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openRemoving Character from "Main Characters" Folder Anime
I don't know if this is the correct place to ask about this, but:
Somebody recently added Xerxes Break to the "main characters" folder for PandoraHearts. I understand why this action would be taken, as he certainly is a major character, but the other three characters in this folder are the main trio. Break is not part of the main trio, so I'm not sure he should be in there with them. He is not a main character in the same way they are. However, I don't want to just revert the action in case others disagree.
Anyone who is familiar with PandoraHearts: What do you think?
Edited by CyokieRevottopenRules against porn work pages
Is it true that works pages about porn aren’t allowed on this website? I ask because I saw Kama Sutra Rides Again and Dream Doll, and I’m not sure if they should be cut or not.
openQuestion about listing overlapping tropes
Is it okay to have overlapping tropes share the same entry like
Trope / Trope: blah blah...
Or should they each have an entry?
openOutside opinions on disagreement Videogame
Cutting off a brewing edit war at Fallout 3. I'd previously removed the Idiot Plot entry and a user added it back. Here is the entry:
- Idiot Plot: While Fallout 3 is high on the lists of many people for a myriad of reasons, the main plot generally is not one of them.
- The call to action is your dad leaving to jump start his water purifier in order to give the wasteland a source of water. The problem is that this is a non-issue for virtually everyone else living in the wasteland. Aside from everyone having been able to not die of thirst in the 200 years Dad’s device was inactive, the only people you meet in the entire game who are affected by the lack of water are two homeless people that live outside major settlements. This makes his decision seem brash and shortsighted, especially because it resulted in the deaths of many.
- Imagine if you never meet or fight any dragons in Skyrim and the only way you know they exist is because a single npc asks for health potions because of dragon attacks.
- Dad is accosted by the Enclave, who want the purifier for themselves. He decides that a device with unquestionably altruistic functions should be destroyed just so that bad people couldn’t have it. It’s the equivalent of destroying all blood transfusion research so that the Central Powers wouldn’t be able to use it.
- Granted, Eden wanted to use it to kill everyone, but Dad couldn’t have possibly known that at the time.
- You’re railroaded into helping out the residents of Little Lamplight because there is a huge door in your way and children are pointing guns at you. Your only recourse is to take a sidequest or have a perk that is literally useless anywhere else.
- What makes this an example of the trope is that the quest they send you on involves assaulting a fortified base. Forcing your way into Little Lamplight is a much less daunting task but it seems the only reason you can’t do that is because the writer said so.
- You can convince Eden to kill himself in what appears to be a Call-Back to Fallout. However, the first Fallout requires a damning amount of evidence to prove to the Master that everything he did has been to the detriment to humanity. Here, you resort to meaningless platitudes that make the President go “Oh well, may as well kill myself.”
- Prior to the DLC, you have to commit radiation-induced suicide to get the heroic ending. Nevermind that you have a handful of companions immune to radiation, even one who retrieved a Macguffin from insurmountable radiation. The DLC mitigates this but still calls you a coward for being intelligent.
- The call to action is your dad leaving to jump start his water purifier in order to give the wasteland a source of water. The problem is that this is a non-issue for virtually everyone else living in the wasteland. Aside from everyone having been able to not die of thirst in the 200 years Dad’s device was inactive, the only people you meet in the entire game who are affected by the lack of water are two homeless people that live outside major settlements. This makes his decision seem brash and shortsighted, especially because it resulted in the deaths of many.
A lot of these points are nitpicking ("no one needs water but the beggars", "the game pulls But Thou Must! at Little Lamplight") and full of natter (most of the secondary subbullets). The only thing approaching a legitimate complaint is Dad and Eden's decisions, but Dad doesn't destroy the purifier he floods its control room with radiation to keep the Enclave away from it, and the speech check with Eden is very difficult to make and the entire idea of the Speech skill is talking people into agreeing with you, so this is less a case of idiocy on Eden's part and more the developers didn't write good dialogue. And the Heroic Sacrifice ending has been retconned away so that point is moot.
Overall this is just a misuse of Idiot Plot and not applicable.
openList for works in need of more wicks
Is there a list similar to Pages Needing Wicks but for works that need wicks or with low amounts of wicks?
Edited by jandn2014openCan't add Video source
I uploaded a VideoExamples.There Is No Kill Like Overkill (the link works despite being a red link, coincidence?) from Megas XLR, but forget to add the Media Source(s). When I added the source afterwards in editor it said "Video was successfully updated!" but it didn't show up even weeks afterward.
I tried it in Safari and Firefox. Is there something I'm doing wrong? Does the update need approval? I asked the Video forum but they didn't reply.
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenCommon Trope seen in Action movies...
A character lunges at another with a kick, only for the intended target to grab his/her foot and lift it, causing said kicker to fall over. Alternatvely, the target could grab the kicker's leg and stoop and trip the kicker's other foot.
Is there a trope name for this move? I've seen it being used in more than one action movie, but couldn't seem to find it on this website
openForgot source for video example
On https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoExamples/PianoDrop I was unable to add the source for the video, which is Inanimate Insanity. Could a mod add it please?
openTrouble with videos getting rejected?
I try to follow the rules, but if I accidentally break them, the rejection message is often just two or three words so I don't understand.
open Troper on Mens Rights crusade
Tropers.Old School DM has been making edits for months on a pretty blatant crusade for Righting Great Wrongs about male victims of abuse and domestic violence, and has attempted to make it clear on most gender-related pages (such as Women Are Wiser and All Abusers Are Male) how "harmful" they are to men. Most of his edits have been steeped with pretty unambiguous moral soapboxing—something I first noticed on a recent edit he made for The Red Pill.
