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openYMMV: Propaganda Piece
Why is Propaganda Piece classified as YMMV? The YMMV.Home Page entry doesn't explain this.
openIrrelevant potholes
I sometimes see a lot of irrelevant potholes on for example the names of characters. Like this one on Real Dreams are Weirder:
- In The Dragon Prince, Ezran wakes up and starts talking about a crazy dream he just had. Callum assumes that Ezran mistook recent events for a dream, but it turns out that he was talking about an actual dream:
Ezran: (yawns) I had a weird dream. Callum: It wasn't a dream, Ez. All of that was real. Ezran: Are you sure? There was this giant pink hippopotamus and I pulled its ear off? Because it was made of taffy. Callum: Uh, no. That- that was a dream. I thought you meant the elves, the smoke wolves, the dragon egg. That was all real. Ezran: Then I tried to thank the hippo for the taffy, but he couldn't hear me, because I was eating his ears!
It is completely irrelevant to the real dreams are weirder trope that Callum is a classical anti-hero or that the dragon egg is a macguffin. Is this allowed or should we remove potholes like this?
openThree amigos
Which is the correct place to list Three Amigos in the list of tropes? In the beginning, for "3", or in the "T" for "Three"?
openThey Are Billions / Characters Videogame
Just looking for some input, is this page relevant?
I've considered working on it, but considering that there is only one character with half a dozen cutscenes in which he talks, two hero-units and seven regular units with nothing but voicelines on orders (attack, move, etc.) and eight kinds of zombies with descriptions and gameplay behaviors I wonder if it's worth keeping at all?
Edited by StefrexopenEdit war brewing on YMMV.DigimonAdventure2020 Anime
YMMV.Digimon Adventure 2020 is currently embroiled in an Edit War over whether the Digidestined are Designated Heroes or not. there's been lengthy edit reasons for both sides and it's starting to get ugly. Shivader originally added the entry, and two other tropers removed it once it was readded twice.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.DigimonAdventure2020
openNo Title
Sorry if this isn't really important, but Sagwafan 1996 has been adding examples of Draco in Leather Pants that seem to be misuse.
They also removed a Broken Base example here with this edit reason:
- I still like the first three seasons, but I thought S4-8 were okay, and S9-14 were awful.
Like I said, sorry if this isn't important.
openQuestion about I Have The High Ground and professional wrestling
So, to my reading, I Have The High Ground is about people who stand on almost impossibly high things mostly to look cool and also to imply they may have super powers or be super human.
Using the trope to describe wrestlers who use flying attacks off the turnbuckle is extremely prevalent among pro wrestler pages, but based on the way I read the trope in question it seems like misuse to me. For example, off Bengala's entry on Lucha Underground Former Roster ...
- I Have the High Ground: He demonstrated some great acrobatic moves, in particular using the mid rope to gain momentum.
Doesn't look like a proper example of the trope to me. Looking for feedback instead of just going in with a chainsaw though.
openEdit War Live Action TV
On YMMV.The Mandalorian S 2 E 8 Chapter 16 The Rescue, Vox Aquila added the following example:
DaFlabbagasta deleted it with the following edit reason:
Ambaryerno re-added it with this edit reason:
King Clark deleted it with the following edit reason:
Ambaryerno then re-added it again with this edit reason:
openTrolling or...? Live Action TV
Found this while looking at the Hide Your Lesbians page:
- In Modern Family, Haley’s bisexuality has never been explicitly stated on the show, and she hasn’t had any storylines on the show that would indicate she is bisexual.
If the character has never been stated to be bisexual, and there's no indication that she is, then does it really count as this trope? I don't understand why this was added.
openHelp! Literature
So I am very new. I'm trying to start a work page for a fanfic. I want to italicize but I don't know how to do it. I'm not tech savvy at all.
openFridge Cleanup?
I've been considering it for a while now, but should I start a "Fridge" cleanup effort?
There seems to be a lot of confusion lately about what qualifies as Fridge, how Fridge and Headscratchers differ, if the section is meant to be more subjective or more objective, etc. Not to mention other common issues, like first-person writing or nattery discussions.
My question is if a cleanup thread would be able to tackle the debates we keep having, or if we should instead have a Trope Talk discussion first before jumping into cleanup.
resolved Here's johnny?
