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    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
    • Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
    • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

  • Preparing to write:
    • First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
    • Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For Pokémon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#76: Apr 2nd 2014 at 6:46:50 AM

I think this is something you cannot directly look at the series the characters come from. Yes, there are plenty of characters in LOL, but comparing how many characters from there are already in to how many characters remain is not gonna help.

And because I can be an ass, you forgot Eiki, Koishi Kokoro and ZUN himself. There was also once Namazu, but I removed him because I didn't think he was the best candidate for the got of catastrophes. And there seems something about Remilia, but I don't know what position to add her (maybe Immortal Immaturity as she is pretty much a over 500 year old child who tries to act as an adult).

You know, I might put up the mock portfolio for Yagyuu up sometime later to see if she can replace Kogasa and she can get another position.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#77: Apr 2nd 2014 at 11:02:06 AM

If we want a representative for fear, why not the Bat Man Scarecrow, the guy behind "Fear Toxin"?

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#78: Apr 2nd 2014 at 11:25:15 AM

Hmm, that sounds like a good idea. I mean, with the whole "Fear Toxin Incident", you think the guy who made the thing would have a shot here?

But anyway, I decided to do the Yagyuu profile now.

Yagyuu, Goddess of Umbrellas

  • Symbol: A giant squid a top of a oilpaper umbrella.
  • Theme Music: Hidden Fighting Spirit and Believe in Oneself
  • Lesser Goddess
  • Alignment: Lawful Good
  • Portfolio: Combat Umbrellas, The Stoic, Skillful for Her Age Summoning a Giant Squid, Eyepatches, Shinobis, Rain-element
  • Domains: Umbrellas, Shinobis.
  • Allies: The rest of the students of Henzou Academy (especially Hibari), The Kraken, Kasumi
  • Opposes: Orochi
  • Originally the position of goddess of Umbrellas was held by Kogasa Tatara before one day Yagyuu challenged into a battle for the position. Yagyuu showed a much better demonstration of fighting with umbrella, causing Kogasa lose her position and have her be the new goddess of Umbrellas.
  • Has been trying to advance her summoning technique in order to summon The Kraken if all possible. She has been unable to do it so far, but she is getting there.
  • Whatever you do, do not harm Hibari, one of her mortal friends! She will rush to project her and if something will happen to her, she will make sure the person will pay.
  • Due of a creature bearing a similar name, she opposes Orochi.
  • Where she is willing to work with her, some gods wondered why she isn't as close to Kasumi as a fellow kunoichi would. She went on a long explanation on that she is a shinobi, not a kunoichi and why, and left it there.

So what you think? Does this look good? I was thinking that Kogasa would become the Goddess of Surprises in House of Mentalism or something.

edited 2nd Apr '14 12:00:17 PM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
IndirectActiveTransport You Give Me Fever from Chicago Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
You Give Me Fever
#79: Apr 2nd 2014 at 11:29:58 AM

I did state there were a lot of represented series with many representatives already. That was not even disapproval for Fiddlesticks, I welcome more "evil" gods at this point, it was just for future reference, lets not get too many before its too late.

I have six spots thought out for professional wrestlers originating or heavily featured in the WWE, but I'm going to see if in the time think about it if there are not Hustle/AJPW/CMLL/Chikara/RoH/Shimmer wrestlers I might be forgetting(collectively I have six, one for each rather than 6 for one). Some level of unfamiliarity or Crack Fic seems necessary, the ponies are a good example. Don't want too many of them either but they really break the mold.

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
Jinxmenow Ghosts N' Stuff Remix from everywhere you look, everywhere you look Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
Ghosts N' Stuff Remix
#80: Apr 2nd 2014 at 11:58:00 AM

I totally second the idea that Asuras Wrath has too many representatives, especially in the main pantheon. I'm honestly against having more than one person from a single series in the main pantheon, honestly. (Haruhi and Kyon might get a pass because they're so iconic) Seriously, three main gods. Just scrap the other two and keep Asura.

"Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy."
magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#81: Apr 2nd 2014 at 3:10:05 PM

The issue with representatitves is best resolved by the works influence. Obviously, more influential works would get larger representation. For example:

1. Dragon Ball is entirely justified in its representation due to how the series is basically the father of modern anime and manga.

2. When They Cry is pretty justified due to it being the flagship of modern Japanese horror and modern mystery novels. That and arguably being the Trope Codifier for Troll a very recent villain archetype that's been gaining a lot of popularity (remember that Higurashi had trolls as well, two of them actually but one is influenced by a Hate Plague and is ONLY a troll under that circumstance]].

3. Legitimately surprised that Super Man doesn't nearly as much representation due to how that series is the father of comic books.

4. Bat Man presence is justified due to being highly influencial let alone the Trope Namer AND Trope Codifier to a lot of tropes.

5. Blaz Blue and Disgaea qualify under genre influence, mainly for being responsible for the revival of their respective genres.

