Oh good, maybe I can get more help on Fanservice.The Nostalgia Critic. I even have a cleanup specifically for it and the Fan Disservice subpage.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.Ugh, sorry to bump a not-quite-dead-yet thread. It's been over a month and I still haven't gotten anything. Bumping to give this thread more attention because it hasn't gotten anything done yet.
Sandbox help wanted.I think Best Known for the Fanservice could use a small look at, some of the examples are based on loose definitions of "fanservice" that look like they might be looking too far in to things, some go in the opposite direction and are based on fans sexualizing something that was probably not that sexual to begin with, and there's some that just go on about what the fanservice is but either does not or poorly explains how it's more known than what else is in the story.
From the Video Games page:
- Magician's Quest: Mysterious Times is known for being both an "Animal Crossing clone" and "an Animal Crossing clone where you can be gay." It might fit under something else but being gay isn't automatically fanservice.
- Overwatch:
- Tracer is known for one of two things: her butt and controversy to it at pre-release; or being the head honcho of the titular Overwatch and a well-rounded character. Either way, nobody is complaining one bit about it... I'd cut the last sentence for sure, but this could probably use a general rewrite.
- Also, the fact that she's a canonical lesbian got a lot of attention and generated even more controvery than her gameplay balance. Again this kind of comes off implying it's saying gay people are automatically fanservice. It's not properly indented anyway.
- The other women in that game, like Widowmaker and D.Va, among others; also get caught up in a lot of risque fanart, with Blizzard seeming to taking notice of this. They did not take it well, removing videos of rule 34 Overwatch characters at it. Of course, they might as well attempt to stop a waterfall by standing at the bottom of and trying to push the water back with their hands; Overwatch is one of THE most heavily-eroticised games in the history of the medium despite only being out for a few years. Barely has anything to do with the game itself. As it stands it's "A lot of people draw porn of this," in that case you might as well say Sonic the Hedgehog and Pokémon fall under this trope for the same reason.
- Tracer is known for one of two things: her butt and controversy to it at pre-release; or being the head honcho of the titular Overwatch and a well-rounded character. Either way, nobody is complaining one bit about it... I'd cut the last sentence for sure, but this could probably use a general rewrite.
- Touhou is about a world of super-powered magical action girls (many of which are Cute Monster Girls who are Really 700 Years Old) who have interesting (but never romantic) relationships with each other, which can gives way to tons of fanart (cute, gorgeous or very risque) and awesome music. "Shoot em ups"? What's a "shoot 'em up"? note In what way is any of this fanservice? It should probably be moved to Just Here for Godzilla or something.
On the main page:
- Danganronpa is a series of visual novels featuring a majority of attractive female characters in the overall cast, who cause most female followers of the series to become Les Yay in regards to them. Appealing character designs are including but not limited to Sayaka Maizono, Aoi Asahina, Celestia Ludenberg, Junko Enoshima, Ibuki Mioda, Chiaki Nanami, Mahiru Koizumi, and Komaru Naegi. These characters have either large thighs or a large bust to compensate for if they don't have a physically attractive face. Disclaimer, I'm not familiar with this series so it might by itself be a valid example, but this comes off as... like it's trying to gush over the characters than anything else. It doesn't say any actual fanservice, just that they're "attractive." I do know that there's some rather obsessive "waifu warring" going on in some parts of the fanbase and there are some actual "fanservice moments" in the series but I don't think I have seen anything about outsiders knowing the series more for fanservice than its actual premise. Speaking of which, this entry doesn't explain what the "fanservice" is overshadowing either, it's just a list of things people would find attractive.
- Ménage à 3 features a lot of boobies and sex scenes (both gay and straight), though no genitalia. Only describes the fanservice, doesn't say what's being overshadowed.
- If you were familiar with Wander over Yonder only through fanart, you could be forgiven for thinking Green-Skinned Space Babe villain Lord Dominator was the main character. She's a Knight of Cerebus to the main cast who is only introduced in the second of the show's two seasons. It helps that her Villain Song "I'm The Bad Guy" quickly became the show's Signature Scene. Is anyone here familiar with the series? How is the song a signature scene? Is it "fanservice?" (I know it's a kid's show so it's a given that it's going to be tame compared to what's geared at older people.) Again, "This character gets a lot of sexy fanart" does not count by itself, fanartists have a habit of sexualizing non-fanservice characters and that doesn't mean it overshadows the story.
There are also a lot of examples of blatant ecchi works, as in ones that are designed to be based on fanservice first. Personally I don't think it should count if the fanservice is supposed to be the main draw of the story, but there is nothing in the description saying the story doesn't have to be fanservice-focused and it even talks about how actors gotten big from a purposeful Sex Sells angle, so that seems like more of a TRS thing.
Edited by greatpikminfan on May 26th 2021 at 9:38:59 AM
Getting into a work just because it has gay people fits better under the Watched It For The Representation TLP.
