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  • Most of the times that Akiko says "I didn't hear anything about this!" tend to be funny moments, given that it tends to accompany silly and/or confusing moments.
  • Whenever Akiko randomly happens to bring up something seemingly trivial and beyond common sense that turns out to be the keyword that Philip and Shotaro need for their investigation. These also double as a Moment of Awesome.
  • Any moment where Akiko brings out her infamous green slipper, meaning that someone (usually Shotaro) is about to get their clock cleaned with it.
  • Some moments in Futo City are so silly that they result in Shotaro outright screaming in disbelief. Really loudly.
  • Before Accel joins the cast, the opening contains brief "fan blade" wipes that show Shotaro's idea of a proper hard-boiled lifestyle... and how things really are around the office with Akiko and Philip.
  • Shotaro in general when he tries to act all "Hard-Boiled." He's obsessed with building up his image as a super-cool detective but more often than not, he comes off as a bit dorky instead.


     Episode 1 and 2: The W Search 
  • Shotaro’s first encounter with Akiko. After going on about what it is to be hard-boiled, he takes a drink of coffee, only to Spit Take when she presents a letter of eviction. Shotaro even goes as far as sniffing the letter in disbelief.
  • Shotaro mistakes Akiko for a middle-schooler, until she says that she's 20.
    Shotaro: For real?
  • Shotaro getting dope slapped with a green slipper by Akiko after his hard-boiled monologue. The first of many!
  • Shotaro's annoyance at having to report to Akiko, who shoves the deed declaring her the landlady in his face. Shotaro melodramatically complains that Akiko is cramping his hard-boiled style as she dances around him with the deed wearing the most trolling smile you can imagine..
  • Akiko, frustrated at being Locked Out of the Loop, putting Shotaro in a headlock when he starts rambling again.
  • When the two avoid the Magma Dopant's attack with the Spider Shock, Akiko causes trouble and jumps down. Shotaro tries to go after her, but has some trouble as he gets uncontrollably pulled upwards.
  • Akiko meets Philip, who tells her that she isn't interesting. Akiko then mentions takoyaki, causing Philip to get epically sidetracked with a comprehensive search on that instead of their case, much to Shotaro's annoyance.
  • During the battle with the T-Rex Dopant, Akiko tries to escape by putting Philip's body into an abandoned patrol car, only to get dragged along behind said Dopant. Shotaro tries to get her to jump into the RevolGarry while both vehicles are in motion. Surprise, surprise, Akiko staunchly refuses.
  • Kirihiko being given the Nazca Memory would be ominous... if Kirihiko wasn't buck-ass naked all throughout.
  • At the end of the arc, Akiko brings in a very new, very brightly-coloured signboard, which causes Shotaro to scream. Then, she declares herself the chief and says that they'll solve every case half-boiled style. Shotaro is not pleased.

     Episode 3 and 4: Don't Lay a Finger on M 
  • Shotaro having the crap scared out of him right in the middle of one of his hard-boiled spiels... by a random dog's bark. Then he gets shoved out of his chair and feet-first into a pillar by Akiko, who orders him to get the dog back to its owner, leaving Shotaro grumbling about a hard-boiled detective being delegated to searching for pets.
  • The Money Gaia Memory has a deliciously hammy way of announcing itself.
    Money Gaia Memory: MONAAAAAAY!
  • Jinno getting hurled into a wall by a starstruck Shotaro when meeting Wakana, which leaves him kissing a poster.
    • For that matter, Shotaro gets her autograph, which leaves him merrily skipping like a schoolgirl.
  • The Money Dopant expresses exasperation at Shotaro and Philip's amount of Gaia Memories.
    Money Dopant: Just how many Gaia Memories do you have?!
    Shotaro: Well, let's see; there one, two— Bah! Never mind that now.
  • Shotaro's idea for winning back their Gaia Memories and the life coins of all the victims? A high stakes game of Old Maid, of all things.
  • After Shotaro and Philip have won their game and are posing cooly, Akiko barges in and knocks them apart.
    Shotaro: I told you not to take the good part!

