it. I\'ll see what others think, because if Ego can get his page, there\'s absolutely no reason for why the others can\'t.
Then by that logic why don\'t we make one page per character from the beginning? Because it floods the site with unneeded pages.
No. We make pages for characters with enough tropes and space to justify occupying it. Ultron, Hela and Killmonger fit that criteria.
Do we have a word count limit for pages? If yes, what is it. Are the pages Ulton, Hela and Killmonger on over the limit? Would moving them elsewhere be the best fix for that?
I\'m not sure the exact number is needed, but apparently 25k symbols is a good minimum. They each exceed that and even have more symbols than characters who do have their own pages.
If the page notifies that it\'s too big then of course we remove sections and split into new pages. But you keep bringing up the reason \"because Ego has his own page\", making it sound as though they are given pages just got the sake of it.
We might not be Wikipedia, but we\'re also not a wikia. Splitting up characters into individual pages is done as a last step.
I\'m also for not splitting pages unless they are tagged as too long. There are already many pages for this franchise, it\'s daunting for the casual visitors to even find the one character they want to see. I would be, in fact, more for merging back one-character pages if they were split too early.
Because I have to keep pointing it out that saying \"this character shouldn\'t get their own page, they\'re not significant enough\" doesn\'t really hold up when Ego, a one-off character, does in fact have his own page. It\'s not because \"I want it for the sake of it\", but because they have a lot of tropes and symbols (as mentioned, more than others who do have their own page) that warrant it. I don\'t see the problem in giving people with large amount of tropes their page when they need it, it helps me find them easier if anything. It\'s clear as day navigating through the character page and besides, we also have an index.
Having all these pages was a natural result of the series its based on, nothing we can do there. We can\'t really cut down on pages when we its bursting at the seams with characters and more just keep getting added.
Well you can\'t use something that was done wrong as an example to justify more things being done wrong. I don\'t know why Ego\'s page got split, but that is not a good enough reason to warrant every Big Bad being split too.
If the size has become an issue then split the largest ones off until the page is within limits again. For now I\'d say we\'re in agreement that Ultron can safely get his own page. If the page is still too large after that then Killmonger or whatever can be moved too.
This isn\'t a case of every Big Bad getting split, just the ones that embody enough tropes in their appearance to justify it. It\'s no different than the heroes getting their own pages, it just happens that way due to how Trope Overdosed the MCU is. And whoever said it was done wrong? Now I\'m curious.
Well if common sense dictates the page is over or about to be over the limit then the largest ones get split into individual pages. I can\'t really give any other input aside from this.
Some statistics (I\'m still on the fence myself):
Some Star Wars character statistics: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Characters.StarWars#comment-113230
Ok, I\'ve done some homework :) There are currently 84 MCU character pages: 47 of them are at least partially related to movies, 37 deal exclusively with other content. I checked those related to the movies only. Here is the list of pages in symbols as of today: https://imgur.com/a/GN8k2d2. I also checked all MCU movie pages, here is another list: https://imgur.com/a/X500DI3. It appears that 4 character pages potentially need a split (highlighted in red), and the 3 villains in question would solve the problem with two of those pages nicely, so I\'m now in favor of creating 3 new pages - 1 for each of them. I would also propose to merge back two pages highlighted in green.
Alright sounds good. So I got the green light to make the pages for them then?
As soon as the majority agrees with the idea. I asked here as well: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12911386090A37310100&page=66#comment-1646 and got the reply \"100,000 text characters is likely too long\".
I get a \"404 not found\" for those two Imgur link, I would have liked to see them.
But count me in the camp for \"split if needed to reduce size\", \"merge back when still possible\".
Try to copy these: https://imgur.com/a/X500DI3, https://imgur.com/a/GN8k2d2.
The following pages were created: MCU Ultron, MCU Hela, MCU Erik Killmonger.
And a new question. Currently the Avengers page structure looks like this:
Main Character Index > Heroic Organizations > Avengers & Their Allies > Avengers Initiative (+6 subpages) | New Avengers (+1 subpage) | Allies (+1 subpage)
To me it all looks cumbersome. Here's the proposed structure:
Main Character Index > Heroic Organizations > Avengers & Their Allies (Captain America | Iron Man | Thor | Black Widow | The Hulk | AoU Recruits | Spider-Man | Bucky)
Steps to do that:
I have to agree that streamlining these pages would be a good idea.
I'd be totally up for that, the only reason why it is the way it is now is because everything was one page once and got split when it got too long over time, but if someone only now created those pages, that's the way it have been organized from the beginning.