As a note: we at the very least need both the hero and preferably the most iconic villain in a respective series. The reason Zenon was put in (the problem with the narrative of Disgaea and Nippon Ichi games in general is the lack of a highly memorable villain) was due to her infamy traumatizing fans, which makes her THE villain NIS fans remember. The only NIS villain that comes close to being memorable is Xenolith due to his role as Tragic Villain and for being infamous for being the most difficult final boss in the franchise due to a gimmick that catches players with their pants down, (yes, he's even harder than Lamington was).

ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#82: Apr 2nd 2014 at 3:28:38 PM

That's not an ass move, TPPR. That's a legit reminder that not even I have the perfect memory. GJ.

Supes pretty much got their important guys there. Supergirl, Lex Luthor, Darkseid. While Supes IS the father of comic books, the more well-known ones tend to be from Batman, so I think the Supes representatives are sufficient (unless you'd suggest Lois Lane somewhere)

I'd add up to magnum's explanations that Touhou and both League Of Legends + DOTA deserve their entries due to influence. Touhou sparked the indie game popularity and 'all-girls' cast setting, whereas DOTA pretty much codified or makes the MOBA genre before League popularized it and makes the genre known to the mass and becomes a genre that is 'most played in the world', with DOTA 2 catching up. So yeah, that's my two cents to explain that they deserve it.

magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#83: Apr 2nd 2014 at 8:53:47 PM

Interesting side note: DOTA and league of legends came out of War Craft 3. Tower defense came out of Star Craft.

Back to the point being discussed, I'm legitimately surprised that Warcraft and Star Craft have such little representation (much of the stuff from Warcraft is from the MMO rather than the RTS games) given how they're the father and codifier to the RTS genre.

I'd say Mega Man is justified due to being the inventor of "free ordered" stage choice and being the codifier for the "heavy combat" sub type of 2d platformer as opposed to exploration based or more platforming based ones like metroid and mario.

War Hammer and War Hammer 40000 are the flag ships of table top gaming, so their presence is well deserved. War Hammer (fantasy) barring cross game entries (Chaos gods, Mork and Gork) is poorly represented though.

ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#84: Apr 3rd 2014 at 12:15:23 AM

Warcraft itself has become such a massive lore stuff that they're mostly referring to those lores, not just the MMO.

But it brought something that I discussed before and yet I never got an answer: For the Pantheon, I was thinking that there was a plot done by Thrall as he looked how his lore got destroyed for nothing but "OMG MULTIPLAYER BOSS BATTLES WE SHALL DESTROY THE LORE SO YOU HAVE REASONS TO FIGHT THESE LEGENDS". Such as the derailment of the likes of first his friend Jaina, and then even some like Illidan Stormrage. Characters that used to be cool in the RTS era, until because of some things in MMO, they receive heavy Character Derailment. And witnessing Garrosh becoming a Karma Houdini and go back in time to form the Iron Horde and see the possibility of his old friend Grom becoming... well, that, was his last straw. But in the same time, it inspired him.

So he was testing if the Pantheon could take entries of a character based on what they are in the past, their prime before shits hit the fan. I'm considering that he's one of the co-masterminds of the rise of Mortal Kombat 9 characters enslaved by Quan Chi, so he could make a test bed: If he could retrieve some Gods from Azeroth based on what they are in the past... before all these MMO business ruined the lore...

What do you think?

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#85: Apr 3rd 2014 at 7:13:32 AM

Honestly, I don't think that will be that bad of an idea. In my opinion, at least.

You know, something about this forum setting just doesn't feel easy on me. Maybe its that stuff can easily get left behind when discussing about stuff.

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#86: Apr 3rd 2014 at 7:27:13 AM

Well the old system is nearly breaking the system so we'll have to make due with this suggestion from Fast Eddie.

Anyway, Nineball Cirno, I see that you decided to just go for Fiddlesticks AND Sinestro. Well, I'm... just gonna have to put some portfolio on Fiddlesticks.

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#87: Apr 3rd 2014 at 7:51:06 AM

Some one up in the thread suggested Scarecrow from Batman to replace As Nodt. Where I don't know if having both him and Sinestro be together, it does sound like a valid idea.

PS: I decided to put the Yagyuu think to the Weapon House Discussion page so that it won't be left behind here.

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#88: Apr 3rd 2014 at 9:02:22 AM

Aren't we forgetting Friendship is Magic? Isn't that a revival/reboot of sorts for western television as a whole? Let's not forget that Madoka Magica is justified as the deconstruction of a Magical Girl anime. To add up Magnum's statement, Hokuto No Ken is justified for being the grandfather of modern anime/manga.

That aside... There's always addition for more Houses. I want to add in the House of Healing, but now that I've thought about it, I'm conflicted whether to create it or not.

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#89: Apr 3rd 2014 at 9:15:45 AM

Guys, we need more genre gods. All we have right now is the Man With No Name, and he's not very fleshed out.

