To-do list:
- The Wiki Rule is now a Definition-Only Page, so references to the concept are fine, but examples must be removed. Example cleanup can be tracked using Sandbox.The Dewicking Rule.
a few years ago, and it was eventually added to the Tropes Needing TRS because, and I quote, "[a wiki's] existence is not very notable". Here is the Wick Check.
Percentages (70/70):
- Potholes = 13%
- Just a weblink = 71%
- Weblink + some details about the wiki = 13%
- Misuse = 3%
Analysis: 71% of the sample consists solely of links to wiki sites, just pure links. This is probably motivated by its description, which only requires an existing wiki about a work (with a tvtrope page) to count. The remainder is made up of potholes that mention the trope and other examples with links and a bit more meat on the bones. However, I struggled to find any relevance in these last ones, because they simply discuss the wiki's current state or a few details about it, topics that aren't actually connected to the work itself but to the fandom of the work. Two of them even ask the reader to help expand the wiki, using the trope as some sort of ad. Overall, it appears that the trope doesn't have much to offer as a trivia trope in its current state.
Suggestion:
- Making it a Definition-Only Page and removing all the standalone examples.
- As suggested here:
- Ban examples from being listed on work pages, but allow them on The Wiki Rule page itself.
- Make it a Just for Fun page.
- Rework the trope to be about when creators use a fan's wiki as a reference.
- As suggested in the Tropes Needing TRS post:
- Require examples that aren't hosted on wiki farms like FANDOM.
- Other suggestion are welcome.
Wick check:
With more than two-thirds of the sample, The Wiki Rule is a clear offender of the rule Weblinks Are Not Examples.- DracoInLeatherPants.Video Games: Kane, the leader of the Brotherhood of Nod in the Command & Conquer series. It doesn't help that his motivations seem to change every game, or that the developers themselves seem infected with Evil Is Cool.
- At one point in the first game, he tells the player that "people believe what the media tells them to believe… and I tell the media what to believe". Quite fitting that this is exactly what happens among the fandom — another cutscene has Kane MST the "origin of Tiberium" scene from the GDI campaign, interrupting it at one point to explain that, as opposed to Dr. Mobius finding it and naming it after the Tiber River the first meteor crashed near, Kane himself actually discovered it first and named it after the Roman emperor Tiberius Caesar. Now, if one were to look up Tiberium on Google, almost every result except the C&C Wiki won't even mention Mobius' version of its discovery and naming, much less assume that that's how it actually was discovered.
- Bare-Handed Puppetry: OobiEyes.com, a former online catalogue of unofficial Oobi puppets that closed in 2013, had a YouTube "partnership offer" that gave customers free Oobi eyes if they created web videos with their products. The result was a wide variety of Oobi tributes and spoofs appearing on YouTube, including entire series about bare hand puppet characters. Due to the former popularity of such videos, a wiki exists (of course it does!) for cataloging homemade films starring Oobi puppets.
- Characters.Kan Colle Eight: Sports a 16-inch twin gun mount in addition to her aircraft. The wiki even classifies her as an aviation battleship instead of a carrier.
- WesternAnimation.Ben 10 Omniverse: As noted by the show's official wiki, Clyde Fife is basically Napoleon Dynamite as a Ben 10 character.
- Crunchtastic: Strong Bad from Homestar Runner has coined "extracurriculariffic", and his Sblounskched! candy bar has a "crispety, cookety log" in the middle (a cookie center hollowed out to make room for more "candy matter"). There's a lot more. In fact the Homestar Runner Wiki has a page devoted to all the made-up words!
- Fanfic.The Greatest There Was Or Ever Will Be: In the grand tradition of the Internet, the fanfic has its own wiki here.
- UnusualEuphemism.Webcomics: This is yet another unintentionally hilarious element of Christian Weston Chandler's critically acclaimed masterpiece Sonichu. There are too many examples to list, but suffice it to say that the comic basically has its own vernacular based on the author's unusual usage of English. Examples include "pickle" for penis, "China" for vagina, and "raincoat" for condom. The CWCki has numerous pages about the words Chris comes up with, if you're really interested.
- Official Fan-Submitted Content: Within a loose view of the Disney Ducks Comic Universe canon, certain ideas or fancomics submitted to official creators' blogs and heartily approved by said official creators have got some credit, and are treated as such on the Wiki.
- Characters.Pokemon Diamond And Pearl Gym Leaders And Elite Four: In English: Fantina = Phantom. Plus, according to the PokéWiki her name is the same in both English and Spanish. In Spanish, though, Fantina comes from the more obvious word Fantasma note . The wiki also suggests the name is a reference to Fantine from Les Misérables.
- Trivia.Sam And Max: The Sam & Max Wiki.
- Trivia.Magic Kyun Renaissance: Magic Kyun! Renaissance Wikia.
- Trivia.Yu Yu Hakusho: This one and this one, although the former is much better. ► The second link is down
- Trivia.Fantasy Life: ReveriaExplorer, a database for every item in the game.
- Trivia.I Dont Want To Be The Hive Queen: Has one here.