Taylorswiftscat edited the quotes page for replacement scrappy, just as one of johnnyfog's socks did, along with johnny himself. They also edited a bunch of quotes pages and the WCW page.
They do seem suspiciously familiar with the wiki for a newcomer, based on my interactions with them.
Edited by SkyCat32openBan Evasion
I think Owah came back once more as Nickelback 10. Just compare their edit histories.
openGravedigging question?
Is it gravedigging to bring back up a discussion in TRS on Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy after 10 days with no further replies?
In general, what's the limit for reviving old discussions?
openHow to link to a specific thread comment
Hello,
I'm an active participant in the Complete Monster cleanup thread, and there's only one thing I haven't figured out - how does one link to a specific previous comment? I know how to link to an entire previous page, but not a specific comment, and that would be incredibly useful to know
Edited by STARCRUSHER99openRecreate Finding Nemo Teaser Article Western Animation
Is it safe for anybody to recreate the Teaser for Finding Nemo article?
openChristmas Episode question Live Action TV
I was going to add some Christmas Episode specials to Non-Serial Movie but am not quite sure whether to add them or not.
What I planned to add:
- Hetty Feather, a CBBC period piece from The BBC had its 2019 Christmas special in Series 5; although it's disputed if it's canon or not, even though it could fit into the series' timeline.
I added to that page about an example from The Next Step of a Christmas Episode that was treated as a special but of uncertain canonicity.
In general, when should a Christmas Episode be treated as a Non-Serial Movie if there's no Word of God on its canonicity but in general, there's things that make it seem like it's outside the series'timeline/out of continuity?
openQuestionably accurate Unfortunate Implications claim? Videogame
Most of the pages for Cyberpunk 2077 are currently locked due to the massive post-release backlash over the game's rocky launch, but I noticed this slipped into the YMMV page's Unfortunate Implications entry at some point and I'm wondering if I should request its removal in the Locked Pages thread:
- The game's cyberpunk credentials have been called into question with the fact that it is a corporate produced product where V spends a lot of his time actively working for the police, corporations, and rich clients rather than actively rebelling against them.
There's a few things to note here. First, this entry appears to have been added in a failed attempt at starting an entire UE subpage for the game, which got cutlisted for a lack of examples (it had like, three total, and I'm willing to bet its creation was at least partially a bad-faith knee-jerk reaction due to the afore-mentioned backlash).
Second, while the source it's citing is legitimate, all three points it's making are... mostly wrong? They're all either exaggerated or misinterpreted, seemingly due to the writer of the article being uninvested in the gameplay and story. To summarize:
- While the game does have a number of side-activities known as "Police Scanner Hustles" which could be interpreted by someone not paying attention as you doing contract work for the Police, the majority of them are you using your illegal police scanner to arrive at crime scenes before the cops do, kill the perps, and steal any valuables they have on them before the cops can bag them as evidence.
- The only parts of the game where you can directly work for a corporation are the "Corpo" lifepath's prologue, where your corrupt boss makes you a patsy for his crimes and you get fired, a sidequest involving a film production corporation where you're more working for their lead actor than them, and the game's Bad Ending, which frames your decision to side with a corporation as a Deal with the Devil where you've essentially sold your soul for an easy out to your problem. The other endings involve you actively assaulting the headquarters of a major corporation.
- Aside from the corporations the only truly wealthy people you ever work for are a burnt-out rockstar desperate for a real friend, a pop star who turns out to be slightly psychotic, and a struggling politician - the only honest one in the entire city - and his wife, who are actively trying to change things for the better and help the needy. The sidequest for the politicians ends in tragedy and frames their efforts as pointless in the face of the corrupt, dystopian political system they're a part of.
I admit the article has a point about the game not having any profound or socially relevant themes in its main story, but to say that it actively endorses dystopic capitalism like this entry implies seems absurd to me. Still, the article is genuine and comes from a reputable source, so I'm not sure if it's really violating any guidelines.
Edited by Dirtyblue929
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MockGuffin Except, instead of mistaking something worthless for a valuable item, the item itself is either discharged, damaged, or is actually worthless in one way or another, despite previous intel painted it as something important. Meaning smart people, did research, and either it became outdated, or they got wrong info.