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openUser deleting MLAATR examples w/ no reason given
deanna911 appears to be deleting random My Life as a Teenage Robot-related examples on different pages. They've deleted several examples on different pages about Word of God stating Sheldon would have gotten with Jenny (though that might make sense since there's no direct source, their lack of edit reason makes me think there's some kind of shipping agenda going on), and they've also deleted: a Sheldon example from Woobie.Western Animation (which is a YMMV trope so deletions can't be based on opinion), several examples on Characters.My Life As A Teenage Robot (some of which don't even mention the ship) and two MLAATR examples on StalkerWithACrush.Western Animation. I sent them a couple PMs about using edit reasons and not deleting YMMV yesterday, but I haven't gotten a response yet.
Edited by N8han11openProblem troper
antimisa could use some talking-to about how things work on the wiki.
Their latest edit here has the edit reason "Put spoilers if needed but DON'T DELETE MY EDIT FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!" I can't see anywhere on the page history where an edit of theirs was deleted anyway, so it seems they're just trying to stop people from deleting it at all.
Their Headscratchers pages here and here were not indexed and are not formatted correctly, just blocks of text in the middle of the page. ''This'' headscratchers page was already cut for being about a trope instead of a work.
This page for Awesome Music has no context or examples. It just said "Chopin, Shostakovich, Rossini, Bizet, Tchaikovsky... How much more do you expect?" before mlsmithca hid it for being a ZCE.
Some of their edits are so vague bordering on being ZCE. Their Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male example keeps indenting and indenting for no reason. Their edits here also have poor grammar (I can't tell if it's improved since), and the edit reason states "The biased information is fixed... this page supports the torturers, that's why future edits will be made by those who support the tortured ones. Besides, the head of the girl posse is Heather, Bridget being her best friend. Bridget is NOT the leader, watch the movie again you who didn't watch it carefully."
This page has Audience Reactions like Ho Yay and Tearjerker on the main page of a work.
I'm sorry for this huge wall of text but basically, this troper's problems go all around the wiki and I have no idea where to begin.
Also...Maybe I am going way too far down the rabbit hole here, but while looking at their edits, I noticed that a troper called "feral" on this page put in a link to a journal by deviantart user antimisa. feral's last edit was made on the day that antimisa's first edit was made. I don't want to make assumptions, and maybe they just wanted to change their username, but is it possible that maybe antimisa is feral ban-evading?
openTroper changing a lot of stuff without discussions Live Action TV
Troper robin8821 seems to be on a editing spree for character pictures. While that in itself is not something bad, he has changed a whole lot of stuff (see here) without any discussion I could see. He seems to replace a lot of pictures and even outright delete some of them, without any real apparent reason.
Edit: Keeps going as we speak. I honestly think most of his pictures aren't an improvement, quite the contrary.
EDIT 2: He also left a whole lot of "Some caption text" captions.
Edited by Forenperseropen ROCEJ Potholes?
Something I've noticed time and time again on this wiki is people punctuating entries on dicey topics with condescending remarks like "and that's all that will be said about that" potholed to the ROCEJ page.
I feel like it's kind of awkard and in violation of ROCEJ in and of itself because of the slightly arrogant tone that adds to the text and because it comes off almost like it's daring some idiot to start an edit war over the entry in question
It's a habit I almost think should be banned and an effort started to clean it off the wiki.
openWeird edit on Love to Hate
On the Love to Hate page, a Troper changed these two examples:
- Dimentio from Super Paper Mario is liked for his suave charm, playfully witty one-liners, and for his supreme Manipulative Bastardry... as well as for being one the most shockingly dark and depraved villains ever to be featured in a Mario game.
- Ghetsis from Pokémon Black and White, who is very liked to the point that fans were ECSTATIC when a clip from the trailers showed that he will be returning in Pokémon Black 2 and White 2, with a legendary of his own no less.
To this:
- King K. Rool from Donkey Kong Country is liked for his suave charm, playfully witty one-liners, and for his supreme Acrofatics... as well as for being one the most shockingly dark and depraved villains ever to be featured in any Mario game.
- Gruntilda from Banjo-Kazooie, who is very liked to the point that fans were ECSTATIC when a clip from the trailers showed that she will be returning in Nuts & Bolts, with a vehicle of her own no less.