As the whole project is a trimming down of the pages, I approve. Pages like Hawkeye, which shouldn't have been split in the first place, certainly can be repatriated back.
Also, don't hesitate doing a bit of clean-up in the process, like with indentation, it's always a good opportunity.
This seems much more organic than the current structure. The only questions I have are whether Black Widow should be merged back to the Avengers page if Hawkeye is getting merged and whether Black Panther's page should be listed under the "Avengers and Allies" page.
I disagree with the "AOU Recruits" name ("New Avengers" is what's used in-film but we could go with something like "Recruits"), but I agree with pretty much everything else. I think it's preferable to keep things in-line with their in-universe name as opposed to going somewhat meta.
Also, I'm thinking that the characters could be listed on the "Avengers and Allies" page should have Hawkeye, Ant-Man, Sharon Carter, Erik Selvig, and Helen Cho, plus details on the Avengers as a collective team. Should be more than enough content for a single page.
Black Widow's page is 19k symbols.. I don't have a strong opinion on that. As I've written below, there are 17 characters with pages longer than 25k symbols (and their list hasn't changed since 6 May), I would keep those. Now we also have 5 more individual pages that are shorter (Black Widow, Rocket, Drax, Yondu - 19-23k and Hawkeye - 12k). Hawkeye stands out, but I believe if the rest are to be merged back, the same decision should be made about all four of them.
Upd Let's simply keep the "New Avengers" then.
I believe though that Sharon Carter should be moved to the SHIELD page, while Erik Selvig and Helen Cho - to Citizens (just like Jane Foster). They are not Avengers, and all heroic organisations are technically Avengers' allies. Not a reason to list minor characters on the Avenger's page.
Please see MCU: Avengers and Allies. Anyone willing to check the formatting?
Upd I moved three remaining characters to this page as well.
One more suggestion. There is a list on IMDB with screentime of all characters in each MCU film: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls066620113/?sort=list_order,asc&st_dt=&mode=detail&page=1
It can be used to highlight specific characters on pages like this: Avengers: Infinity War. I.e. for IW all characters with at least 5 minutes of screentime are currently highlighted.
I've checked the length of all MCU (movies only) character pages (or sections) as of today in symbols (without spaces), and this is what I've got:
Here's a proposition: create separate pages for characters who are (or soon will be) in more than one movie (i.e. not Ego or Ultron, for instance), have long sections on general pages (> 25k symbols) and don't have separate pages yet, namely: Spiderman, Bucky, Strange, Star-Lord and Black Panther.
Yeah, good suggestion! Especially for Spider-Man, Black Panther and Strange since those are also main characters. But yeah, I vote to do it for all characters you suggested!
See MCU: Bucky Barnes, MCU: Spider-Man.
Upd + MCU: Doctor Strange, MCU: Black Panther
I'm not quite sure if it is a good idea to split the Guardians though.
Upd Created by others as of 01 June 2018: MCU: Star-Lord, MCU: Ego The Living Planet. Mission completed )
In the work pages, what do the bold character names mean?
These are the main characters, or "most important" characters, and they are bold so that you can find them faster in the list.
Ah, ok. Thank you for the explanation.
The latest Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. episode (5x11) introduced Ruby, a new villain, daughter of General Hale and a leather-clad masked assassin. Where should her entry be placed?
I've created a page for "Avengers and Their Allies". If you want, I could fill it up with all the tropes for the Avengers from the Avengers Initiative page & redirect all the characters to their relevant pages, all by the end of the week. Thoughts?
dmcreif made a bunch of arbitrary edits on many pages like removing the species stat and the foreign voiceover actors with asking first. Should we revert his edits and give him a warning for disruption?
i agree. that kind of stuff is uncalled for. Especially for movies with such intricate world building and international fanbase
Shall we revert the edits then?
Really late, but we can revert the edits if it's necessary.
I actually appreciate removing the species stat if characters are simply human. Most Writers Are Human, after all, so there's no reason to clutter character entries and bring these pages to breaking the character limit with something people will assume default.
I'm thinking of mixing the Kamar-Taj and Sanctum Sanctorum pages into one page called "Masters of the Mystic Arts" or "Sorcerers," so that most of the cast of Doctor Strange is on one page.
I'd like feedback, but I'll just go forward if there isn't a response to this in a week.
I agree, I don't really see a reason to separate those into two pages. I'd vote to call it "Masters of the Mystic Arts".
Really late, but I'll get onto that.
Does Meredith Quill have a character sheet? I can't find her.
