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Throughout this site, some tropers have a habit of adding in potholes and references to their favorite reviewers in entries, e.g. "Come see (reviewer)'s take on it here!"

Not only is it often unnecessary, but in some cases if the critic in question is a Caustic Critic it can be used to invite complaining, on top of crossing over into Reviews Are the Gospel territory since these tropers often treat these reviewers as if their opinion is fact.

Per this thread in Wiki Talk, this thread has been created in Long-Term Projects to clean up this kind of thing and Reviews Are the Gospel-type stuff in general.

REMEMBER: This criteria, made by mightymewtron, should be followed for knowing when to keep reviewer potholes:

If it's a widespread opinion and the entry can stand on its own, and the reviewer just helps explain it, then I don't think it's doing harm.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Feb 3rd 2021 at 3:28:10 PM

MisterToodleoo That guy who stays for the closing credits. Since: Jul, 2018 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
That guy who stays for the closing credits.
#726: Aug 27th 2022 at 11:02:57 PM

I just found a part with not one, but two reviewer quotes on The Master of Disguise:

  • Ending Fatigue: The film makes up for its scant 64-minute run-time by having nonstop outtakes, deleted scenes and other such Padding both during and after the credits.
    Roger Ebert: The credits go on and on and on. The movie is like a party guest who thinks he is funny and is wrong. The end credits are like the same guest taking too long to leave. At one point they at last mercifully seemed to be over, and the projectionist even closed the curtains, but no: There was Dana Carvey, still visible against the red velvet, asking us what we were still doing in the theater. That is a dangerous question to ask after a movie like The Master of Disguise.
    The Nostalgia Critic: And just when you think they couldn't possibly kill anything else, the movie decides it also wants to kill our time. Yeah. Just when you think it's time to go home, it turns out the movie is only an hour and twelve minutes long. God, it feels such an eternity longer, but nevertheless, that's the running time. So they literally fill up EIGHT MINUTES of credits with bloopers, alternate takes, deleted scenes; they're pretty much forcing you to watch all the special features on the DVD, because they know, for a fact, you'll never be interested enough in seeing them!

Are we human, or are we dancer?
harryhenry It's either real or it's a dream Since: Jan, 2012
It's either real or it's a dream
#727: Aug 27th 2022 at 11:58:51 PM

Neither of those are needed, easy cut.

DongwaChan from Your soul Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#728: Aug 28th 2022 at 4:09:34 PM

Bringing this up from the professional wrestling sub-page for Troubled Production. I also think it could count for the complaining thread.

  • Because TNA's heyday (so far) happened in the mid-to-late 2000s, it naturally became a font of memes and snarky internet criticism, mostly from the Observer podcasts, 420chan's /wooo/, and Wrestle! Wrestle! By 2010, even the jaded blogger demo had moved on to better things, primarily because 1) all the jokes had been told, and 2) we'd already seen this story play out, scene-by-scene, in WCW ten years earlier. Right down to the company flushing its own collateral just to elevate some old guys.
    WrestleCrap: The main event of the evening was to feature Sting vs. the man who was probably the hottest merchandise seller and most popular wrestler the company ever had, Jeff Hardy. So they turned Jeff heel. Bang.

DongwaChan from Your soul Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#729: Aug 28th 2022 at 11:20:07 PM

Bringing this up from the Music - Concerts, Tours and Festivals sub-page for Troubled Production.

  • The show was a financial flop and a critical disaster (critic Mark Armstrong gave the infamous review "Stop! For the Love of God!") Another issue was putting the show in large 15-20,000 seat arenas, as opposed to the theaters that Ross was playing at the time. The writing was well on the wall when, the show only filled 10,000 seats at the 19,000-seat Palace of Auburn Hills in the northern suburbs of Detroit (AKA the birthplace of Motown). After this, the remaining dates were canceled, and Ross blamed the promoters for the failure.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#730: Aug 30th 2022 at 2:21:39 PM

Bringing up the following example from Fullmetal Alchemist (2003):

  • What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?: The 2003 anime portrays the plights of the Ishbalans and the town of Lior as having heavy parallels with The War on Terror and the xenophobia against Muslims that pervaded the early 2000s, especially with the people of Lior being Race Lifted from light-skinned Amestrians in a mountainous region to a different, darker-skinned ethnic group in a desert region. This is despite the fact that Word of God says she based the Ishbalans on the Ainu, the indigenous people of northern Japan who now mainly live in her native Hokkaido. Jacob Chapman goes into detail about these allegories here.

DongwaChan from Your soul Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#731: Aug 30th 2022 at 6:40:32 PM

[up] Cut out the final sentence.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#732: Aug 30th 2022 at 7:11:51 PM

Bringing up the following example from Super Little Fanta Heroes:

  • What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs?: The third part of the retelling of The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Everyone lives, Clopin turns Phoebus and Fleur-de-lys into hunchbacks, Djali into a human girl for Gringoire to marry, Quasimodo becomes normal looking, regains his hearing and marries Esmeralda with a redeemed Frollo performing the double wedding. Youtuber Bryan Croi Dragon is of the opinion that the writers were on drugs when it came to writing the third part.

MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#734: Aug 30th 2022 at 8:29:37 PM

Bringing up the following example from Same Language Dub:

  • In the UK it isn't uncommon to find a TV commercial which is actually exactly the same as its US counterpart, just with all the actors redubbed to have British accents, same with Germany and Austria. This is frequently Lamp Shaded and sent up by acerbically embittered deconstruction site Ad Turds.

MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#735: Aug 30th 2022 at 9:18:17 PM

[up] That last sentence is probably unnecessary and can be cut.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#736: Aug 31st 2022 at 7:52:51 AM

Bringing up the following examples from Wild Wild West:

  • In Name Only: The original show was a merging of The Western with the Spy Drama. It didn't really have many Steampunk elements, just some technology that would have been high-tech for the time period. The movie ran with Steampunk and the specific James Bond-style "save the world" spy escapades. The show didn't have anything like the Spider Tank or the magnetic collars, which makes it a very stark contrast going between the two. According to Cracked, the premise of the Wild Wild West movie is based on a Batman: The Animated Series episode that originally starred Jonah Hex. It isn't exactly known how it became a Wild Wild West story.
  • What Happened to the Mouse?: The trope centeric podcast "Film Sack" refers to this as "The Chick in the Bucket" after viewing this film, where Jim West leaves the Girl of the Week in a water tower bucket, never to be seen or heard from again.

DongwaChan from Your soul Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#737: Aug 31st 2022 at 1:01:29 PM

[up] Cut out all the reviewer mentions and re-write the entries to make it look like they were never there.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#738: Sep 1st 2022 at 4:07:59 PM

Bringing up the following example from The Mister:

DongwaChan from Your soul Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#739: Sep 1st 2022 at 9:35:55 PM

[up] Cut out the critic mention and re-write the entry to make it look like it was never there.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#740: Sep 2nd 2022 at 3:51:15 AM

Bringing up the following example from Filling the Silence:

  • The Movie Nights review of Theodore Rex notes that the movie is just so full of what amounts to static noise - random grunts, Narrating the Obvious, and mumbling ad-libs that to the extent the movie even manages any meaningful dialog related to the plot, it's completely drowned out and impossible to follow.

mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Angry babby
#741: Sep 2nd 2022 at 7:01:39 AM

If it's literally just "This reviewer says that..." with no additional relevance or explanatory quotes, you can easily cut that first bit and rephrase it.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#742: Sep 4th 2022 at 1:17:28 AM

Bringing up the following example from Most Definitely Not a Villain:

  • In This Island Earth, a dinner conversation with Exeter quickly makes it clear he's not from Earth, as if his gigantic forehead with a huge dent in the middle wasn't enough of a clue. When it was chosen to be the experiment for Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie, Tom Servo repeatedly riffs on this part, concluding, "Then I ram my ovipositor down your throat and lay my eggs in your chest. But I'm not an alien!"

DongwaChan from Your soul Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#743: Sep 4th 2022 at 10:04:17 AM

[up] Cut out the MST3K references and re-write the example to make it look like it was never there.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#744: Sep 5th 2022 at 5:34:37 AM

Bringing up the following examples from E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial:

badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#745: Sep 6th 2022 at 8:31:10 AM

Found in Mexicans Love Speedy Gonzales:

  • Lionel Hutz is beloved by Youtuber Legal Eagle, an actual copyright attorney, who goes into some depth that the man is considered "the best worst lawyer ever" by many in his profession and that it's very common for lawyers to quote his "No, money down!" bit.

  • LegalEagle has proclaimed his love for two fictional lawyers, Lionel Hutz from The Simpsons and Saul Goodman from Better Call Saul, in spite of both characters being walking lawyer jokes. As he rightly points out, Goodman is a sleazebag but generally gives very solid legal advice, and Hutz is so bad his sheer Refuge in Audacity Crosses the Line Twice.

First one looks like it can be rewritten, second one might need to be axed.

DongwaChan from Your soul Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#746: Sep 7th 2022 at 1:59:49 PM

[up][up] Cut all the reviewer and comedy show references in the E.T. example.

mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Angry babby
#747: Sep 8th 2022 at 4:55:10 AM

[up][up] Those each might count if lawyers in general like him, not just one guy.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#748: Sep 8th 2022 at 7:08:22 AM

Bringing up the following example from Explosive Instrumentation:

  • The infamous scouter devices in Dragon Ball Z exploded each time they measured a rapid increase in a power source, something that happened regularly during the course of a battle. For a device held on the eye by people regularly fighting powerful enemies, the scientists probably should have reduced the amount of explosives apparently used for its capacitors.
    • One particularly ridiculous example was in a filler scene, when several of Freeza's mooks were watching the fight between Goku and Freeza on a computer, when the scanner explodes and wipes out everyone in the room. Even though they were on a different planet. And they were most likely super-powered Ki fighters.
    • Portable models ceased use for the most part once Frieza actually started fighting with Vegeta, given the power levels were starting to get flat-out ridiculous. In Dragon Ball Z Abridged, Freeza's even says "F**K THIS, I'M OUT" before self-destructing.

DongwaChan from Your soul Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#749: Sep 8th 2022 at 1:28:28 PM

[up] Cut out all the reviewer and abridged series references and re-write it to be less nattery and snarky.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#750: Sep 10th 2022 at 11:51:28 AM

Bringing up the following example from The World Is Always Doomed:

  • As Linkara puts it: "It's the DC Universe, the end of the world isn't even an excuse for getting off work any more."


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