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In order to properly evaluate a Hate Sink candidate, the following questions must be answered.

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What is the work?

State the work and which medium it is a part of, as well as what the work is about.

Who is the character, and what do they do?

State who the character is, and what courses of action they take.

What makes them personally despicable?

State the specific reasons they are despicable, such as petty behaviour and personal villainy.

Evil Is Cool traits? Complexity? Freudian Excuse?

State whether or not the character has any traits which get in the way of them being despicable, and if so, whether said traits are de-emphasised in favour of their despicable behaviour.

Verdict?

State whether or not you believe the criteria are met.

In order for this trope to be in effect, the character in question must actually display detestable qualities, and be hated by other characters at least, or treated by the narrative like someone you are supposed to hate. The authorís declared intent cements an example, but is not needed if the narrative itself treats the character as someone who is supposed to be hated.

Haman the Agagite, for instance, displays qualities of ego, bigotry, and pettiness; additionally, there is a custom of jeering at his nameís mere mention. It goes without saying, according to this thread, that Haman was intended to be despised by the audience. Being a Draco in Leather Pants, like Draco Malfoy, or a character people Love to Hate, like Joffrey Baratheon, doesnít preclude being a Hate Sink; being a Complete Monster, like Haman, certainly doesn't preclude this trope either.

The main concern is whether the narrative treats the character as someone intended to be despised.

With regards to this trope, actions still generally speak louder than words. The format of editing which brings up characters who don't fit the bill, doesn't generally go into enough detail with regards to what makes these characters loathsome.

The entries for this trope should focus on who does qualify, not the characters who do not.

Admittedly, this trope is less complex, but, because a Hate Sink carries out loathsome actions the same way a Complete Monster carries out evil actions, and a Magnificent Bastard carries out clever actions, it is ostensibly necessary to write these entries with a similar structure, albeit usually with a shorter paragraph.

Edited by gjjones on May 28th 2019 at 5:46:22 AM

miraculous I am a link in a chain from South Africa
I am a link in a chain
Aug 23rd 2019 at 4:04:11 AM

[tup]Henderson

"Demonstrate for us your great skill at standing there, and you'll be fine."
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from The Continental Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Relationship Status: In my bunk
Aug 23rd 2019 at 6:27:39 AM

New proposal, from Army of Frankensteins.

Who's the candidate?

Eugene, manager of the grocery store where Alan's girlfriend Ashley works.

What does he do?

Eugene is first seen calling Ashley into his office, and trying to hit on her. When she rejects him, he forcibly kisses her. Judging by Mrs. Henderson's comments, he's done this at least once before. Unfortunately, Alan walks in at just the wrong time and thinks the two are having an affair, causing him to dump her. Luckily, at the end they get back together and Alan punches Eugene's lights out.

Personally despicable?

Eugene's only real character trait is being a sleazeball who sexually harasses his employees.

Redeeming qualities?

None. As stated, his sole character trait is his perversion.

Verdict?

[tup]

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from The Continental Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
Aug 23rd 2019 at 7:31:59 AM

Easy keeper you've got there, Ducky. And welcome to the thread.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 23rd 2019 at 10:34:09 AM

I'm just sorting some stuff out.
AustinDR TV good for Ed from Fresh and ready for life.
TV good for Ed
Aug 23rd 2019 at 10:48:17 AM

From Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark (2019):

Who is he?

Tommy Milner was the Bastard Boyfriend of Chuck's older sister Ruth. Your typical run of the mill asshat, Stella, Chuck, and Auggie decide to play a prank on him during Halloween night, and after trying to track them down to beat them up as payback, the trio of misfits meet a Hispanic man named Ramon and they go to hide at an alleged haunted house that belonged to the esteemed Bellows family. Tommy finds them and then locks them in a secret room, along with his own girlfriend. While they were down there, Stella discovers a book of scary stories that was written by the late Sarah Bellows. This book however is unique as the stories seemingly come to life before their eyes.

One such story is that of a scarecrow named Harold (my favorite story from the original books). Much like in the original story, Tommy bullies Harold and often takes out his rage on him. When the book mentions Tommy within its pages, Harold becomes sentient and leaves his post. After stalking Tommy through the corn maze — and making it seemingly inescapable — Harold stabs Tommy through the belly with a pitchfork. Rather than dying instantaneously, Tommy started to vomit up straw. The next day, Tommy is found on Harold's post, becoming the very scarecrow that he had despised.