MCU: Citizens - She's here
The Inhuman Royal Family Page has next to no tropes and at current is useless. I believe it should be deleted and any tropes being moved to the main Inhuman page. Thoughts?
I think the New York City Citizens page is getting too long. Any ideas on how to split it?
Split it so the Peggy Carter characters are separate. Seperated by areas of New York. Or shows or movies they appear in.
The individual Star Wars films have a system where if you press the Characters page, it leads to an index and therefore specific parts of the film spanning character page.
Should the MCU films use a similar system?
With LM Ds now impersonating agents (May, so far) and having tomato surprises, we have to consider how we handle it on the character pages. Do we treat LMD!May as May or do we treat them as separate individuals?
I propose creating another page for Supernatural entities.
Right now we have Dormammu and both Ghost Rides in the Others page. With the 3 of them there are enough to merit their own page.
The ghosts currently in the Gifted page would also be a better fit there.
If we mix it with the Kamar-Taj page I think it could work. I'd suggest it in the Repair Shop first though.
I heard that after Infinity War there will be a New Avengers movie, so this title could be sort of confusing...
How about reorganising the page into something more akin to the Star Wars Characters page, splitting the characters off into sub-sections???
I think things were better when characters were organized by their respective films. I think this new way of filing characters is confusing and hap-hazardous.
I strongly agree with this. The new arrangement is incredibly confusing and I think incredibly counter-intuitive considering the amount of individual series of movies and shows there are in the MCU.
Who made this decision anyway? A moderator?
I'm not entirely sure if it was a moderator, but the discussion thread about reorganizing things is here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1457851228077461700&page=1
Yeah, this page is a complete mess and an eyesore, with no indication as to which characters go where.
Yeah, I despise these changes too.
^^ How so? The page names give pretty clear indications as to what kind of characters go on each page, and notes are being added on the index that tells who goes where. This was a necessary switch since there are many characters now whose most prominent appearances are not in the movie/series they first appeared in and organizing them in such a way no longer made sense.
It's nice for the universe as a whole, really shitty for people trying to look at character sheets from individual works.
I really don't like the changes but my objections got outvoted.
honest find a single character in this caos is a challenge.
New subpages would help the articles to become less cumbersome. If the Council of Nine and the Chaste have their own page, why not The Hand or Leviathan?
A lot of the tropes on the new character profiles seem presumptuous. How much do we know about these guys and how much is from the comics that we assume will be left intact - ie, Black Panther being a king, Klaw killing his dad, Dr. Strange being a martial artist and being arrogant before his accident.
Since this a shared universe where the events in one character's movie affect the events of another character's movie, I have been thinking of doing the pages in a way that organizes them by the group they're associated with rather than by character franchise.
I support this
I'll start on some Sandboxes now. Please let me know what changes should be made.
It doesn't seem that anyone is interested. I'm still awaiting suggestions on how to improve the sandboxes.
The Guardians of the Galaxy should get their own page.
Let's say I'm a new person to the MCU, having only watched one film...
How the heck am I supposed to find a specific character?
^ That's easy. I'll unmark all of the spoilers up to Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Season 1 of Agents Of Shield.
Look, we have many characters the cross over into other films or series (cough cough Howard Stark cough), and there are other film sheets with a similar design pattern to mine like Star Wars. In any case, these sheets are not meant to appeal to those who just started watching the movies.
^^ Did something similar by splitting the heroes and the villains while moving the non-affiliated to the Unsorted page.
I will put Gordon in Unsorted Characters for now. I will move him when more of his personality and alignment is revealed.
I think we should go back to the way things were. I find this new system highly confusing!
Why is Howard the Duck on this page instead of the Guardians Of The Galaxy sheet? He's only been in that one movie and, to my knowledge, there's no plans on putting him in others.
I am guessing the statement by James Gunn that they could appear elsewhere as well prompted it.
I never once heard that. In fact, I've heard the exact opposite, that he was put in as a joke and not to expect a lot from him.
And either way... I still don't see why that would get him on this page instead of the GOG one. I'm going to move it to the GOG page.
So, where would we put characters like Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch? Should they go on the main character page, or should we create an Avengers-specific character page?
Main character page.
Thanos as the Bigger Bad vs. just Man Behind the Man: He's too directly involved with the plot to be the Man Behind the Man. I suppose he's technically the Man Behind the Man Behind The Man, but he had been directly involved in the plot since before his first appearance.
At the very least, the writeup was specifically about Man Behind the Man and made no indication that he's a Bigger Bad.