     Episode 5 and 6: The Girl... A 
  • When the Anomalocaris Dopant's bombardment suddenly stops, the camera switches to a lone Double just standing around in confusion. And then the shot-up sign behind the lectern drops to the ground.
  • An uncaring Philip going around with his butt stuck in a dustbin for almost the entire episode. He nonchalantly brushes it off as something that happened after he fainted from transforming, with Akiko clearly caring more than him.
  • Makura getting shot in the leg, and Jinno overreacting, claiming that he'd "fallen in the line of duty" and saying that they're holding a funeral for him.
  • Philip is completely sidetracked by researching vinegar at the end of the arc, covering a small table in bottles and shot glasses. Shotaro then takes two and lets Akiko have one for some reason. Cue a two-in-one Spit Take.

     Episode 7 and 8: Find the C 
  • Street dancer Dango tries to enter his old school after a Dopant attack has it cordoned by the police—all it takes is Jinno rambling to himself for Dango to slip by him. Then Jinno notices Akiko in the boy's place instead, and what's his first reaction?
    Jinno: "Amazing! A high-school boy turned into a middle-school girl!"
    [Cue well-earned Dope Slap.]
  • There's also the bus scene. Philip and Akiko are pursuing Dango onto a bus. But then Philip tells Akiko to keep track of him. Why? Philip points down, to the Double Driver on his person. In a public bus.

     Episode 9 and 10: The S Terror 
  • Akiko wears the Double Driver, performs a henshin pose with her slipper, and utters Double's "count up your sins!" Catchphrase... the "enemy" in this case being Shotaro, who she throws a reminder over their debt due to Shotaro buying hard-boiled novels which he treats as detective and life manual.
  • Akiko doesn't even bother to hide her identity and mannerism while "going undercover" at the Museum, despite declaring herself as an Ace Detective, by pretending to be one of their maids, puzzling everyone involved. Lampshaded by Wakana who thinks that she's entertaining and insane.
  • Shotaro's expression when Akiko teases him for being half-boiled for apparently not improving upon learning from "the chief" (in this case herself).

     Episode 11 and 12: The Vengeful V 
  • Akiko calls Shotaro an "idiot who never catches a cold", but Philip instead takes it literally and uses it as a new topic for him to learn, not knowing that it's an idiom.
  • After getting the result of his investigation of said idiom, Philip finds a new topic.. which is about idiots enjoying high places.. unintentionally offending Shotaro as he's in the roof of the black SUV which contains the Virus Dopant. Philip then guesses that he's currently in a high place.
  • Santa-chan gives Shotaro a present... which are medicines to prevent him catching a cold, offending Shotaro further.

     Episode 15 and 16: The F Afterglow 
  • Philip overworks himself and fainted with boxing training after listening to Wakana's radio airing. Shotaro ordered Akiko to bring water (meaning a glass or a cup of water for Philip to drink]] but the latter brought a bucket of water. Akiko filled it too much and cannot carry it well, which ended up spilling on Shotaro's face. Shotaro's response?
    Shotaro: This office is full of nothing but runaway trains!
  • Philip "taking over" as Double to keep things diplomatic with Jinno even as Shotaro wants to clock him for his flip-flopping opinion of Double.
  • At the end of the episode, Philip tries to get things back on track after wearing himself out on his boxing training... by overeating and making himself fat. Shotaro's scream is hilarious.

     Episode 17 and 18: Farewell, N! 
  • Shotaro was mad as hell that Akiko didn't catch his falling body as Double went FangJoker, but Phillip grabs Shotaro's hand and forces it down before they get to kicking the Bird Dopant's ass.
  • The Barber Shop. Oh, tropes, the barber shop.
  • Shotaro and Akiko's attempt at funny faces...are actually funny!
    Shotaro: The Daruma doll's face... When it fell over. And when you weren't looking... it turned into a bobblehead Daruma!
    Akiko: What're you talking about... Check it out, I'm Mamiya Rinzo!

     Episode 19 and 20: The I Doesn't Stop 
  • When Ryu goes to tell Philip to do a lookup. Philip is wearing a St. Bernard costume, while listening to Healing Princess. Shotaro is...pretty mortified. Because of this, Shotaro officially banned Healing Princess for Philip.
    • The same episode is also not only the debut of the secondary Rider, but his motorcycle. Specifically, he is the motorcycle. It's funnier than it sounds on paper.