Personally despicable?

Yes. He is an asshole and a racist. Not much to say there.

Redeeming factors?

No. Not even being in a relationship with Chuck's older sister meant anything as he tosses her in the secret room and leaves her locked up with no intention of returning for her. So yeah.

Why you little-!
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from The Continental Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
Aug 23rd 2019 at 11:34:23 AM

[tup] Tommy. Anyone else voting on Ducky's candidate?

[down] You can actually start writing now, as you already have 3 votes.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 23rd 2019 at 2:38:34 PM

I'm just sorting some stuff out.
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from The Continental Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
Aug 23rd 2019 at 1:01:32 PM

Ok, so these hate sink entries from the James Bond films are in dire need of rewriting. I'm thinking that spoilers should remain unmarked on the franchise hate sink subpages.

I also believe that, like the Complete Monster subpages, Hate Sink subpages should have a minimum of 7 entries. All in favour say "aye".

I'm just sorting some stuff out.
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Relationship Status: In my bunk
Aug 23rd 2019 at 1:24:19 PM

[tup] Tommy

Also, procedural question: Is there a Drafts page like Complete Monster, or do we just add the entries ourselves?

@Brainulator: Who's your candidate?

Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Aug 23rd 2019 at 1:27:35 AM

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Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from The Continental Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
Aug 23rd 2019 at 2:26:08 PM

[up][up] Shadao has the Hate Sink Drafts in his sig line.

Please also take a moment to read this post if you haven't already.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 23rd 2019 at 5:43:19 AM

I'm just sorting some stuff out.
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Relationship Status: In my bunk
Aug 23rd 2019 at 4:19:04 PM

[tup] Dai

As for the Bond entries? I don't know enoigh about the franchise to do anything with the writeups.

Any more votes on Henderson or Eugene?

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MasterJoseph Shipping FrolaytiaXQwenthur of Heavy Object. Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Shipping FrolaytiaXQwenthur of Heavy Object.
Stellarvore Miss me? Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Miss me?
Aug 23rd 2019 at 7:44:46 PM

Easy yes to Tommy. I wanted to propose him, but I didn't know dibs were called on him. Man, what a letdown of a movie.

[down] Fair enough. I'm barely in the CM thread these days (should prooooobably change that little tidbit on my troper page), so I didn't know you reserved discussion.

Edited by Stellarvore on Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:56:14 AM

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AustinDR TV good for Ed from Fresh and ready for life.
TV good for Ed
Aug 23rd 2019 at 7:51:03 PM

I think it's kind of an unspoken rule of thumb that if a troper reserves a film, it also includes other tropes such as CM, MB, etc. I had reserved the discussion of the page for the CM forum, so the HS discussion was also reserved by me.

Why you little-!
Aug 23rd 2019 at 10:47:37 PM

Yes to everyone i missed.

Shadao Surprised Satoshi
Surprised Satoshi
Aug 23rd 2019 at 11:21:45 PM

Finally, got some time to deal with the second half. All of these have been added:

  • Tricky People: Reginald Charming is a dark and serious villain, standing in jarring contrast to the colorful and zany protagonist in Yellow Dyno. A popular record producer and "upstanding citizen", Charming is a serial pedophile and child porn artist who uses his position of trust and charisma to lure kids in for photoshoots and picking out a girl he especially likes. One of his previous victims was Carmen, who photos Charming holds against her and threatens her with. He later tries to take "private photos" of Carmen's friend, Lyric, and implicitly tries to force himself onto her before Yellow Dyno saves her. A surprisingly realistic and menacing depiction of a child predator, the emotional trauma he puts Carmen through is highlighted when she laments her lost innocence and her fear of telling anyone about Charming.
  • Jigsaw: Anna seems like an empathetic Final Girl figure throughout the movie, trying to help others caught in one of Jigsaw's games, but is soon to be revealed one of his most deserving victims. It's revealed she was neighbors with John Kramer, who witnessed how she smothered her baby to death because the crying annoyed her, and framed and gaslighted her husband into thinking he did it. This causes her husband to be institutionalized and commit suicide out of guilt. The reason Jigsaw picked her for his game was to force penance on her. What makes her worse is not only does she not feel remorse, but she believes she did nothing wrong as well and doesn't deserve what's happening to her. She also selfishly tries to kill the last survivor, thinking it'll ensure her survival.
  • Mexican Werewolf In Texas: Anna's parents Brad and Carol are real pieces of work. Part of the founding family of Furlough, they're more concerned about their status, and their disdain of Hispanics in their town, than they are about the chupacabra attacks in their town. Carol is constantly heckling Brad about their lack of wealth, despite them being well off all things considered; Brad takes advantage of the chupacabra attacks for his plan to kill Anna's boyfriend Miguel, simply because he's Mexican-American. They two also half-ass their empathy towards Brad's traumatized uncle when his son is killed by the chupacabra, with Carol making it a matter of inheritance. This makes Brad getting shot by Miguel (at Anna's encouragement no less) and being mauled by the chupacabra all the more amusing to watch.
  • Sly 3: Honor Among Thieves: In a series that contains many villains with amusing quirks, an awesome presence, sympathetic pasts and some even redeem themselves, these two are just unlikeable villains the player can't wait to defeat:
    • The main villain, Dr. M, was a former member of Sly's father Connor's gang, whose selfishness and Lack of Empathy define his personality, who believes he is entitled to the riches of the Cooper vault, Sly's rightful inheritance, after Connor's death. Dr. M is introduced slowly killing a henchman over a petty and minor failure, mockingly bringing up said henchmen's family and stating he'll never see them again. Dr. M injures and comes close to killing Sly; kills Carmelita's police squad for trying to stop him, and tries to turn Bentley against Sly. Despite all this, he has the audacity to call others selfish for trying to take what's "rightfully" his, and rationalize what he's doing as "self-defense".
    • General Tsao is a Chinese warlord who takes an arrogant pride in coming from a family line of warriors. The Arc Villain of the levels set in China, Tsao has kidnapped Panda King's daughter Jing to forcibly marry her and merge their "great bloodlines". When Sly confronts him, Tsao states he prefers servants and obedience to love and friendship and states that as a woman, Jing doesn't know up from down. Despite his pride in being a warrior, he chickens out when Sly gets the upper hand in a fight, and summons vampires and a dragon onto his village to avoid further interference. When Tsao is arrested, everyone is glad to see him go.
  • Dead Rising:
    • Brock Mason stands in contrast to the considerably more sympathetic Carlito Keyes, representing the callousness and cruelty the American government inflicted on his people. Mason is the special forces leader who saw the military occupation of Santa Cabeza, and when the government's experiments resulted in a zombie outbreak, Mason's "clean up" operation involved not only wiping out the zombies, but wholesale slaughter of civilians and survivors to cover up the incident. During the Willamette outbreak Keyes starts in retaliation, Mason leads an operation intending to wipe out the city as part of the cover-up. When confronted by Frank West, Mason makes expresses his misanthropy, lack of remorse and is more annoyed that humans are more stubborn "prey" than zombies.
    • Jo Slade stands in stark contrast to the other "Psychopath" bosses, lacking any sympathetic aspects or comedic quirks. An abrasive, obnoxious, misogynistic and lustful cop on an authority trip, Slade uses her position and the zombie outbreak as an excuse to be a Serial Rapist, keeping numerous women captive with the intent on raping them to death, and is preparing to molest a woman when Frank confronts her. Despite only appearing once, she establishes herself as one of the most deplorable and nasty bosses in the series.

Incidentally, I noticed that there's another Sly Cooper Hate Sink on the Video Game page. You know Penelope. I think it might require a rewrite though.

Here's the Sink: Hate Sink Drafts | Hate Sink Dates | Hate Sink To Do Lists | Pending Write-Ups
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Relationship Status: In my bunk
Aug 23rd 2019 at 11:49:47 PM

  • Army of Frankensteins: Alan Jones' life before he's sent back in time absolutely sucks, and these two are significant reasons why:
    • Mrs. Henderson, his landlady, sexually harasses him when trying to collevt the rent. After seeing the ring Alan intends to propose to his girlfriend Ashley with, she denands the ring on threat of eviction. She's also a brazen hypocrite, Slut-Shaming Ashley not five minutes after trying to sleep with a taken man.
    • Eugene, Ashley's boss, who regularly hits on her despite being rejected every time. Eventually, he starts to force kisses on her. One of said kisses happens at just the wrong time for Alan to walk in and think she's into it.

Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Aug 23rd 2019 at 11:51:14 AM

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miraculous I am a link in a chain from South Africa
I am a link in a chain
Aug 24th 2019 at 9:51:31 AM

[tup]everyone I missed

"Demonstrate for us your great skill at standing there, and you'll be fine."
AustinDR TV good for Ed from Fresh and ready for life.
TV good for Ed
Aug 24th 2019 at 10:02:31 AM

Next time, stellarvore, you could PM me on if you want to handle these kinds of discussions. I really don't mind.

Also from Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark (2019):

Who are they?

The Bellows family were a wealthy family of Mill Valley, Pennsylvania, who specialized in the production of paper mills. While they reaped many benefits from the paper mills, this was at the cost of mercury getting into the drinking water and killing several children. Alongside this dark secret, the Bellows had a daughter that they had hidden away, Sarah Bellows. Sarah was mistreated and abused for having albinism and thus was considered a freak of nature by her own family.

When she realizes the source of the child deaths were the paper mills, her family threw her into a mental asylum where her own brother — Dr. Ephraim Bellows — gaslighted her into believing that she was the cause of the children's deaths. If she did not comply, she would receive electroshock therapy until she was broken down. But fate would have it that Sarah would get revenge on her family through the stories that she would write, but she became a wrathful ghost who is unwittingly released by Stella and her friends when they visited the old Bellows house.

Personally despicable?

Yes. Child abuse. Getting rich off of the deaths of children. Their utter willingness to torture Sarah into making her a scapegoat for the deaths? There is not one drop of goodness within any of them.

Redeeming factors?

Again, no. They were a greedy family who did not give a single, solidary crap that they were poisoning the town's children and place the blame on Sarah to get off scot-free.

Why you little-!
Aug 24th 2019 at 12:25:51 PM

[up] HUGE [tup] to the Bellows family. I saw that film recently, and honestly, as an Autistic man, it's been a long time since any movie villain made my blood boil like these scumbags did. I sincerely hope we get an extended cut of the film someday because I really wanted to see them get what they deserve.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Relationship Status: In my bunk
Aug 24th 2019 at 3:31:10 PM

[tup] Bellows family

New proposal, from The Galaxy Invader.

Who's the candidate?

Joe Montague, a redneck who discovers an alien crash-landed near his house.

What does he do?

Even before being cobsumed br greed, Joe is an abusuve drunk who thinks he can forbid his 25-year-old daughter from seeing a boy. When she slaps him (after he slapped her first, mind you), he chases her with a shotgun, firing several rounds off in the process. Luckily, she lives. After discovering the alien, Joe decides to capture him for scoence, continuing to do so even when it kills his alleged best friend in self-defense. He then tries to rape said friend's girlfriend before killing her with the alien's gun. After even his son, who acted as his toady throughout the film, turns on him, Joe just gives up and decides to massacre his entire family before his wife grows a spine and knocks him off a cliff with his own shotgun.

Personally despicable?

Abusive, controlling, greedy, drunken rapist who tries to murder his entire family.

Redeeming qualities?

None. He only shows care for his son when he's completely submissive, and decides to kill him the second he stops doing so. He's already listed as a Complete Monster.

Verdict?

[tup]

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Stellarvore Miss me? Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Miss me?
Aug 24th 2019 at 4:24:14 PM

Okay, Austin, sounds good. I'll definitely keep in touch.

Yes to the Bellows family (I kinda wanted to see them proposed as CMs, but I can understand your reasoning not to) and yes to Joe Montague. He sounds pretty nasty for a Z-grade movie villain.

~Shadao My writeup for David McCall has been sitting around for a while now. When will he be added?

Edited by Stellarvore on Aug 24th 2019 at 6:26:53 AM

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from The Continental Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
Aug 24th 2019 at 6:04:27 PM

[tup] Bellows and Montague. All in favour of a seven entry minimum requirement for Hate Sink pages, say aye.

I'm just sorting some stuff out.

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