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#90: Apr 3rd 2014 at 10:08:34 AM

I agree with Jinxmenow, but I would also like to raise the point that it's difficult to pin-point true leaders of genres without causing debates and arguments. If you say that X should be the representative of the Y genre, people will argue and say that every other letter of the alphabet would be a better example.

Also, I'm concerned that Beavis and Butthead are not located in the pantheon, considering those two idiots defined the nineties culture in an ironic and terrific manner.

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#91: Apr 3rd 2014 at 1:40:39 PM

[up] Well, like The Nostalgia Chick said, Beavis And Butthead may have satirized the 90's, but Daria made it human. And even moreso, I'd say that Kurt Cobain was the true definitive figure of the 90's.

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#92: Apr 3rd 2014 at 3:09:15 PM

[up][up] Valid point. However, we can approximate the event in question.

For example, one could validly argue Final Fantasy Tactics Advance revived the SRPG genre. More sensible folks tend to give co-credit to tactics advance and Disgaea since they came out in the same year around similar times. However, history has been kinder to the Disgaea series. The same argument can be made with Street Fighter 4 vs Blaz Blue for the same issue with mutual timing.

BTW, Bat Man Scarecrow was my idea. His representation is especially poignant given a certain major story arc brewing ("Fear Toxin Incident") and the giant cluster -redacted- of plot lines that has grown and mutated from that one unfinished story arc. Its quickly turning into the Final Crisis of pantheon stories.

Unfortunately, I have an idea for The Fallen that relates to what Chris X was talking about.

Death Wing as God of Xen Syndrome. This is the result of such a high profile beloved villain getting one of the worst send offs ever. Made worse as it was supposed to the climatic battle of Cataclysim and the final battle against Death Wing was one of THE most hotly anticipated battles in the Warcraft series.

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#93: Apr 4th 2014 at 3:32:10 AM

Since no one has said anything about Yagyuu, I will give it one more day to let it hatch. If no one objects before that, I will add her in and move Kogasa somewhere else. If some one gives their word to do it, I will do it right away.

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#94: Apr 4th 2014 at 7:52:43 AM

Well, um, what was the position Kogasa had previously? Just umbrellas? I just recalled that she also has 'Surprise'...

Also if you don't mind, I want to suggest a possible new House, but it doesn't have to be implemented ASAP. I'm speaking of the House of 'Origin'. Different from the House of Travel, this is a house about Gods regarding on where they originate. Something like 'Chinese Girl' (China) or 'Brooklyn Rage' (New York). What came to mind so far is just Alex (Brooklyn Rage), Saxton Hale (Awesome Aussie), Inigo Montoya (Dashing Hispanic), etc.

What do you think of the notion? We may even help out reduce overcrowding the Combat House (and possibly Heroes/Emotion/Personality) too.

edited 4th Apr '14 8:00:37 AM by ChrisX

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#95: Apr 4th 2014 at 8:02:01 AM

Just Umbrellas unless she has lost the Surprises somewhere in the past. I was suggesting that if Yagyuu would replace Kogasa, she would get the position of goddess of Surprises. Though what house who that belong to? Mentalism?

On the House of Origins, maybe call it House of Nationality, and it might fit more (that doesn't mean that Bandit Keith, the God of Nationalism is the head of the house, of course).

edited 4th Apr '14 8:07:11 AM by TPPR10

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#96: Apr 4th 2014 at 8:53:17 AM

Nationality is a good alternate, yeah.

That being said, I'd like to bring on one more point of contention. Is there ANYONE here who'd ramp up Yuri Lowell's entry in the House of Weapons? Is his title fitting? I had thought that due to his vigilantism, he might have a better shot in about Screw the Rules, I'm Doing What's Right!... but then I haven't played Vesperia so I can't judge that myself. What do you think? A little help? For someone as big as Yuri, he deserves more.

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#97: Apr 4th 2014 at 3:32:25 PM

Hey, do stories have to be pre-approved to be added to the book of trope? Because I've been thinking of a doozy about a couple of god's ascensions.

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#98: Apr 4th 2014 at 6:59:10 PM

Yeah. They have to be pre-approved before writing one unless you really know what you're doing with a plot. On a different note, The House of Nationality is perfect.

Despite not playing any of the Tales games, who thinks Yuri should reinstated as the God of Screwing the rules by doing the right thing? And on that note, which House should we move him to? Heroes or Justice?

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#99: Apr 4th 2014 at 11:43:54 PM

So a day has been pasted, and since I haven't gotten any objections, I think I will do it in a short while. Though I am still debating if Kogasa's new position would be in House of Mentalism.

And I think Yuri's new position would be in House of Heroes.

edited 4th Apr '14 11:44:26 PM by TPPR10

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#100: Apr 5th 2014 at 1:41:07 AM

Let us try a mock portfolio first. Is that OK with you? Though I prefer that if his new title is written Doing The Right Thing Against The Rules.

edited 5th Apr '14 1:42:04 AM by ChrisX


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