- Trivia.Sky Children Of The Light: The Sky wiki is right here!
- Trivia.Lightning Returns Final Fantasy XIII: The Final Fantasy Wiki.
- Trivia.Changeling The Dreaming: The White Wolf Wiki and Changeling: The Dreaming Wiki.
- Trivia.The Lord Of The Rings: The One Wiki To Rule Them All, and The Tolkien Gateway.
- Trivia.Scape And Run Parasites: Scape and Run: Parasites Wiki.
- Trivia.Lovecraft Country: Lovecraft Country Wiki
- Trivia.Farm Ville: The Farmville Wiki.
- Trivia.Vib Ribbon: The Vib-Ribbon Wiki.
- Trivia.Assassins Creed: Here.
- Trivia.One Hundred Percent Orange Juice: The game has an official wiki.
- Trivia.Twelve Tails Online: The Thailand 12 Tails Online Wiki and Wikia's 12 Tails Online English Wiki.
- Trivia.Shadow Raiders: Shadow Raiders Wiki.
- Trivia.Urusei Yatsura: The Urusei Yatsura Wiki.
- Trivia.Boss Monster: Here you go.
- Trivia.The Moomins: Moomin Wiki
- Trivia.Realm Of The Mad God: Right here.
- Trivia.Redungeon: Redungeon Wiki | Fandom
- Trivia.Choushinsei Flashman: Covered as part of RangerWiki.
- Trivia.Danger Days The True Lives Of The Fabulous Killjoys: The Danger Days Wiki, which covers the album, music videos, and comics.
- Trivia.Guyver: The Guyver Wiki.
- Trivia.Eureka Seven: Eureka Seven Wiki.
- Trivia.Akuma No Riddle: Has a wiki here.
- Trivia.A Thing Of Vikings: Has one located here.
- Trivia.Alchemy Stars: Here is the Fandom Wiki.
- Trivia.CSI: The CSI Wiki.
- Trivia.Welcome To The Game: Made before the game even came out, here.
- Trivia.Dragon Quest Builders: The Dragon Quest Wiki, Wikia Dragon Quest Wiki, and Dragon Quest Builders Wiki.
- Trivia.Ninku: Here it is.
- Trivia.Huntik Secrets And Seekers: Huntik Wiki
- Trivia.The Harlem Globetrotters: The Harlem Globetrotters Wiki.
- Trivia.Forever Knight: The Forever Knight Wiki.
- Trivia.My Little Pony Tales: My Little Wiki covers Generations 1-4.
- Trivia.Outlander: The Outlander Wiki.
- Trivia.Temple Run: The Temple Run Wiki.
- Trivia.Killing Eve: Killing Eve Wiki
- Trivia.Walker: Walker Wiki
- Trivia.Perplex City: Has a wiki Here.
- Trivia.Coconut Freds Fruit Salad Island: The Coconut Fred's Fruit Salad Island Wiki.
- Trivia.Fig Hunter: Here.
- Trivia.Wings Of Fire: The Wings of Fire Wiki and Animus Wiki.
- Trivia.Dragon Ball Z Battle Of Gods: The Dragon Ball Wiki.
- Trivia.GI Joe Extreme: Joepedia, the G.I. Joe Wiki.
- Trivia.Chronicles Of The Kencyrath: http://kencyr.wikia.com
- Trivia.Romantically Apocalyptic: Romantically Apocalypse Wiki
- Trivia.Ultima I: The Codex of Ultima Wisdom, and Wikia Codex of Editable Wisdom.
- Trivia.The Raven Cycle: The Raven Boys wikia. It's infamous among the fandom for being a lot more casual than a typical wiki (most character pages are just emotional rambling and fandom jokes rather than objective information).
- Website.Questden: The Questden Wiki serves as an summary and index for every quest and has a few extra articles on things like advice for running threads and archived links to the various fanart threads. ► Trivia tropes doesn't go on the main page, otherwise it's fine
- Trivia.Sword And Fairy: Softstar Wiki, shared with Xuan-Yuan Sword series.
- Trivia.Alien Trilogy: Xenopedia has information on Alien, Predator, and Alien vs. Predator.
- Trivia.Little Big Planet: There used to be one on LBPCentral, but it's been down for some time. In the meantime, there's also one on Wikia.
- Trivia.Ssalia And The Dragons Of Avienot: Has a wiki here, though without much activity.
- Trivia.Bleach Ultimate Alien: Bleach: Ultimate Alien Wiki. Be warned, it is very much incomplete, so some wiki magic love is much appreciated.
- Trivia.Yu Gi Oh Forbidden Memories: Yugipedia (which forked from the old wiki in 2018).
- Trivia.How To Be A Werewolf: The How to Be a Werewolf Wiki. It could use some help as it just recently was created. ► This example was made in 2020
- Trivia.The Descended: Brian has considered making one to keep track of it. Currently averted, though—Brian considers his TV Tropes page to be detailed enough that he doesn't need a wiki of his own. ► Trivia trope can't be played with.