With the only edit reason being a single word: improvement
Given how the new examples are basically the old ones with new names, it seems like the troper altered them because they personally did not like Dimentio and Ghetsis. I am going to change it back, but should I PM them and let them know that however they personally feel about an entry does not matter, that an entry is never 'wrong', and that they should stop acting like they are Righting Great Wrongs?
openShipping Wank and Character Bashing Live Action TV
Vrotdugi made this edit to Supernatural deleting most of the entry's commentary on what I have found to my knowledge to be accurate and neutrally-written descriptions of the criticisms viewers had about the ending, changing it to complain about Destiel (Dean/Castiel) shippers, even though the debates over the show queerbaiting with Destiel have become a mainstream issuenote On that note, the edit that claims all of the staff have spoken out against Destiel being a thing is also blatantly untrue: while some have certainly denied it and possibly chalked it up to delusional shippers, others have openly supported it and the show features several characters who openly behave like an explicit Shipper on Deck, which means the situation is more accurately described as Armed with Canon or intermittent Running the Asylum by more ship-friendly staffers. In fact, multiple Word of Saint Paul openly supporting Destiel is the main reason why the show became so controversial, since it made accusations from fans of Western Bait-and-Switch Lesbians credible for once as the creators couldn't fall back on the reliable method of calling them a platonic duo with Relationship Writing Fumble-induced plausible deniability otherwise..
They also removed this entry describing the show's Take That! jokes aimed at Wincest (Dean/Sam Winchester, who are brothers) fans. Though I'm not especially sad to see the latter gone due to its inherent negativity, the entry was accurate and written objectively, and they gave no good reason as to why they removed it.
As someone who does not watch the show but is somewhat familiar with aspects of it through (mostly non-shipper) friends who do, I started watching the page to guard it against potential Fan Dumb and Hate Dumb vandalism in the wake of the various November 5 controversies. Since then there's been several entries about Castiel which even I found to be excessively negative. And looking at their past edits I noticed that indeed they were all by this same troper. More specifically, they added this entry accusing Castiel of being a Villain Protagonist who is cruel to one of the heroes (given the show, literally all of the heroes are guilty of major wrongdoing and he is not unique), as well as this Unfortunate Implications entry accusing him of being abusive, which I deleted and rewrote because it did not even bother to provide a qualified citation, on top of being obvious character-bashing.
While Castiel isn't a character without controversy or legitimate reasons to dislike him, it's usually not centered around these particular issues. In particular, both of these interpretations are widely considered to be Ron the Death Eater takes from the extreme end of the Wincest shipping fandom by people with a Die for Our Ship grudge against Castiel, or hardcore Sam Winchester stans who are convinced that Castiel "wronged" their fave. In other words, a Vocal Minority opinion, and not one that is shared or considered rational by a large part of the audience.
Together it is clear that they are posting with a clear shipping agenda at work. I'm not going to criticize them for their choice of ship as I quite frankly do not care for ship wars or arguments on their morality or not. But as someone who has dealt with cleaning up shipping-related vandalism on multiple pages in the past, it's a huge Berserk Button for me, to the point that I've started following pages such as these specifically to keep that kind of garbage from happening on my watch (which inevitably did). If Vrotdugi sees this thread, I should make this very clear: we do not tolerate that sort of behavior on this website.
Edited by AlleyOopopenJHD's impatience
I've avoided an ATT report because this has been largely restricted to the fora, but nothing has really happened after two hollers, so I figured it's worth another report.
JHD has a habit of impatience in the Projects fora, which results in them either berating people for not focusing on what he considers important (without taking any initiative himself) or taking unilateral action despite a lack of consensus. Some examples:
- In the So Bad It's Horrible cleanup, they kept asking if we should remove some listicles from Horrible.Other and the Music subpages. The discussion didn't reach consensus, but when their attempt to revive it was overlooked, they just removed the lists unilaterally instead of just reviving the discussion. (They did eventually make a spinoff thread to properly discuss the issue.)
- In the Deader Than Disco TRS, they got snappy about not receiving constant updates on how many wicks were left, despite that being visible from the Related tab. Note that they weren't really doing much wick cleaning themself.
- They've had a history of impatience in the Wick Check Project especially. Their early posts in the thread were first a lot of double-posting about their progress doing a Deader Than Disco wick check, and once they decided they weren't good at doing wick checks, they got fairly pushy about us doing that wick check (they've admitted that changing that trope was the main reason they joined the site). Then after deciding they didn't have time to work on the Ho Yay wick check (which is fair enough), they were still ignorant about exactly how to fix the trope despite previous failed TRS threads, which again, is fair, as they can't solve everything. But they seem very reluctant to even try. And now today they just tried to cutlist the newer Ho Yay wick check because "It's dead, and will never go anywhere" despite nobody else giving up on the effort and people working on numerous other threads at the same time. Once again, they just decided to make a decision based on their own feelings about a situation rather than actually discuss an issue properly.
