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May everyone please go into the character pages and change “appears in” to “appearances”?
Since everyone believes it is a good idea.
I believe that we should change the part of the character pages that says “appears in” to “appearances” because it makes sense. Am I the only one who believes this?
Honestly, I don\'t think anyone will even notice if you change that :)
I\'m not actively editing Star Wars pages, but I\'ve gathered some statistics as a part of a discussion for another franchise (MCU). Here is the length of all individual Star Wars character pages or sections longer than 20k symbols without spaces:
In addition to that the following characters have separate pages 17-11k symbols long: Star Wars Yoda, Star Wars Boba Fett, Star Wars Chewbacca Character Sheet, Star Wars Lando Calrissian Character Sheet.
I\'d create separate pages for Rey, Alexsandr Kallus and Thrawn.
So, Star Wars Resistance Heroes/ page is currently 118 027 characters long, and I was told that qualifies for a split: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12911386090A37310100&page=66#comment-1646 Also, there is an agreement between tropers editing MCU character pages that all characters with over 25k symbols of text get a page. I think it is safe to do the same here.
I\'ll go on and create a page for Rey.
Where should the new characters from the upcoming Solo movie fit in? I was thinking Tobias Beckett, Qi'Ra and L337 should fit in the criminals subpage. Or is it too early to add a character sheet.
The one-character pages are getting out of hand. It made sense for characters like Vader with a gigantic number of tropes accumulated over four decades, but what's the point of the Resistance Heroes page if its just BB-8 and Rose? Why not just put Rey, Finn, and Poe on the page so that anyone interested in them only has to load one page to read everything?
Length isn't an issue, since that page and the other ones that were split are hundreds of thousands of characters away from getting close to the warning point for page length. Is it okay if I move back the Resistance Heroes to said page, Kylo Ren to the First Order page, and Yoda to the Jedi Order page?
Regarding character images - there seems to be some degree of inconsistency in whether characters should have multiple images or not, and what the most appropriate image is - I was under the impression that on-screen appearances in the films overrode other ones unless they were too low-quality. What brought it to my attention was Wullf Yularen on the COMPNOR page and Gregor on the Clone Troopers page.
The former only had an image for his appearance as a young Republic admiral in the animated Clone Wars cartoon despite the fact that he appears in A New Hope as a background character, while the latter had four images: two of him without his helmet (before and after a makeover), one of him in Rebels where he's significantly older, and one of him in his helmet. I did my best to trim the latter down and replaced the former with his on-screen appearance in ANH, though someone re-added the old image above mine. I guess the idea there is to show when characters undergo radical appearance changes? My problem with it is that it's pretty inconsistent - for example, Dengar, Greedo, and Bossk's entries on the Bounty Hunters (Republic Era) page all use only one image of them, each taken from their on-screen moments in the original trilogy.
I know it's sort of a minor thing, but I feel like we should set an actual standard for this, since it's kind of chaotic and all-over-the-place as is. Heck, some pages can't even agree on what order to put multiple images in — Mon Mothma's entry puts her prequel image after her original trilogy image.
Should we really be compiling certain character pages under that of a major work, like how Catalyst, Guardians of the Whills, and Rebel Rising go into the Rogue One character page, the Rebels Magazine page goes into Rebels, Join the Resistance goes into The Force Awakens, etc.?
Because the problem is that while yes, the works accompany the more major works, some characters are exclusive to only one of the works, so unless we have an indicator (which would eventually get messy, like if every other character was bolded or asterisk'd or something), it just seems confusing to navigate (ex. "He was in X? I guess I wasn't paying enough attention.").
The only thing I'd say it would be okay to do this for Son of Dathomir, The Dark Disciple, and other The Clone Wars: Legacy (otherwise known as the missing The Clone Wars episodes) works under The Clone Wars page.
How does this look for a page image (an official poster containing all the major characters from the trilogies to date)?
Looks good to me.
Shouldn't Director Krennic and Galen Erso be on the page for the Death Star crew?
Should I add separate entries for each type of Stormtrooper variant (e.g. Snowtroopers, Flametroopers, Death Troopers, etc) or incorporating them into one entry in general?
Does Backstroke of the West belong anywhere here? Because I can't think of anywhere else to put it.
Should we put In the Blood under Kylo Ren's entry?, considering that like his grandfather before him, he's a Jedi who turned Sith.
That's fairly spoiler-tastic, IMO. Also, a request for the Locked Pages thread in the forums.
When the pages are unlocked, should we create new subpages for sequel triolgy characters.
I guess The Resistance and The First Order sub pages at least.
Just so we're clear - the Maz Kanata picture I posted a few days ago is from a TV spot. It's the best in-movie picture we have (not counting the poster obviously), and I know it's very blurry, but it's just a placeholder. Once there's a clearer picture, I'll replace it.
So now that there is a New Republic in the aftermath of Endor, how should the Rebellion pages be handled? Should the titles be changed to "Rebel Alliance and New Republic", "Rebel and New Republic Heroes", and "Rebel and New Republic Pilots"?
Since we have so little on the The Force Awakens characters we don't even know what page they should be listed on, suggest we leave them of until we have more to go on. This is Star Wars after all, there'll be comics, novels and more to set up the film
Yeah, none of those tropes have anything to back them up or are misused.
So crazy suggestion but since this franchise has so many really iconic vehicles and vessels, would it be worth listing them here or in there own page? Probably not but thought I'd ask to make sure.
So, I was thinking that since everything is supposed to be one coherent canon now, should there really be separate entries for characters here and then on (for example) the Clone Wars series? The Anakin, Yoda, Obi-Wan, Kit Fisto, Nute Gunray, Ackbar, Mon Mothma, Tarkin, etc. in that series are the exact same characters who are in the films and both are the same level of canon now. Does it really make sense to separate them? Shouldn't that be one overarching hub page for all characters in the new continuity, without multiple entries for characters? It would be relatively simple to merge them and just have the character tab for The Clone Wars, Rebels, etc. simply link to the character hub page for the franchise.
Methinks you ought to refer that to the Trope Repair Shop Discussion linked above.
Honestly, it just make each character page an overly congested mess.
I'm guessing that that is what happens if you merge several storylines together.
Since the Trope Repair Shop Discussion isn't open for, well, discussion, I'll be leaving this here: I'm currently in the midst of reorganizing the Star Wars character pages with sandboxes. I've mapped out the groundwork, and I've even prepared shiny new pictures. Now it's just a matter of filling them up and cleaning out the unneeded bits.
Is this a trope for Obi Wan?
Screw the Rules, I'm Doing What's Right!?
Yep, seems to fit.
Re: Lando as The Stool Pigeon
I don't see how this applies. The trope defines this as someone who "rats out" their friends, but Lando didn't rat anyone out; the Empire already knew Han & co. were coming to Bespin and got there first. Certainly he helped trap them, but that's not the point of the trope.
Why are Vader and Anakin separated? Vader is just dark side Anakin, not a entirely different character.
Because he is both a major protagonist AND a major villain.
@Deusirae76 "he is both a major protagonist AND a major villain." That's wrong. Vader is still The Protagonist of the film series, just a different type. I think the two entries should be molded, and moved into the Protagonists folder of the "Both/Other" page.
Darth Vader stands alone as a character for the original trilogy (where he isn't the protagonist, though he may be for the series as a whole). His backstory is removed enough — especially for episodes I and II — that he effectively is a separate character, and definitely is treated that way. Most people would associate Anakin Skywalker with the sequels and Darth Vader with the originals, so having him split over both pages is reasonable.
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