     Episode 21 and 22: The T That Came Back 

     Episode 23 and 24: The L on the Lips 
  • "The Two of us are a single Kamen Singer!" Doubles as a Moment of Awesome when they get into it by singing one of the main battle themes.
    • Shotaro first reaction when seeing Philips the second time, was volunteering to sing, with the former. Shotaro stood but try to excuse himself by covering his eyes with a headphone.That did not work at all. Not only that, Makki despite not liking Shotaro on stage, actually likes it. Don't forget the part where Shotaro's mask came off during the live footage.
    • As eerie the background music was for all Dopants, when Liar Dopant introduced himself for the second time in episode 23, he came rolling in a wheelbarrow.
    • That particular arc got in several good ones. Two notable moments are the reveal of just how epically Jimmy fails at music, and Shotaro commented that he is embarrassed while chasing Jimmy across a beach during the sunset, complete with slow-mo, relaxing music, flying doves, and Lampshade Hanging.
      • The city people's duck-and-cover reactions before said singing starts is both this and Harsher in Hindsight now.
      • In a Freeze-Frame Bonus during Jimmy's performance montage in Fuuuto Idol, even Wakana (who is watching it from her mansion) is one of the unlucky audience members who have to hear his singing on live TV.
  • Akiko is shocked to find out she was disguised as a male bodyguard while Philip is disguised as Wakana.
    Akiko: I see. So she was switched with Philip-kun? (Beat) So... EH!? Hey! I didn't hear anything about this!In this situation, this should be my role!
    Shotaro: Oh no, I said, "Let Akiko do it," but...
    Ryuu: I was against it.
    Akiko: Huh?
    Ryuu: The role's beyond you, chief.
    Akiko: R... Ryuu-kun... (collapses to the floor in shock as a spotlight shines on her) "The girl is Philip-kun... If Philip-kun is a girl then I'm a boy... If Philip-kun is a boy then I'm a boy..."
    • Her feminity takes another hit.
    Akiko: (catches the unconscious Philip) Oh... he really looks like a princess! (Beat) WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

     Episode 25 and 26: The P's Game 
  • The living doll that attacks people throughout the episode is partly Nightmare Fuel, but it's mostly Nightmare Retardant on account of the fact that the episode revolves around Akiko, along with the doll's (intentionally) dreadful animation and utterly ridiculous "attacks".
    • Accel Vs the doll, with the latter in a car. The fight starts with both of them revving their engines before the doll drove forward, only for Accel to bait it.
      • The doll gets back at him by dismantling the car, throwing doors, then the tires, provoking Accel who charged forward only get sprayed by a hose and gets his legs lassoed by it, the doll slid underneath Accel and pulled the hose making him fall and began pulling him away.
  • Later on, Makura ends up on the receiving end of the doll's wrath. At first, he doesn't notice it, only to slowly turn around with it being right next to his face. Makura's scream at this point is fucking hilarious.

     Episode 27 and 28: The D Was Seen 
  • In order to find out where Ryu has run off to, Akiko decides to ask Makura herself... by employing the Jack Bauer Interrogation Technique with a pair of slippers. The ridiculous face she makes at the end is just the cherry on it.
    Akiko's Slippers: Spill it!
  • "Hey... When we do this, you have to say 'Rider Twin Maximum'."
    • Special mention should go to Terui going on a Shotaro-like shout after being kissed by Lily Shirogane for the first time. Hey, anytime The Comically Serious breaks loose should count.
    • Also from that serial, Philip punching Ryu in the face before helping him up, calling back to when Shotaro did the same to him back in "The W Search".

     Episode 29 and 30: The Nightmarish H 
  • During Shotaro's dream, the Double Driver inexplicably uses wooden tablets instead of USB drives to transform. Also a CMoA when kabuki face painting appears on Shotaro's face.
    Double Driver: Shippuu! Kirifuda!
  • In Akiko's dream, she ends up transforming into Double herself. Hilarity Ensues
  • At the beginning of the story arc, Ryu had a dream of his little sister's marriage... to Mikio.
  • The Nightmare Dopant turning the Hard Boilder in Shotaro's dream into a bicycle.
  • Akiko stayed up all night watching Edo period drama. Shotaro comments how boring Edo Period story was and will sleep within 5 minutes after watching. When he started watching the interest get over him and he continue watching. He realised its already morning after Akiko dope slap him and when the rooster crowing in the meaning.
  • While the conversation was serious, it was rather funny to see Philip and Shotaro transforming into W... while sleeping!

