I know Gacha characters would fit more under Tier Induced Scrappy but is it possible for a character to be hated even beyond them being crap characters? Because I can make a case for the Fire Emblem Heroes version of Raigh as one of, if not the most hated character outside of the tier lists. Him being a 3-4* unit from the game's first year already makes him a TIS especially with the powercreep in the game making him and others like the Y1 Healers borderline obsolete, but between his being way more common than needed, bad art and smug personality combined with his divisiveness in Binding Blade, I rarely find even ironic gushing about him like with Wrys or Bartre.
Tier Induced Scrappy as a whole is a total mess. Even the main page does an incredibly poor job defining it beyond an umbrella for a bunch of gameplay related character tropes (some of them relating to unbalanced characters) but with more complaining. I feel it at least needs its own cleanup thread. That said, I'm sure gameplay issues can definitely ruin a character and factor here.
My "intenional scrappy" idea is an Audience Intended Reaction to the character at least as much as it relates to an in-universe reaction. A good anime example is Excel from Excel Saga. Many fans also find her annoying but that's clearly intentional and a big part of that show's humor.
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Yeah, I feel like "intentionally annoying as a character but not necessarily a shitty person" is different from Hate Sink, but I could be thinking of the latter too narrowly.
That just sounds like Jerkass (a strike against scrappydom as it implies it's intentional). There are objective tropes to cover the annoyance.
From The Scrappy:
- Much like Bumblebee, many Gunpla fans are either annoyed or outright exasperated with the Wing Zero Custom. For a start, the primary reason for its popularity, its angel-wing design, comes across as fantastical and unrealistic in a series that is primarily focused on RealRobots (where are even its thrusters?). It's also has received a ton of different variants when fans want to see kits from other, newer series, and a lot of the kits, such as the much decried Perfect Grade version, often have shoddy designs (those wings are really heavy attached to really flimsy hinges).
If it's getting over exposed due to popularity, it's by definition too popular to count, right?
Yeah Teruteru and Hiyoko are literally just Jerkasses with some redeeming qualities. They aren't really unintentionally hated since they are jerks and hated both in universe and out.
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I seem to recall someone tried to propose that example on this thread before without getting approved. I guess they added it anyway? Just get rid of it.
This was just added to TheScrappy.Animated Films.
- Gopher is not popular with British fans of the Winnie the Pooh animated adaptations of the original A.A. Milne books, as Gopher isn't in the original books. He was created in order to give the films more appeal to American audiences and is often criticised for being symbolic of the heavy Americanisation the franchise has undergone under Disney. Furthermore, as gophers are native only to North and Central America, his inclusion has effectively changed the location of the Hundred Acre Wood (and other locations in the forest Winnie-the-Pooh and his friends live in) to the United States, whereas the original books are clearly set in England (specifically in Ashdown Forest, West Sussex).
- Gopher was excluded from the 2011 animated film and the 2018 live-action film Christopher Robin, as both were specifically designed to be a lot more faithful to the original books and thus more appealing to British audiences.
I haven't seen that many Americans who hate Gopher. If he's only hated in England and not the US, wouldn't this fit better under Americans Hate Tingle?
Gopher (Winnie The Pooh) would probably be a case of Americans Hate Tingle at worst. He might be hated in England but I feel Americans are mostly indifferent to him. As opposed to Eeyore or Tigger, he rarely gets mentioned by fans.
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FWIW, my boyfriend was kinda bummed that Gopher wasn't in Christopher Robin, so they have their fans for sure. Even if it's just my boyfriend. ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
So would that make him a Base-Breaking Character more or less?
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Not really since only the British seem to have a problem with him. Americans Hate Tingle makes more sense.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
I was referring to how BBC and AHT can overlap.
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YMMV.The Falcon And The Winter Soldier Episode 6 One World One People:
- Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: This episode went a long way towards redeeming John Walker in the eyes of many viewers by having him join forces with Sam and Bucky and helping save the hostages, even ditching his shield and forgoing his quest for revenge to do so. When Val gives him a new unique suit and dubs him US Agent, it's hard not to feel happy for him as he celebrates being back in the game.
He was never a Scrappy. He was supposed to be disliked for that, what he got was closer to Love to Hate. It's also before the waiting period for Scrappy.
Can Rescued apply if the character was never a Scrappy or a Base-Breaking Character? Especially if being disliked than redeemed was the intended reaction all along as opposed to a fix.
I've asked before to no clear answer. That was before we implemented the waiting period. Does that change things or help give an answer?
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The waiting period makes it even clearer that it doesn't fit, TBH.
Power Rangers Turbo has some examples that I feel need to be discussed:
- The Scrappy: Too many, which is why this series is disliked.