EDIT: I'm okay with the current writeup.
Hmm. With SHIELD now confirmed, a question to ponder. Should we build a SHIELD page for the cast of the show specifically? Or should we build a separate page for all SHIELD characters, including those who don't appear on the TV show?
Before I add this in to either this or the Film/Thor Character Sheet, I got to ask everyone's opinion on this:
Would Thor qualify as a Gentle Giant after his Character Development in the film Thor? Or maybe even before being humbled.
He is most certainly a polite gentleman who keeps his promises, before and after; but he is still headstrong and violent all the way through his character arc. I also noticed he has yet to receieve the Nice Guy trope that Steve has in his section.
Any thoughts on the matter?
I don't see any problem with it.
So, under what circumstances in the future should we take a character or organization under one entry, and split it out into its own folder? I'm specifically thinking in terms of Hydra: if Hydra shows up in a major role outside of Cap sequels, should it get its own folder?
Only if it gets too large. So far HYDRA's just appearing the First Avenger film and First Vengeance comic. SHIELD gets its own folder because there's many Agent characters. But there are only three HYDRA characters.
Since the folders were getting too large, I've separated them by movie. If you guys prefer the old version, message me and I'll send that format.
Also, if anyone is going to add the new non-SHIELD characters from Item 47, you could put them in Stan Lee's section and rename that folder "Other" or "Bystanders".
Would it be too much to include Stan Lee in the character's list?
Can we stop assuming that the Marvel Loki is Sleipnir's mother? The original Norse Myths and the Marvel Universe are two very different things, and as a fan of both, I'd appreciate if people could try to keep them apart. </rant>
Where is the recent spate of insistance that the Super Soldier serum was finished when the Red Skull took it coming from? Erskine explicitly says in the movie that it "was not ready", though he thought Schmidt's character played a bigger role in the way he turned out.
Yeah, the reason it wasn't complete in The Incredible Hulk was because Erskine never wrote down the formula before his death. Only Rogers ever got the complete version.
Read here. It says here that he was taken away to make the serum, and so Red Skull took it when he was brought to him "to finish the serum". If you have any deliberate evidence otherwise in the film, fine, but say what that is first. Until then, saying it is unfinished seems less accurate.
...Um, "the unfinished serum made Schmidt stronger, however it also caused a combustion reaction that horribly scarred his face, disfiguring its appearance to that of a hideous red skull."
Hitler gave Erskine to Schmidt "to finish the serum", and Schmidt said "screw that" and took it before it was complete. Do you need stronger evidence? It seems weird to be so stuck on this one point.
Okay then, that's all I needed. I misread.
Are the individual character pages for other films necessary since we have this joint page that lists the same characters with the same descriptions and tropes?
And would it be helpful to organize the page differently after release of The Avengers by bringing Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Nick Fury to the top of the Heroes section, and maybe Loki to the top of the Villains? As of now, it's just in order of film release.
That still seems most appropriate. Loki may be an Avengers antagonist, but he is primarily a Thor villain.
No reason was given for taking away the spoiler tags on many of the items in the characters, particularly Loki. They were spoilered so that people would not get spoilers too early on certain things. I mean, by all means, the Chitauri don't need a spoiler warning (they're introduced within the first FIVE MINUTES of The Avengers, BEFORE the humans even are shown), but Loki? I don't think that's really called for.
I took off many of them. The tropes themselves are not supposed to be covered up and many of the spoilers were shown in trailers, are now examples of It Was His Sled, or simply did not spoil anything at all. Is it really that much of a spoiler that Thanos is played by some obscure actor?
And honestly, Thanos' name should not be a spoiler since his picture is clearly visible. Comic fans will come onto this page and instantly recognize him. For the average non-comic reader, they have no idea who Thanos is anyway so seeing his name spoils nothing.
Who is "Elsa Bloodstone"?
Monster hunter from a family of them. A bit like Van Helsing (or maybe the Belmonts). Her dad is Ulysses, another Marvel character. She had her own series and she was in Nextwave, but she's fairly obscure, I think?
This page isn't needed, since we have a Character Sheet for each individual movie.
Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk don't, and neither do the many third party characters like Maria Hill or Nick Fury. Ax this page, and you lose a lot of useful info.
Ironically we have to split it now anyway, since it's over 500K and on the list of "big pages that need splitting", so it might be worth revisiting this matter. Should we just straight out split it, or should we move the tropes for each movie to their individual character sheets and keep this only for franchise-wide things like SHIELD and original characters from the One-Shots?
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How well does it match the trope?