He was brought up earlier for his somewhat judgmental ATT questions, but I didn't think it was that big of an issue because he seemed to be listening. But he's still continuing to be disruptive, even after multiple warnings to stop this hasty behavior. Their role in the projects is less contributing to the effort and more yelling at other tropers to contribute because they gave up on trying to help, despite the fact that these are collaborative efforts and we've given him many tips on how to contribute.
openVandal
Joebavex vandalizes pages for Hearts of Iron mods (specifically on The New Order Last Days Of Europe and associated subpages), deleting all content from pages and replacing it with trollish phrases.
Edited by MagnimikopenRakdos is making very political edits
A troper called Rakdos is making a lot of politically biased edits.
Here, he replaced "Bill O'Reilly" with "John Oliver", and erased another entry that makes it clear how the character resembles Bill O'Reilly.
Here he says that "Since Trump stepped down after losing the election, John continues his biased rants against conservative and right-wing views." And his edit reason is "He has not stopped his bullshit about conservatives and right-wingers in generals."
The worst example is here, where he changed "undocumented immigrants" to "illegal immigrants" once, and changed plain "immigrants" to "illegal immigrants." He also removed the word "filthy" from "filthy detention camps."
The edit he deleted here does break ROCEJ in its phrasing, I'll give him that, but his edit reason, "Political bitching about President Trump being "sinister" by holding a light orb." isn't very nice.
Here he claims that "Systematic racism is a lie, made up to justify rioting burning shops that had nothing to do with the "problems" down. BLM are the White Fang." [The White Fang are an evil group from RBWY.]
In short, the guy's clearly here to make the wiki conform to his political agenda.
Edited by MichaelKatsuroopenIP Check Requested
A spin off of this thread. I'd like for the mods to check into morpmorp's account. Based on details outlined in that other thread, it's suspected that Morp is actually Lily Orchard herself, ban-evading and edit warring to keep her page the way she wants it.
Even if Morp isn't Lily, they're exhibiting serious ownership issues and are attacking other people, having made two other threads specifically to call out editors they were fighting with. They're also insistent on labeling Lily's ex as abusive, when that's a controversial claim and not the neutral stance they claim to be taking.
All in all, something doesn't add up here.
resolved AbsoluteRainbow
I know that Absolute Rainbow is already forum suspended, but I have concerns with their handling of the Evil Is Sexy cleanup as well. While I appreciate anyone who wants to join in on TRS cleanup, they're doing it in a really sloppy way. I just had a long back and forth over PM with them because they made the mistake of not moving a Sexy Villains, Chaste Heroes wick off of a YMMV page. They eventually decided to put it back as Evil Is Sexy and then hide it, after which I finally managed to convince them to just delete the thing... On one page, anyway, as on another they kept the hidden EvilIsSexy wick up. They seem to have a weird aversion with the idea of deleting these examples, which leads to other issues such as them replacing things with These Tropes Are Evil and Sexy (the index), hiding other examples, and generally misusing Sexy Villains, Chaste Heroes even when heroes aren't mentioned in the example... among other issues.
It seems like in general they have an issue with rushing into things and not fully understanding the rules. It's what caused their TLP ban a while ago, and I noticed them breaking the rules of The Pantheon Thread when I was there discussing wick cleanup last night. I know I could just send a notifier or something for some of the other sloppy edits, but it was hard enough just getting them to delete one single misused example and I find it difficult to get them to slow down and do these things correctly. I also allow mods to read the recent PM exchange, since I don't know how much else I can say, except that they also appear to be wonking about a specific subject a lot.
Edited by WarJay77openReport Troper
I'm going to be honest, I was going to wait for tomorrow to thoroughly go through Neeku-Nekku-Nakuru-Nikua's edit and forum history to file a long and comprehensive report, but the situation's simplified itself by becoming an Edit War.
- Here he is over-potholing a CM entry with an edit reason that for some reason talks about grammar
- Here it is being reverted to bring it back into entry guidelines
- Here he is reverting it back and threatening to report the other user if they change it again.
There's a whole lot of other stuff on the CM thread of him asking a bunch of questions that are all answered in the pinned post and then not listening to the answers we give him, but this makes the whole situation pretty simple honestly.
Edit: Their most recent post really summarizes the problem - beyond the threatening tone, he says "don’t make grammar issues of any kinds", which is kinda a problem for someone basically declaring themselves the grammar police.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99openTroper with a variety of issues
gamerzillasaurusrex2000 is a troper who caught my eye for unilaterally adding an image to Post-Climax Confrontation that then had to be IP'd (and will likely be pulled). When I checked their edits, well... Let's just say I see nothing good:
- They keep adding errors where none previously existed. For instance, changing correct indentation to wrong indentation even after a notifier, or adding several instances of tropeslashing.