- Justin, who had shades of the Creator's Pet. But a lot of it comes mostly from concept rather than execution. He was a young kid compared to the older Rangers and no matter how hard Blake Foster tried he always stuck out among the group. But as a character he was fairly well rounded: skilled and observant but with moments of jealousy, pride and short-sightedness. It doesn't help that Justin's actor Blake Foster recently went on social media to attack Abraham Rodriguez (Power Rangers Beast Morphers' Nate). Foster has subsequently received a lot of backlash from fans and fellow PR actors alike. I can see him staying around on here, since he definitely gets a huge amount of hate for being a kid ranger, but is the drama with his actor necessary? That seems more like X-Pac Heat.
- Alpha 6, also of Turbo, could qualify. While Alpha 5 was dorky-but-lovable, Alpha 6 was an attempt to make Alpha cool by using forced-hip slang ("Yo, Rangers!"). It's no coincidence that as Turbo ended, he was damaged, and his voice chip needed to be replaced with one of Alpha 5's. Definite keep. While Power Rangers in Space rescued him with the new voice, this isn't In Space and people don't look to fondly for Alpha 6's rap appearance.
- Dimitria, both for replacing Zordon and being limited to interrogative statements for the first half of the series. Not sure. While I've definitely seen some people criticize her for replacing Zordon, she doesn't get anywhere near the hate the above 2 have gotten. Otherwise, it's more of a case people don't really care much about here and less hate, could fit Replacement Scrappy though.
- Elgar, mainly for being obnoxious and not remotely threatening. Elgar I can understand, but he is also on Base-Breaking Character on the same page for saying he gets more badass as the series goes on. But other than destroying Zodon's tube, I don't recall him getting more awesome, and fans always found it more funny whenever he suffers, especially when Astronema's bossing him around.
- Divatox is this due to the fact she replaced The Machine Empire and whining all the time when she loses. She also likes to set explosions all over the place and ALWAYS setting them for an hour, enough time for the Rangers to get rid of them! She is also seen as Rita-lite most of the time. I honestly don't think Divatox qualifies as a scrappy. Yes she is seen as a lamer replacement for the Machine Empire and yes her plans in the earlier episodes were always seen as predictable, and the fact that she was the one that destroyed the command center is a sour spot for many fans. On the other hand, I've seen plenty of people like her not just for her attractive appearance, but also because of her humor, finding her one of the funnier villains, which Base-Breaking Character also points out.
- There are many fans who dislike Ashley simply because of her actress, Tracy Lynn Cruz. She had dated Johnny Yong Bosch and in an interview years later he said once she got on Turbo she dumped him, stole his money and his car. Johnny (and Adam) was already The Woobie to fans and some people paint Tracy as evil, saying that she "eats the skulls of babies to survive". To be fair to Tracy some fans even asked her if she did eat them during a Power Morphicon. Johnny appears to regret letting out that information, due to how bad the backlash got. This is mostly actor drama and I have never seen anyone hate on Ashley herself. At most this is probably X-Pac Heat.
- The Blue Senturion isn't very popular either. The fan theory that he was, in fact, responsible for the events of Power Rangers RPM didn't help; though that was eventually Jossed by "Clash of the Red Rangers". Yeah no. I have never at all seen anyone hate the Blue Senturion, especially over a fan theory. At most people probably don't care much, but are mostly neutral to him.
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Erin Esurance is listed as The Scrappy on her own page. Does it count when she is basically the whole campaign? Can she be a scrappy for the genre of insurance commercials?
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RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap.Pokemon:
- Pokémon Diamond and Pearl made major changes to the metagame and the franchise overall thanks to the physical-special split. This made so that moves can be either special or physical based on the move itself instead of their type. This change caused several Pokémon who were previously laughably bad to become invaluable players because the moves they learn now became useful due to the stats for them. For example, Absol was introduced in Ruby and Sapphire and has a huge attack stat, but because it's a pure Dark type and all Dark-type moves are categorized as special, it couldn't properly take advantage of its sweeping abilities nor its STAB boost. Said split actually debuted in Pokémon XD with the Shadow moves introduced in that game, so the franchise started pulling itself out of the heap as a result of that. So since then, it became mainstream in Gen IV.
- Pokémon Black and White saved Technical Machines. For fourteen years, TMs were one-use items to teach moves, with most being found only once per save file or otherwise rather expensive, especially since some were exclusive to Game Corners. This resulted in most TMs being Too Awesome to Use. Gen V changed this so that they can be used as many times as the player wishes, much like with HMs.
