Been a few days and this is unanimous. Call?
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Sure; Crowner called at 20:0 in favour of [Define the trope as "a royal/noble/upperclass person with an ice/winter theme, regardless of whether or not they have an ice/winter-themed title"?].
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Now, because we've expanded the definition, we will need to revise the description, but we don't have to correct the wicks (but a wick cleanup never hurts).
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Drawing a lot from Twiddler's previous post, I've started up Winter Royal Lady.
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I think a lot of examples are to some extent expies of The Snow Queen and that should be mentioned somewhere.
It's pretty common for these characters to be the Anthropomorphic Personification of winter and I think that should be mentioned, and the An Ice Person aspect made a little more prominent.
Edited by naturalironist on Jan 24th 2021 at 3:01:07 PM
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
Okay, incorporated that.
The sandbox description is pretty gender-neutral, save for a mention of a Pimped-Out Dress and the Snow Queen. Should it stay that way or should we make it more feminine-leaning?
Nearly all the examples are female, though this may be a function of the gendered title, so perhaps that's a good idea. Plus blue and white are often seen as feminine colors, and femininity associated with coldness and mystery.
I added a "compare" section with related tropes. Feel free to modify/remove if need be.
Edited by naturalironist on Jan 25th 2021 at 1:05:51 PM
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
How does the sandbox look now?
I wonder if a "Elemental Royal Title" trope might be worth pursuing.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
It might be the lack of exposure, but I don't know of any royal titles that aren't cold/ice or heat/sun related. If you can dig up some water/ocean, wood/plant, or metal/air titles, then a TLP may be able to find others.
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Yeah, it's worth a TLP at least.
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Probably at least worth an independent TLP. Avatar: The Last Airbender did Fire Lord/Lady and Earth King/Queen, but that's the only non-fire/ice one I can think of right now.
- Adventure Time: Fire Princess?
Oh. Not Fire / Ice...
- The Prince Of Death
- Tales of the Five Hundred Kingdoms: The Queen of Copper Mountain?
- King of the Wind
- The Runelords: The Earth King
- Light And Dark The Awakening Of The Mageknight: King of the Light?
- The Light Princess: Although, this is for "A Princess Without Gravity"...
King of Beasts trope?
Edited by Malady on Jan 28th 2021 at 6:19:04 AM
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I don't think Earth Nation King or Queen of the Copper Mountain count (because it is the land that is named after the element, not ruling over all Earth or all Copper), but King of the Wind definitely suggests that this could be valid. Post a link to the draft in this thread when one of you make it, but for now we need to refocus onto cleanup.
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The Mountain King is also quite commonly seen in fiction. Sometimes used to refer to the king of dwarves or other mountain-dwelling creatures such as trolls, goblins and the like.
That seems rather different (mountain as a domain, not an element), but I agree; let's focus on cleaning this one and save that discussion for the TLP.
Bumping. Is Sandbox.Winter Royal Lady good?
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
The part about blue dye could use some work; that info came from this bit on True Blue Femininity:
(In the Mediterranean, it was also a sign of high rank, as the dye/paint color had to come from indigo, woad, or lapis lazuli which must be imported from a great distance and was therefore quite expensive.)
which describes it as a region-specific thing.
Wikipedia's article on Blue
describes it being associated with both the working class and nobility at different times, and also distinguishes between blue in painting and blue in clothing:
In the art and life of Europe during the early Middle Ages, blue played a minor role. The nobility wore red or purple, while only the poor wore blue clothing, coloured with poor-quality dyes made from the woad plant.
King Louis IX of France, better known as Saint Louis (1214–1270), became the first king of France to regularly dress in blue. This was copied by other nobles. […] Blue had come from obscurity to become the royal colour.
While blue was an expensive and prestigious colour in European painting, it became a common colour for clothing during the Renaissance.
Unfortunately that's all the research I have time for at this moment.
ETA: On second thought, maybe it could just be summed up as "blue has been associated with the nobility in various times and places" without getting into the details.
Edited by Twiddler on Feb 4th 2021 at 3:28:16 AM
...Yeah.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
We can make an analysis for the more in-depth explanation.
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Swapped in and about to cutlist the sandbox. EDIT: I also noted the expansion on the discussion page.
Say you're a queen or a princess, and you find that the Ermine Cape Effect isn't giving you enough of an aura of majesty. You want to seem mysterious, exotic, perhaps even a bit dangerous.
Well, unless you live near the equator, the solution is simple. Choose a word closely related to winter. "Snow" and "Ice" are the most common, but others will do, as long as it evokes the feeling of the cold north. Then make one of your titles "The [winter word] [Queen/Princess]". It doesn't matter what your actual rank or title is. Just use that format.
Then make sure your wardrobe consists of mostly shades of blue, silver, blueish purple, and especially white (but not pink, even if Princesses Prefer Pink). A Pimped-Out Dress and Pimped-Out Cape are obvious choices, but you could also have a Happy Holidays Dress, a Sexy Santa Dress, or even a Fur Bikini. Fur trim (white or gray), sapphires, diamonds, and/or silver on your dresses also adds a wintry touch. An Ice Palace wouldn't hurt.
Now watch how everyone speaks of you, with this title. You're now even more incredible in their eyes. You're like some kind of spirit or goddess to them, even if this won't actually give an indication of your personality. You can be good, evil or anything in between. You also could either have super powers (especially using Silver) or just be a Muggle. They won't really know, and that's just the way you want it.
This is also why in holiday festivals and pageants, the winner is usually given this kind of title rather than one that is related to Christmas or any other holiday. These titles are much cooler.
Note that kings and princes can do this, but it's rare. (If the king does do this, he's usually one half of a Ruling Couple with the queen.) Mere nobility doing this is rarer still.
The Japanese Yuki-onna has been influenced by this trope and is often depicted as royalty.
Despite the name, Defrosting Ice Queen isn't related to this, as that's about personality, and this is about titles—although with sympathetic Winter Ladies, it's not uncommon to have both tropes.
Compare Ice Queen, An Ice Person, Evil Is Deathly Cold, An Ice Suit, and Water Is Womanly.
Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 7th 2021 at 3:06:12 AM
Crown Description:
Winter Royal Lady is explicitly about titles, but sees great misuse for "a high-status person with a winter theme".
Attached the crowner.
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