- They keep deleting spoiler tags for no given reason (yes, same page as the indentation one, but both issues are present)
- They also appear to have an issue with run-on sentences, something present in most of their edits; you can see a lot of it on Analysis.Post Climax Confrontation, where they wrote everything. (Oh, and they didn't index it either...)
So yeah, while I haven't sent this person a ton of notifiers especially compared to how I usually handle it, their issues seem too numerous and consistent for me to not report them early.
Edited by WarJay77openRude troper
Could Yeetus Deletus 69420 get a tap on the shoulder, please? Some of edit history is pretty rude to say the least. Link to history here
Noticed them with their latest edit reason, "You're saying that AUTHORITARIANISM is justified. Why would you ever be right under any circumstance?"
On this page, they're very insistent on "the pope" not being added to the page. They left two commented-out, all-caps notes for Tropers not to add him, the latest reading I TOLD YOUR STUPID ASS NOT TO PUT THE POPE HERE. HE NEVER APPEARS.
Here, edit reason is "Are you kidding me?! As I'm writing this, at this very moment, I'm laughing my ass off. There are no heartwarming moments in Hatching the Plan! What are you, stupid?"
Normally I'd send a notifier but this isn't the first time they've been reported for potential rudeness
Edited by iamconstantineopenNew problem troper
noobmaster 69420 is a new troper who has just added this to the main page for Funny Afro:
- CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE EDIT OR DELTE THIS FUCKING PAGE. Having an afro isn't inherently funny. I don't know how to edit pages, but frankly, this article still should not be up in it's current form. Especially after the Ian JQ citing this very article as an example of the sometimes un-inclusiveness present in nerd culture
So yeah. Off to a great start...Also, because of the name and their recent ban from the site, is this maybe Yeetus Deletus 69420 ban evading?
openTroper with nattering issues
This troper frequently goes into Thread Mode, adding their personal opinions to trope entries, arguing with examples, and calling out other tropers on adding things they find disagreeable (not in the edit reasons, in the examples themselves).
- Asking if an Ass Pull entry really is an Ass Pull, because "The movie is hardly going to give away the twist".
- Griping about Karen haters and misogynists.
- One case of them calling out a troper directly on the work's main page.
- Another case of contesting an example.
- Natter that causes the example to go against itself.
Also, most of these insertions of natter aren't capitalized properly. They also added a rather red-flag-raising entry on this page.
Edited by Shadow8411openTroper Report
So we've got a troper on the CM thread who's now hit strike three on a bit of a Single-Issue Wonk. Their name is Cartoon All Stars, and they seem very determined to get some CMs from Kamen Rider Saber. No problem in itself, but their way of going about it is just to keep asking the thread about it, even though they've been told multiple times to stop asking because none of the "regulars" watched it.
First they asked here on the discussion day, only to be told that neither of the two people that reserved it ended up watching it. Then, they got aggressive about it (the post was thumped, but it was "calling" the tropers that usually discuss the show to discuss it, even though they both said they didn't watch it). Then, they posted suggestions themselves, at which point they were advised to check it out themselves - advice that they didn't take, because they just asked about it again.
For what it's worth, asking the same question multiple times in spite of getting a response is not new behavior for them - they did the same with Aldrich Killian, where they asked about him, got a response immediately, then asked again later for no reason. There's only so many ways we can ask someone to stop or just watch the work themselves before it becomes clear that they're not actually listening to what we say, and I don't really know what else can be done but ask for mod intervention at this point.
openPossible ban evader
troper Webroot was apparently banned. Is Healthyfan 89 a sock? They edit many of the same pages
openTroper making very short subpages
Spectacular Troper has been making very short Even Evil Has Standards subpages for Western Animation. EvenEvilHasStandards.The Powerpuff Girls was just made with six bullets total, EvenEvilHasStandards.Harley Quinn 2019 has only three bullets, EvenEvilHasStandards.GI Joe A Real American Hero has four bullets, and EvenEvilHasStandards.Futurama has five bullets. Some pages they split off do have sufficient examples for a subpage, but these seem far too short and could just be merged back onto the main page. Couldn't find an appropriate forum thread for the issue so I came here.
Edited by mightymewtron
Hey, I'm a Forum Game regular but in a couple of these games, the user Mkay Rose would often sneer at those with anime avatars, usually referring to the avatars with disgust:
A few examples of this here
While I'm aware that Mkay Rose doesn't like anime (which I respect, that's his opinion afterall) and that you're not supposed to take things seriously in the Forum Game section, his behavior kinda rubs me the wrong way. Like it could be just me but it feels unnecessarily negative in a space that's supposed to be chill.
Not only that, a couple others seem to be annoyed by him as seen here
I'm making this ATT query to see if what he's doing counts as jerkassery or at least give him a nudge about this.
Edited by MacronNotes