Is this an example?

This is on Star Trek: Voyager S5 E17: "Course: Oblivion".

• Meta Twist: An odd case, as the show's notoriously lax continuity and lazy writing makes it quite easy to be surprised by the twist, with Tom and B'Elanna's sudden marriage and the references to things we never saw naturally taken as just more of the writers not caring about their work.

Is this really an example, or just the typical bitching about Voyager?

All universes shall be judged.

~Bullman:

I think that's more fitting for the bashing cleanup.

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I agree with you, it did sounds like a critic to the show. "An odd case" counts as Weasel Words.

Edited by SoyValdo7 on Nov 28th 2022 at 9:40:37 AM

Valdo

Okay I took them there. Thanks.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread

Trope Finder suggested that Farscape scene would fit Strolling Through the Chaos and also Tranquil Fury and Villainous Breakdown.

Is that agreed on here?

Edited by Avenger09 on Nov 29th 2022 at 3:09:54 PM

I’ve some more Midnight Mass questions:

1. The Angel has Made of Iron and Diabolus ex Nihilo on the character page. I think the former doesn’t apply because the Angel clearly isn’t human, and the later ^note  Its origins are a complete mystery. Somehow it ended up trapped in a buried tomb outside Damascus. How that happened, how old it is, or even if it really Was Once a Man are never elaborated upon. seems more like Mysterious Past. What do y’all think?
2. I want to add the following to the Main page:
   Generic Doomsday Villain: While it’s clearly sapient enough to work with Fr. Paul, it is never explained why the Angel would go along with the plan. No insight is given into its mind, and any possible feelings or motives beyond feeding are never explored.

Any notes? I feel like it needs a revision.

I figure this is somewhere in the trope family around Delayed Causality but I'm not 100% sure where it should go.

• Booty Royale: Never Go Down Without a Fight!: In the Tournament Arc, Karateka Kujiraoka Mika goes up against Nasstaja Ibrahimov, a Kazakh wrestler who's half-again as tall and probably at least twice her body mass. Mika tells Ibrahimov "I'll win with a single punch"—and goes down by a TKO in the first grapple. Then Ibrahimov ends up in the hospital with acute renal failure a couple chapters later because Mika punched one of her floating ribs into her left kidney as she was being thrown. Lampshaded by an unnamed audience member who complains, "What is this, Fist of the North Star?"

I guess you put it as a Pyrrhic Victory for her opponent?

Not even a Pyrrhic victory, just a temporary one: After Ibrahimov went to the hospital, Mika was de-eliminated and allowed to advance to the next round.

Disqualification-Induced Victory then?

I dunno, the fact that the very premise of the episode depended on a continuity error makes it seem like it has a point, and the description of Meta Twist makes it sound deliberate, but doesn't explicitly demand it.

Some time ago I made a TF query to find a trope for this example I plan to make:

• BoBoiBoy: In episode 4, Adu Du traps the heroes on his spaceship and activates a Deadly Rotary Fan that sucks them towards it. Ying sees a plug for the fan as she runs in place with her Super-Speed, and turns off the switch at the wall. Adu Du angrily asks his computer assistant why the fan has a switch, to which she replies that it wouldn't work otherwise.

The reply I got said Inventional Wisdom, but I felt it was lacking something to apply there. Only recently did I find Cut the Juice and the related Achilles' Power Cord, the latter of which I think might work best. Any advice please? Thanks in advance. 🙏

Pantheon Wick Cleaning

For Achilles' Power Cord to apply, the power cord must be (or be at risk of being) attacked or pulled out directly. If you're targeting the power source and not the cord, that's Cut the Juice.

Edited by Anarchist2 on Nov 29th 2022 at 9:15:44 PM

I see! Thank you for pointing out the difference to me! I'll go for Cut the Juice then. Thanks again.

Pantheon Wick Cleaning

Reposting.

Graffiti Wall

Still thinking about the former Overprotective Dad example that doesn't fit Boyfriend-Blocking Dad which Wyldchyld wanted to move elsewhere: Dad gives his daughter plenty of space to grieve after her mother's death, doesn't interfere even when she stays out all night and comes home bruised and smelling of smoke, daughter becomes supervillain.

Wyldchyld suggested it could be a downplayed version of Hands-Off Parenting and I'm just not sure if it's too downplayed for that. Also if it can go there, would it be Played for Drama since it sounds like Hands-Off Parenting is usually comedic or at least treated lightly?

