Needs Help: Punk Punk

Noting that by naming Cyberpunk and Steampunk as the codifiers of the Punk Punk genre, we have 22 tropes to remove/cut/rewrite:

I think we should also consider Scavenged Punk and Afro Futurism because they wick back to Punk Punk.

Stone Punk can be cut and redirected.

Dungeon Punk... confuses me. Googling it mostly comes up with our own article and webpages referring to it, and I'm having difficulty effectively parsing it from just "setting with Magitek," especially looking at the examples. Even ignoring those, the best the description seems to tell me is "a Magitek setting that's cynical" which seems... weak.

The description makes it fairly clear to me. I don't have much experience with examples of it but I can get the sense from

"... genre which tries to apply the gritty, cynical tone of Cyber Punk and Steam Punk to a Heroic Fantasy setting."

Cyberpunk is high tech low culture, dungeon punk appears to be Magitek Low Fantasy or a subversion of High Fantasy with magitek filling in for the role of Ludd Was Right for the setting.

Could we try to stick to one subtrope at a time? Any more votes vis a vis Stone Punk?

Probably could use a rename and made a subtrope of bamboo tech.

What is it you find unique enough to split from Bamboo Technology? Is it the use of dinosaurs as part of the equipment?

Basically yeah and its aesthetic is a very unique flavor of stone chiselling but with modern elements in the visuals that is very unique and a notable.

Most of these Punk tropes are the same way, they are a unique a completely unique artstyle that are a trope and basically what the tropes snowcloned off of Cyberpunk and such. Occasionally it wasn't even us who did the cloning.

Edited by Memers on Jun 18th 2019 at 6:36:17 AM

• This◊ is an example of Bamboo Technology, but doesn't have "modern elements in the visuals".
• This does have "modern elements", but doesn't have it pervasive across the setting. Conflict between the younger, innovative generation and the older, traditional generation is an important arc in the story. It cannot be a setting for this work.
• This is full-on Anachronism Stew, not even using Bamboo Technology, as is this comic.

I mean sure cleanup and rewrite is needed as there are some bad examples but its pretty clear on the page.

No, it isn't clear on the page. I'm contending that The Flintstones is the only example that fits your claim. One work is not a trope.

Edited by crazysamaritan on Jun 20th 2019 at 7:54:29 AM

I can think of a few others and there are a few on the page, probably not enough for a trope though. /shrug.

It does increasingly sound like trying to make examples fit a trope rather than making a trope to fit examples.

So basically us synthesizing tropes rather than saying what happens in fiction. I've wondered if this is a problem we have on a grander scale, seeing as Five Bad Band was cut for that reason.

Well some of these tropes on the chopping block exist outside of TV Tropes as well as fit the pattern established by those.

The other wiki even has an entry for Stone Punk

Edited by Memers on Jun 21st 2019 at 5:09:43 AM

Right now it's 4 in favor, 2 against cutting Stone Punk. Any other opinions? Given that it's a pre-existing term, I would suggest making it a redirect to One Million BC.

The wikipedia section has only one citation to a website that no longer exists... Hardy conclusive proof of the trope's existence. Worth noting also that One Million BC, which does not wick to Stone Punk, already mentions the essence of Stone Punk in its description:

~Xtifr was the Creator of that sandbox, but they haven't been online for ~a year. I think you're safe to rewrite it.

I created a new draft in Sandbox.Punk Punk. There are two subtrope lists: ones that we think are definitely cyberpunk derivatives, and ones that need to be discussed. Once people are satisfied with the description re-write, I think the next thing for this thread is to create a project thread to discuss all the subtropes and whether they fit the new definition. I think this would work similarly to the Appearance Trope thread, where we go through them one at a time vote to:

1. Keep on Punk Punk, if they fit the definition
2. Rename, if they don't fit the definition but have a -punk snowclone name (exceptions if the term is widely used)
3. Cut, if the trope doesn't actually exist.

If you think I've missed any potential subtropes, feel free to add them to the "to be discussed" list in the sandbox.

I'm satisfied with your draft and proposal.

Any other opinions?

Well I personally think we should be wary on option 3. Just cause say the other wiki or places doesn't recognize it it doesn't mean the trope isn't there or not fitting the patterns of the rest.

I meant that if the trope is a duplicate of another one, or if none of the examples actually seem to be in the same genre. I suspect this is the case with a few of them, as snowclone names lead to shoehorning. But that's probably not true for most of the tropes on the list. Of course we don't need external validation for tropes to exist.

Are you ok with the sandbox draft and the general idea of a projects thread? We don't actually have to cut any tropes if consensus is against it, I just think it should be an option.

Permission to swap in the description on Sandbox.Punk Punk into the main page and start that project thread?

Let's go ahead and do that.