- Trivia.Hellfire Commentaries: Averted; they started a wiki, but eventually scrapped it in favor of a TVTropes page. ► Trivia trope can't be played with.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2023 at 1:47:12 PM
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I mainly fix indentation issues
Edited by SoyValdo7 on Jul 27th 2023 at 9:48:21 AM
Valdo
As I said in the trope talk thread, this is a really useful way to find wikis and I really disliked the examples being cut from the main page for that reason. However that's also pretty much completely off-mission (and I've just switched to using the Internet Archive version from before they were cut). So while making it on-page examples only and/or Just For Fun would be the most useful options, I'm honestly pretty much fine with whatever - I agree that as an actual trope, or rather trivia, it's not really meaningful or capable of having any real context.
How sweet it is
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Definition only
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
Not sold on Definition-Only (I don't even think it's worth keeping as that), but if that's what everyone else wants,
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jul 27th 2023 at 11:55:37 AM
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
the Retromancer
I share the sentiment that I like it, but this isn't a real production Trivia, it's free sponsorship of other websites, so Def-Only.
Edited by Amonimus on Jul 27th 2023 at 7:09:23 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
He/Him
I'm going with making it Definition-Only. I do find it a useful way to find wikis but I also recognize that it's just a straight up ZCE promotional tool at this point.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Jul 28th 2023 at 12:17:03 AM
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
Definition-only
Do we keep it classified as trivia or no? I know pages can be both.
Edited by FernandoLemon on Jul 27th 2023 at 1:16:38 PM
I'd like to apologize for all this.
Def only
Just stoic wisdom.
Restricting it to non-wiki farms intrigues me as an idea, though. I feel like that in itself already would make this more noteworthy.
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
Can shapeshift (probably)
Definition only
the Retromancer
Had an idea that there are "official" wikis, maintained by the creators themselves and having latest summaries, community walkthroughs and some All There in the Manual information. If The Wiki Rule can't be remade into it, to the yard it goes.
Edited by Amonimus on Jul 27th 2023 at 7:48:48 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
I feel like that's exactly what All There in the Manual is for.
Take me to the river
Pretty pointless, just links that anyone can find in five seconds. Definition only.
1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die (all editions) progress: 410/1089 (37.65%)
Hi! :3
Def Only
I'm helping!
to making The Wiki Rule definition only, maybe adding a line in the description about how with the rise of free wiki farms it's a lot less interesting that every possible subject has a wiki.
Definitely considering spinning off a trivia just for work wikis that are more interesting than "this, too, has the obligatory Fandom wiki".
Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jul 27th 2023 at 1:46:42 PM
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Loserswithwifi
Definition only
To Definition-Only
Definition Only. While it is a convenient way to find wikis, it's not really any faster than googling them.
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
D-O, yeah. Notably, this is a case where the weblink laden examples could not be called ZCE since they're providing all the context necessary for the trope... which sort of reveals the problem in a nutshell. People who want to find these wikis can just google 'em.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessWe do still keep it as trivia, right? Concept Art, for instance, is definition-only but still trivia.
I'd like to apologize for all this.
Def-only
I don't think it's trivia. Fan-created stuff isn't part of the production or background of a work.
Crown Description:
- The Wiki Rule is about how the Internet is capable of generating a fan-made wiki on virtually any topic imaginable (movies, books, TV series, comics, fortune cookies, etc.). It is an 11-year-old trivia trope consisting largely of external links and Potholes. This was brought up in a trope talk a few years ago, and it was eventually added to the Tropes Needing TRS because, and I quote, "[a wiki's] existence is not very notable". Here is the Wick Check.
- 71% of the sample consists solely of links to wiki sites, just pure links. This is probably motivated by its description, which only requires an existing wiki about a work (with a tvtrope page) to count. The remainder is made up of potholes that mention the trope and other examples with links and a bit more meat on the bones. However, I struggled to find any relevance in these last ones, because they simply discuss the wiki's current state or a few details about it, topics that aren't actually connected to the work itself but to the fandom of the work. Two of them even ask the reader to help expand the wiki, using the trope as some sort of ad. Overall, it appears that the trope doesn't have much to offer as a trivia trope in its current state.
- What should be done with The Wiki Rule?
To-do list:
Percentages (70/70):
Analysis: 71% of the sample consists solely of links to wiki sites, just pure links. This is probably motivated by its description, which only requires an existing wiki about a work (with a tvtrope page) to count. The remainder is made up of potholes that mention the trope and other examples with links and a bit more meat on the bones. However, I struggled to find any relevance in these last ones, because they simply discuss the wiki's current state or a few details about it, topics that aren't actually connected to the work itself but to the fandom of the work. Two of them even ask the reader to help expand the wiki, using the trope as some sort of ad. Overall, it appears that the trope doesn't have much to offer as a trivia trope in its current state.
Suggestion:
Wick check:
With more than two-thirds of the sample, The Wiki Rule is a clear offender of the rule Weblinks Are Not Examples.Trope Repair Shop discussion
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2023 at 1:47:12 PM
Valdo