     Episode 31 and 32: The B Carried On The Wind 
  • Isamu's Dope Slap to Shotaro with a finger snap as a Running Gag. Particularly the part where Shotaro can't keep his voice down while sneaking on him.
  • While Double's trouble in battle is caused by a power imbalance between Shotaro and Phillip, Terui assumes Shotaro being sloppy.

     Episode 33 and 34: Y's Tragedy 
  • Shotaro tries to look for Yuko's (later revealed to be Yukie Sudou) cat by using one of Sokichi's advices to him where he had to act like the person you're looking for.. and he does so by literally meowing and prowling like a cat. Then Yuko subscribes into that theory too and follows what Shotaro's doing.

     Episode 35 and 36: Beyond R 
  • As Saeko tries to shave Isaka, Ryuubei literally shows up out of nowhere, and wordlessly taking the shaving razor to shave Isaka himself.

     Episode 37 and 38: Client X 
  • Watcherman encountered the villain of the week, a goth woman who likes to eat pickled grasshopper. It's awkward enough from being fed one but being forced to give away information to avoid getting electrocuted is hilarity. Lucky enough Ryu arrived but the woman just electrocute Watcherman with her electric boots.
  • Philip had trouble deciding whether to flee with Wakana or stay with Shotaro and Akiko. His expressed feelings about Akiko and Shotaro were his family is Heartwarming Moments but what spoils everything was that he also cannot ignore Wakana either, causing Akiko to Dope Slap Philip for his indecision.
    Akiko's Slipper: Which one is it?!

     Episode 39 and 40: The Likelihood of the G 
  • The Gene Dopant has an... inventive way of disarming Shotaro.
    Phillip: Calm down, Shotaro.
    Shotaro: But my hand is a COW!
    • Before that, Gene Dopant splash some spiky shurikens at the incoming W Cyclone Joker and after changing to Heat Joker. Shotaro's first action when successfully approached him? He smacks the Gene Dopant's head while scolding like a parent/teacher before strangling the MOTW's neck with his right fiery hand.
  • Shotaro and Akiko are forbidden to enter by the manager as the latter is worried they might chase away their customers, this comes back to bite him later when the two of them bought tickets to watch a movie.
  • It is normal for a movie to take 1 to 2 hours to finish. That also includes with having a sequel or so. But 7 hours 20 minutes for a very boring movie and yet unfinished? Nope. That's really vexing for the sane Shotaro but not Akiko.
  • Ryu's reaction to being ordered to kiss Ai to get a reaction from Toru.
    Akiko: We're changing the next scene to a kiss between Jessica and the scarecrow.
    Ryu: * horrified* What?!
    Akiko: We need to see if we get a reaction from Toru-kun and how he feels about Ai-san.
    Ryu: I'm pretty sure the director said he wasn't romantically interested in her.
    Akiko: That's what guys always say when they're in love! Now, make a break through! * beeps from Trial form appear* Like...boom! Smooch the heck out of her!
    Ryu: Despair is waiting for me at the finish line. (Runs like hell)
  • At the end of this arc, Ryu went back to the Narumi Detective Agency, apologizing to Akiko for running away like this a while ago. With the gravitas of someone about to commit seppuku, he laid down a catalog of rom-com DVDs and declared that:
    Ryu: Do not question me! I've made my decision, Aki-P! I can't forgive myself for running back then. I've done my research. I will accept any kiss scene! This time I'll shake it off! No... (grabbing Akiko while beeps from Trial Form sound off again) Please let me shake it...
    • Akiko then tries to shake him off, Shotaro attempting to assist, but the Ryu just grabs HIM, then we cut to Phillip with a comical kiss sound effect.

     Episode 41 and 42: J's Labyrinth 
  • Episode 41 and 42. Jinno Mikio is not easily fooled but skilled in being fooled. It's funny for the fact that he falls for any trick even thought its repetitive. On the other hand, it is heartwarming because anyone would feel guilty and stop tricking him later because he made you go along with your lies.
  • Episode 42 ends with Shotaro fooling Jinno by saying that there is a yeti. As he and Akiko believe him to be fooled again, they feel a chill... and turn around to see an actual yeti standing nearby. They both scream and faint.