Some of these edits I haven't changed (such as the All Abusers Are Male one where he lists a bunch of sources to discredit the trope) because the edits are technically true and technically aren't harming anything...but he's been at this for months and a look at any gender-related trope he's edit (and a few others, such as Mistaken for Racist) make it clear that he's on a mission.
Edited by NubianSatyressopenFridge horror on Arthur Western Animation
Found this on Arthur:
- D.W. becomes much more disturbing as a character when you realize that her treatment of Arthur and her behavior in general, despite her being only 4, is actually eerily consistent with a sociopath. She tends to see anything she wants as good and anything she doesn't want as bad, believes she is entitled to whatever she wants, is a Manipulative Bitch (often tricks others to get her way), is known to have outbursts, and seems to be learning to do what is socially expected of her even when she herself doesn't think she needs to do it but shows a complete lack of genuine empathy (for example, her Backhanded Apology in "Arthur's Big Hit", where she apologizes to Arthur for breaking his model plane when ordered to do so but doesn't actually feel guilty for it and still sees it as Arthur's fault for building the model wrong, therefore seeing anything "bad" as the fault of anyone but herself), and in general actually seems to enjoy making Arthur's life a living hell. So if she's already this sociopathic at four, what is she going to turn out like as a teen and adult!? Not to mention how this easily makes her one of the, if not the, most disturbingly fucked up characters to ever grace an Edutainment Show.
- While it's not canon, the You Tube video series Adult Arthur by AOK takes the "what will she be like as an adult" part and runs with it. It's not pretty.
Is this allowed here or no?
Edited by fraggleloveropenThis trope description is overly defensive
The page for Angst Aversion is overly defensive. Currently, it looks like it was written by somebody who got teased once for only reading feel-good novels about cozy cafés. We can cut a lot of that stuff, right? Because right now, the page comes off like if the Cop Show page were to post paragraph after paragraph about why it's okay to watch those shows.
Edited by MichaelKatsuroopenConsensus question
A Troubled Production entry was added to the Trivia.Gen Lock page by Emerald Theorum in October 2019. This was regarding a crunch period experienced by the Rooster Teeth animation studio, that a lot of animators publicly complained about afterwards.
I asked on the Is This An Example? thread if crunch time was a legitimate example given how widespread the problem is in the animation industry. The consensus was that it's not the trope because it's an industry-wide problem. I therefore removed the trope, quoting the Is This An Example? thread in November 2019.
Emerald Theorum has added the entry back (reworded) citing as a reason the fact that other works list crunch time as a Troubled Production example, but they appear to have not sought any consensus for doing this. They've also vastly expanded the entry by creating multiple separate entries of new examples that come from the DVD Commentary. Their edit reason states:
The new entries can basically be summarised as: 'this special effect was hard to produce', 'the mecha suits had to be fully designed and finalised unusually early', 'one scene could only be designed on one specific computer', 'one episode was extremely stressful'.
As stand alone examples, these entries just seem like standard 'creators talk about the difficulties they have producing seasons and episodes'. Used as part of the crunch time entry, it just seems like excessive bullet pointing to justify re-adding something that was previously removed by consensus.
My questions are as follows:
- Is the whole thing an Edit War, or just the specific entry that directly mentions the crunch time?
- Should I remove the whole thing or just the direct crunch time reference (and leave the new entries alone)?
- Should I take all the other (new) entries to the Is This An Example? thread to see if they're really examples?
openTLP Troll
This draft was just made today, by an account with no edits. It's a very low-effort nonsense draft, but that's not too abnormal. It's their reply to Flying Duck Man Genisis that makes it clear they're a troll.
openMandalorian edit war?
On the 11th, The Lord Yoiketh Away added Tastes Like Diabetes to The Mandalorian in reference to The Child. It was removed on the 17th. Today, they added this:
- Tastes Like Diabetes: Despite the show generally being darker in tone and having less kid-orientated humor than, say, the Prequel Trilogy, some fans feel like it's trying too hard to make the Child likable and thus find him a little too sickeningly adorable, not unlike the Ewoks from Return of the Jedi. While he has been shown to have Force abilities that move the plot of the first season forward, there is not much else to the actual character himself other than that he is a Ridiculously Cute Critter, which, in the Star Wars series, usually means being explicitly designed to appeal to kids and sell merchandise (and sure enough, many were actually surprised that Disney didn't jump on the marketing train right away). Unfortunately, due to the fact that the Child has also become unexpectedly popular and a huge Fountain of Memes, this has resulted in a lot of people swearing off The Mandalorian altogether.
openMisuse of the Sandbox Namespace Videogame
I just saw that Sandbox.Sonic The Hedgehog Franchise exists. It doesn’t seem to serve any purpose, being redundant to Franchise.Sonic The Hedgehog, as well as collecting every trope the author sees in even one work in the franchise, which contains many entirely separate branches. Notably, only one troper, Anddrix, seems to be working on it. Is there any place for the page on the wiki?
Edited by ShinyCottonCandyopenYMMV Pages for Creators
Is there any specific policy against making YMMV pages for creators? Some have them, but for some reason I feel like it goes beyond Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement. If I wanted to add an Award Snub entry for Adam Sandler's role in Uncut Gems, is that a permissible action?
Edited by Lucymae2
Awesome.Lily Orchard
This sounds like a series, not a moment, and at odds with Administrivia.Examples Are Not General. Thoughts?