- Similarly, Pokémon Sun and Moon saved Hidden Machines... ironically, by getting rid of them. For twenty years, HMs were a necessary evil. You had to have some Pokémon on your team that had these moves in order to fully traverse the environment, but most of them were not very good to use in battle (Surf, Waterfall, Strength, and Fly are considered to be decent) and you can't get rid of them unless you see a Move Deleter; thus, many players had a tendency to catch a Pokémon to use it as an HM Slave just to finish the game, which often takes up a slot in your party. Gen VII not only demoted some of the more useful HMs to regular TMs, but their functions were replaced with either Ride Pokémon that you can summon on the fly to perform the needed task or, in Pokémon Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!, abilities that could be taught to your partner Pokemon completely separate from their moveset.
- Baby Pokémon. When breeding was introduced in Gen II, it spawned Pokémon like Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Magby, Elekid, Smoochum, and Togepi, which were all hard to raise because of a lack of good moves and low stats, and it didn't help that you're forced to deal with them if you breed an older evolution. Gen III attempted to fix this by offering Incense items, which gives you the option to create a egg of the baby Pokémon, but this was only for those introduced beyond Gen II. Gen IV is seen as where the baby Pokémon issue was remedied by having some that evolve quicker via learning certain moves or having a certain Pokémon in your party, and are worth raising. It's still a tossup considering some of these Pokémon are still terrible regardless, and some can be difficult to find (such as Munchlax in Gen IV without knowing how your Trainer ID determines which Honey Trees have them), but the new changes still made it more forgivable.
- Generation VII saved an entire battle mechanic: terrains. Introduced in Generation VI, terrain effects were seen as a failed attempt to spice up the battlefield due to a lack of good setters and abusers in competitive play. Generation VII managed to solidify them as a battle mechanic through introducing a legendary quartet themed after the Terrain effects, more Pokémon that can take good advantage of the system, and the Terrain Extender item.
- Generation VII also saved an entire playstyle: hail teams. To put it short, hail was always the worst of the four weather conditions, with few good setters and almost no benefit for non Ice-type Pokémon beyond a 100% accurate Blizzard. Then Gen VII gave players a few interesting things: firstly, two decent setters in Alolan Ninetales and Vanilluxe (the latter notable for not having a double weakness). Second, the move Aurora Veil, a fusion of Light Screen and Reflect that can only be activated in hail. Finally, the Ability Slush Rush as a counterpart to Swift Swim, Sand Rush, and Chlorophyll, making hail more viable. While it has since disappeared from top tier play as a result of Ice types in general having too many weaknesses to capitalize on, in the mid and lower tiers it's all over the place, finally give Hail and Ice types some measure of viability and time in the sun.
- The Voltorb Flip minigame saved the Game Corner in Pokemon Heart Gold And Soul Silver. Previously, the Game Corner was viewed by the fanbase as an obnoxious Luck-Based Mission that was more trouble than it was worth. Voltorb Flip is much more forgiving, and even enjoyable in its challenge. While it's still a divisive change to some, it wasn't enough to prevent future games from removing the Game Corner entirely.note
I believe Rescued only applies to characters. Should these be moved to Author's Saving Throw, Balance Buff, or other appropriate tropes.
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Agreed. A lot of Pokemon were cut from The Scrappy for not being distinct characters so the same should apply here for being Scrappy Mechanics.
Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 29th 2021 at 3:21:15 PM
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- The Scrappy:
- While Abby is considered the biggest Base-Breaking Character of the game, no one of the players likes the various members of her group like Manny and Nora for helping her with the murder of Joel. Unlike her they get no Character Development after Joel's death and never show any sign of regret for their actions. The fact most of them use their last moments of life for either insult Joel's memory in front of Ellie or more simply try to kill her only increased the fandom's hate for them.
- Owen is widely disliked even if he was the only one who protested against Joel's murder for cheating on his pregnant girlfriend with Abby and causing Mel's death by attacking Ellie.
Do these sound like Hate Sinks? I'm not even sure they're meant to be liked.
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Erin Esurance probably fits better in Overshadowed by Controversy, since the controversy over Rule 34 art of her was one of the things that got her canned.
There is no "probably", The Scrappy is not for real people, neither is it just "hated/disliked character", that is People Sit on Chairs.
Edited by Delibirda on Apr 30th 2021 at 10:34:29 AM
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But what they said "probably" to was it being Overshadowed by Controversy. Not knowing her, I'm not sure if that does or doesn't fit. Scrappy needs to be cut, but there's a broader discussion here.
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I see.
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Also Erin isn't a real person. She's an animated character.
Overshadowed by Controversy might maybe bit, but she's already covered as Best Known for the Fanservice which is much more fitting.
Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 30th 2021 at 4:41:48 AM
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Yeah because Teruteru and Hiyoko are hated In-Universe too. I'd say an In-Universe Scrappy would be The Friend Nobody Likes to which Cartman would fit that despite being popular outside.
Also it lists the Monokubs from Killing Harmony when they are not only hated In-Universe but Hate Sinks too.
Edited by Klavice on Apr 15th 2021 at 2:51:05 AM
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