Played for Drama sounds fitting.

Graffiti Wall

I found this on Mission: Impossible Film Series:

• Die for Our Ship: Averted with Ilsa, whose almost universally-beloved status among the fandom means that fans don't like to kill her off or demean her in order so that they can pair Ethan off with Benji. Instead, they'll just depict Ilsa and Ethan's relationship as being platonic (the fact that they canonically don't get together for two movies and that their Relationship Upgrade is very subtle largely works out in their favor) and have her be a Shipper on Deck for Ethan/Benji. It's also common for fans to depict Ilsa as being a lesbian so that there's no chances of her getting together with Ethan.

So this is being played with and as such is not an actual example correct?

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread

YMMV can't be played with, so that's a bad example, yeah

Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?

Fan-Preferred Couple.

Regarding the Overprotective Dad example, I'm happy to go with whatever people more familiar with the work thinks works best.

Shall I move it, or did you want to?

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Also, reposting this.

It's querying whether an overly complaining Artistic License – Physics entry is better rewritten for the sub-trope Sufficiently Analysed Magic (and to remove complaining) — the sub-trope wasn't an option back when the entry was originally debated. Suggested rewrite:

• Artistic License – Physics: The explanation given by Penny as to how Ruby's Semblance functions makes no sense on multiple levels. The act of Ruby breaking down her body's molecular bonds would not in itself decrease the mass of those molecules. They would still have the same mass regardless of how far apart they are. Furthermore, even if Ruby was somehow negating her mass then she would not able to exert any force on the world around her while using her speed as she was shown to have done in numerous previous episodes.

Suggested rewrite:

• Sufficiently Analysed Magic: In Volume 8, Penny breaks down how Ruby's Semblance works in a superficially scientific manner rather than treating it like a superpower as many other characters do. As a Robot Girl who is used to describing things in literal ways, she states that Ruby produces extreme velocity by breaking herself down into massless molecules, and should therefore be able to carry multiple people in that state because mass no longer matters. Unlike Penny, Ruby tends to use her abilities instinctively and therefore rarely thinks about how they work; she's initially baffled by Penny's explanation as a result.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 29th 2022 at 9:10:41 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

I was going to move this trope from YMMV.It Girl to VideoGame.It Girl since it's not YMMV, but is it really an example? Not helping matters is that it has a Flame Bait trope (Unfortunate Implications):

• Poe's Law: The game could either be horribly stereotypical and fraught with Unfortunate Implications, or it could be seen as a wonderful Satire gleefully embracing its vapidness to the point that it's So Bad, It's Good. Its habit of encouraging stereotypical behaviors while occasionally hanging lampshades with NPC background chatter may land it as an Indecisive Parody.

Edited by TroperNo9001 on Nov 30th 2022 at 2:03:41 AM

"I just want what everyone else has, that's all."

In any case, UI can be removed for being Flame Bait.

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Flunky Boss has this example from the Mega Man series, which needs to be split and moved if it stays, but does beg a question of whether some of the attacks mentioned count as enemies or projectiles:

• Splash Woman from Mega Man 9, whose singing summons fish that attack Mega Man. There's also Mega Man 3's Snake Man and his Search Snakes as well as Hornet Man and his swarm of bees (also from 9). There's a fine line, though, between "flunky" and "projectile" in these cases; Splash Woman's fish just zoom straight across the screen. Hornet Man's bees will at least chase you around the room.

Splash Woman's fish and Hornet Man's hornets can be destroyed by attacking them, but Snake Man's snakes cannot, making those moreso direct projectiles. Does that exempt any of them from being "Flunky" bosses?

Edited by JankyKong on Nov 29th 2022 at 1:26:32 PM

Ever wanted to see the most inexplicably horrifying intro to a game ever?

(x13) ~nrjxll:

It's still a pretty negative example. It requires you to consider the lax continuity of Star Trek: Voyager as a major problem with the series. If you don't care about "lazy writing" or " the writers not caring about their work" then Meta Twist doesn't happen. But, I could be wrong. I can check the negativity thread if you want.

Valdo

Windmill Scenery:

• Chantelise: The Windmill Bridge is Kill Enemies to Open the exit, due to the eponymous windmill activating and knocking away a boulder.

Edited by Malady on Nov 29th 2022 at 1:26:18 AM

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