     Episode 43 and 44: The O Chain 
  • Some of the fortune teller's reaction when the heroes are looking for Fukesaseya. One fortune teller dismisses the question to talk about chi in a Large Ham way, another one accidentally offends Akiko (and gets a Dope Slap) when he refers to racoon dog for her past life, and another one talks about Akiko's future mate, pointing to Terui.
  • Shotaro's antics as an old man such as his need to be massaged or that he thinks a lovely, peaceful afternoon is hard-boiled. He almost earns a Dope Slap from Akiko for the latter, but she then stops herself and slipper slaps herself instead.

     Episode 45 and 46: What K Needs 
  • While looking for the treasure underground, Akiko brings a helpful tool with her. A pair of (somehow functional)...
    • And when they point the way to the treasure, Akiko just kind of stands behind Shotaro happily flailing the slippers around while he digs.

Out of Canon Moments

  • From the Kamen Rider arcade game Ganbaride, just three words: Joker Big Slipper.
  • In the Gaia Memory Encyclopedia special (created because the Hyper Battle Video, which usually discussed various aspects of the series, forgot to do just that) Philip suddenly has Laser-Guided Amnesia and forgets everything related to Gaia Memories, leaving it up to Shotaro to help him recall what they. Then they get to the Trigger Memory.
    Philip: I remember, Shotaro!
    Shotaro: Really?!
    Philip: It's really fun to press it a bunch of times! Look!
    • In general, Philip seems to take great joy in dicking around with the Gaia Memories.
    • Also, the reason for Philip's Amnesia was because of he slipped on one of Shotaro's extra hard boiled eggs from cooking contest earlier. Philip berates Shotaro for it, and Shotaro starts to run away... only to slip on said egg.
  • Speaking of the Hyper Battle Video, Ryu using the Engine Blade to cut broccoli.
    • And Shotaro taking his "hard-boiled" shtick to its logical conclusion. Let's just say it's not so applicable in practice.
  • The last of the Hardboiled Delusion Diaries involves Akiko, Ryu and Phillip wondering what it would be like if they were all "hard boiled" - which basically amounts to them doing their best Shotaro impression. That's just the half of it - there's also the fact that Renn Kiriyama (the real Shotaro) is trying his darndest not to laugh.
    • There's also Terror casually tossing Philip, Ryu, and Akiko into his terror pool all the while laughing maniacally while constantly having to push back up his giant headpiece, all the while Ryu and Philip switch roles and Akiko acts as Shotaro, hilariously bad acting ensues mainly because it's a delusion.
      • On the subject of Terror, when he appears his head is tilted back so he has to pull it back up, he casually tosses the Terror Memory away and then tosses the obviously stuffed Mick away.
      • Not only that, but when Terror makes his entrance, he writes an Evil Laugh on Philip's blackboard. In at least three different alphabets.
    • The Hardboiled Delusion Diary about Akiko as Shotaro's little sister is pretty funny, too. Especially when their father, Shinkuro Isaka shows up in his Dopant form.
    • Going further back, one is about Shotaro imagining what it would be like if he was a cop, and Ryu was a detective. We see that the agency is calmer and better with Ryu in charge, but we haven't at this point seen how Shotaro's life as a cop is. And we never do, because Shotaro has imagined himself as Santa-chan instead. And he tries to save face by giving them a gift, only to instead produce a pistol from his sack. And then, the Bird Dopant shows up as a cop, tries to arrest "Santaro-chan," and gets shot and dies, with Akiko, Philip and Ryu mourning the death of "Officer Bird."
  • In the Double Forever movie:
    Double (Shotaro): Now, count up your crimes!
    Eternal: There are too many to count!note 
    • From earlier in W Forever - once Shotaro gets to Futo Tower, Gozo whacks him with his bo, then he flexes with an accompanying cobra hiss. What does Shotaro do?He mock-flexes as well with a hiss of his own!Bonus points for "Come on, MACHO MAN!"
  • Everyone is arguing over each other for the final Gaia Memory. If you stop at one scene, there's a Freeze-Frame Bonus of some people arguing over a jump drive.
  • In Movie War Megamax you have the entire scene where Shotaro meets Gentaro, and if it weren't for Eiji those two would've shouted for the rest of the movie.