From what little I know of Wander Over Yonder, with that song being the only thing I really know about it, Lord Dominator is liked for being attractive but I don't know if her scenes are quite "fanservice" levels. She swivels her hips a lot in her song, and has some flirty Femme Fatale behavior, so I would probably call that fanservice, but her overall demeanor is more that of an excitable destructive teen girl.
Edited by mightymewtron on May 26th 2021 at 12:59:02 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.Didn't that trope actually get a TRS thread for this kind of stuff? Or was that only ever proposed?
The Nostalgia Critic Fanservice page is fucking disgusting, at least to me personally because A. I do not find it remotely attracting, and B. I hate the Nostalgia Critic deeply. Even ignoring both of those though, the way everything is described is super lewd and weird. I wonder if it could be taken to the P5 lewdness cleanup thread?
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on May 27th 2021 at 10:38:29 AM
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallI worked with it on the cleanup thread but I could take it to the lewdness thread too. Note that I am a fan of the show (inconsistently) and it creeps me the fuck out too.
Edited by mightymewtron on May 27th 2021 at 10:51:03 AM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.I knew it wasn't just me who found it creepy, but thanks for the info. We'll see what that thread can do.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallI found this on Crash: On the Run! of all places:
- Fanservice Pack: Coco's once flat chest is noticeably more pronounced than in the previous three games.
Sweet Jesus, where do I start with this? First off, her chest isn't that much bigger, this is what she looks like in IAT, and this is what she looks like in OTR. Secondly, because she isn't fanservicey at all, this is obvious perving, which is extra weird because she's (most likely) a minor. Thirdly, I'm pretty sure this is misuse. Fanservice Pack is for characters becoming more attractive overtime, but in this case it isn't for Fanservice because she isn't that busty and she's conservatively dressed. I'm 99% sure they gave her breats because she's a teenager and puberty is a thing.
Sandbox help wanted....
Please burn that with fire.
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Jun 1st 2021 at 2:52:22 PM
Jawbreakers on sale for 99¢Any use of the term "fanservice" to refer to anything related to an underage character should be cleansed with Holy Fire on principle.
Edited by WackyPancake on Jun 1st 2021 at 8:56:29 PM
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."Is the example already deleted?
Yes. I removed it after I got consensus in this thread to get rid of it.
Sandbox help wanted.Eww, blech, send the Crash example to hell.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallGive it some good ol' elements of harmony beams.
"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”Thankfully, it's already gone.
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."Yay!
"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”From My Little Pony: Equestria Girls Digital Series:
- Best Known for the Fanservice: You'll find plenty of people who find the beach shorts one of the most memorable things about this series, and a lot of fans stating how hot Sunset Shimmer looks in a swimsuit, particularly in "Unsolved Selfie Mysteries".
The MLP wiki does not state an age for Sunset Shimmer, but considering she's still attending high school, that probably should be nuked from orbit.
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."NOKED
"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”I think this cleanup is long overdue. However as an anime fan, I'd like to point something out. There's a lot of valid Ms Fan Service characters in anime and games that are high school age. Yoko Litner might be the best example though. What should we do about that?
I think we should consider context when cutting the teenage fanservice tropes, at least for characters in the 16-18 range. A lot of works, unfortunately, do sexualize teenagers (or adults meant to look like teenagers), and it's not wrong to acknowledge this as long as the work doesn't skew into full-blown pedo pandering (i.e. the content is explicit and not just a few scenes of a skimpy outfit or something). Plus some of these shows are geared towards teen audiences.
That said, I'm unsure if the Sunset example counts, regardless of age. Is the scene really fanservice or was it not meant to be sexy and the fans ate it up? It is a show for young girls, but it also has a huge Periphery Demographic of older straight men (and sapphic women) and the creators are very much aware of that. Does unintentional fanservice still count for BKFTF? And is the special even best known for the swimsuit scene? (I wouldn't doubt it as I never really heard much about this series before.)
Edited by mightymewtron on Jun 2nd 2021 at 2:27:25 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.Don't gush about it.
It's gross but I suppose it's still valid. That said, if a work particularly fetishizes or sexualizes an underage character, it should probably run through the P5 for pedopandering concerns.
Edited by WackyPancake on Jun 2nd 2021 at 8:27:59 PM
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."I do not reckon it counts as fanservice, since it is not meant to be arousing, and even then, is it really, ya know, most known for those episodes, with no regards to anything else? Also, the entry was too gushy.
Edited by Delibirda on Jun 2nd 2021 at 8:43:50 PM
"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”
Fanservice tends to be a magnet for badly written examples. Issues with lewdness aside, it attracts gushing about how hot a character is, some of them not being intended for fanservice in the first place. Shirtless Scene also has a problem with ZC Es, if it's tropeworthy at all.
I'll start by going through the Comic Books page for Mr. Fanservice:
Admit it, you're staring. note The image caption feels weirdly gushy, that could just be me overreacting though.
Edited by RainbowPumpqueen on Apr 23rd 2021 at 5:37:20 PM
Sandbox help wanted.