    • More specifically, Shotaro's initial reaction to Gentaro is thinking that he's obnoxious, and Philip snarks that the two are peas in a pod. Shotaro's offended until Gentaro says that he's out to beat the villain who made his friends cry, and Shotaro does a 180 and calls Gentaro a good kid, and the two shout "RIGHT ON!" "YES SIR!" at each other ad infinitum until Eiji interrupts (and watching closely you can see Philip trying very hard not to laugh in the background).
  • Meta Moment: After the Final Live Show, the actors are getting introduced on stage for the talk show. When Gong Teyu, Jun's actor, makes his way on stage, after posing for the audience, he drops his briefase before continuing over to his seat. Masaki Suda (Philip) picks it up and gives it back, much to the amusement of the rest of the cast.
  • Accel Movie - Akiko expresses her worry about Ryuu not addressing herself Akiko but Chief. Shotaro looked down on it. Akiko responded by slapping Shotaro with her usual slipper on him. Philip just watch, presumably wondering that Akiko should married the man currently in front of her if she desires so. Lily makes a magic trick to summon a divorce form and gave it to Akiko. Shotaro commented Illusions. It's Amazing!. However, Akiko isn't pleased at all and Dope Slap Shotaro again.
    • Akiko found Ryuu in the middle of his case, who was trying to rescue Aoi. She got mad because Aoi addresses Ryuu so casually while whining about getting divorced, depending on the situation.
      • In the end, Philip suggested that everyone except Ryuu to address Akiko by her name. Ryuu isn't pleased, acting like a Boyfriend-Blocking Dad for addressing Akiko so casually.
    • Jinno Mikio declare his team, with Makura of course as narcissists.
      • If you notice early hand, Makura had a haircut, which was worth laughing for. Mikio only realised this in the end after Makura make fun of Mikio that the former did not want to leave the hospital because of a beautiful nurse.
     Double Half and Core Movie with OOO 
  • We see Shotaro and Philip fighting a Dinosaur Yummy and later Terui come and fight it without transforming. No one knows the reason why until... Akiko came running in a wedding dress. She's not afraid of being hit but rather furious of Terui and Shotaro for not taking her wedding with Terui seriously, which were caused by the two riders going out to fight. Apart from giving a Dope Slap on Terui, she puts Shotaro in a headlock because he promised to walk on the aisle with her in Soukichi's stead. Then we had this:
    Shotaro: It cannot be helped! We're Kamen Rider!
    Akiko: *eyes widen and not convinced at all* KAAAMEN RAIIIIDAAAA?!
  • Afterwards, Terui warned Shotaro and Philip that she has Kamen Rider Allergy. Akiko then revealed (with Trial sound effect playing) that she confiscated Terui's Accel Memory and Driver, claiming NO MORE KAMEN RIDER!!.
  • Despite being a real hard-boiled detective, Soukichi had his stubborn side which are funny:
    1. He tries to make coffee by roasting its beans above flames and filter, which did not work out well because he just followed his instinct rather than following a recipe formula. And then we got to this when his partner Matsu gave him a recipe formula that he had lookup for:
    Soukichi: Matsu, you're the ultimate partner, but I don't want your help in coffee *throws the recipe formula on the work table* because -
    Matsu: Coffee is my partner for life, before I met you. is what you like to say. I know it. *heads over to the door with multiple knobs to throw the rubbish, which unbeknownst to him, Shroud was hiding in there.*
    Soukichi: Matsu! I always told you not to touch that door or ghost will come out! *Cue Matsu mockingly whistled that there was a ghost*
    2. He got hired by Melissa to be her bodyguard. While Matsu drove them to the theater, he gave Soukichi notes that the former written for him, which the title is 'How to become a Bodyguard, 71 Tips'. Soukichi's reaction? Open one of the pages, read it briefly, then stared at Matsu, who sneered in response before Soukichi just threw the notes to the back seat, much to Matsu's disappointment.
    3. He goes into the room Shroud was hiding after coming back from the theater. Shroud definitely heard Soukichi said early hand and sarcastically referring herself as the ghost.
    4. This exchange between Matsu and Soukichi in a public library.
    Matsu: You care for them at first, but in the end you leave the beautiful girls behind. You're a sinful man. Oh right, why don't you count up the people whom you've brought to tears?
    Soukichi: I'll count it next time. *It becomes Harsher in Hindsight because of what happened later on*