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    • Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
    • Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
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    • Wrong: Badass Adorable
    • Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
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    • Wrong: Big Bad: Of the first season.
    • Right: Big Bad: The heroes have to defeat the Mushroom Man lest the entirety of Candy Land's caramel supply be turned into fungus.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM

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#13926: Nov 26th 2020 at 9:01:48 AM

Asking one more time: Does Evil Mentor also apply to a villain teaching another how to be a better villain?

"Rarity, are you okay? We gotta get you and your friends outta here soon!"
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#13927: Nov 26th 2020 at 9:12:09 AM

Skimming the description, it looks like a "no" on Evil Mentor, though maybe it'd include examples where the mentor and mentee are opposing types of evil.

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Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#13928: Nov 26th 2020 at 10:12:48 AM

Reposting from the previous page, since it didn't get a response:

Is the following example from Star Trek: The Next Generation S1E18 "Coming of Age", have enough context, as it doesn't actually saw how or why the reveal is supposed to be obvious?:

  • Captain Obvious Reveal: It's pretty obvious that the accident that supposedly interrupts Wesley's psychological test is the test itself.

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#13929: Nov 26th 2020 at 8:51:46 PM

Found this in The Addams Family character page about a Camp Counselor named Becky

  • Girlish Pigtails: What the hell was up with that hairstyle towards the end of the movie?
Do we allowed examples with questions like this?

Edited by Bubblepig on Nov 26th 2020 at 9:11:05 AM

“What is that? It's The Unknown!”
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#13930: Nov 26th 2020 at 8:54:33 PM

No, and also, that example text doesn't say anything about how the work is an example of the trope.

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#13931: Nov 26th 2020 at 9:06:50 PM

So, that's a natter and Zero-Context Example? If that so, I will cut it out.

Edited by Bubblepig on Nov 26th 2020 at 9:07:20 AM

“What is that? It's The Unknown!”
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#13932: Nov 26th 2020 at 11:05:17 PM

Music.Folklore 2020 has this:

  • Ambiguous Gender: The singer of "betty." The bridge reveals that their name is James, probably indicating that they're supposed to be a boy, but some fans have pointed out that it could be a Gender-Blender Name—Taylor knows at least one girl named James (who has sisters called Inez and Betty, the other names in the love triangle trilogy) and was herself named after a man.
The reasoning here is sound, but in regards to another entry I wrote about this song, it was pointed out to me that Word of God confirmed James to be male. Does Ambiguous Gender still apply then?

Edit: [nja]

Edited by Tenebrika on Nov 27th 2020 at 2:26:42 AM

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#13933: Nov 26th 2020 at 11:38:52 PM

I've seen entries of Like You Would Really Do It be "subverted" or "averted" when a character, against all odds, break from the Plot Armor. These can be cut right?

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#13934: Nov 26th 2020 at 11:43:51 PM

I don't know but I think it depends.

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Vilui Since: May, 2009
#13935: Nov 27th 2020 at 12:13:35 AM

Audience reactions can't be played with.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#13936: Nov 27th 2020 at 2:04:20 AM

Reposting the following example from the previous page, since it didn't get a response:

Is the following example from Star Trek: The Next Generation S1E18 "Coming of Age", have enough context, as it doesn't actually saw how or why the reveal is supposed to be obvious?:

  • Captain Obvious Reveal: It's pretty obvious that the accident that supposedly interrupts Wesley's psychological test is the test itself.

And is the following example from Fuse being used correctly as I'd assume Box Office Bomb could only apply to films not videogames (hence the Box Office part)?:

  • Box Office Bomb: Numbers for video game sales are hard to come by, but reports suggest that Fuse sold on the order of 5,000 copies in its first week. To put this in perspective, Resistance 3 (whose performance was disappointing enough to be a Franchise Killer) reportedly sold 180,000 copies its first week.

And are the following examples from Charlie's Angels (2019) being used correctly?:

  • Anvilicious: A common criticism reviewers had with the film is how its attempts at feminism feel more like cheap Pandering to the Base. With it coming across as clunky due to the omnipresent portrayal of men being stupid, ineffectual and/or evil while Edgar, the only major heroic male character unless you count The Saint, dies; and even the new Charlie is revealed to be a woman. Critics describe the film as well meaning but hamfisted at best and just insulting to whom it's trying to appeal to at worst. Likewise pointing out that there are male fans of the previous renditions who just liked the characters for who they are beyond the perceived fanservice and just wanted another fun outing with them. Something this film forgets to take into account and gets buried under in its attempted message.

  • Uncertain Audience: The film wants to be an reboot (or continuation?) of the franchise which is what drew most in. But, rather then just be a fun spy romp like it's predecessors, it spends more time trying to preach about female empowerment then keep it's focus on the plot which ends up muddling both it's attempt as a movie and a message. Fans of the franchise decried it as an unworthy addition to the franchise lacking any of the charm and wit of its predecessors. While a good chunk of feminists honestly found it laughable and contrived, with even them stating that the 70s series and 2000 reboot presented female empowerment much better without being condescending. Essentially in trying to push the feminism message to the forefront of a series that's just suppose to be about espionage with female leads, it ended up alienating everyone.

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#13937: Nov 27th 2020 at 10:08:46 AM

@Tenebrika: I think the James stuff could go under Viewer Gender Confusion instead. There's nothing in the song meant to cause confusion about about James' gender, and I don't think Taylor intended it to be ambiguous, but viewers misunderstood Taylor singing a song directed to a woman as indication that the singer was a lesbian.

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#13938: Nov 27th 2020 at 11:10:22 AM

I have a sneaking suspicion that the majority of not the entirety of MesACrowd.Video Games is misuse that belongs on Self-Duplication.

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#13939: Nov 27th 2020 at 11:23:42 AM

Hey guys, I already edit the example from my previous post. So, what do you think?

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#13940: Nov 27th 2020 at 11:30:53 AM

[up][up] I put Me's a Crowd on Tropes Needing TRS a while ago because it's so often confused for Self-Duplication; I didn't even know there was a difference before those IP threads a short while back.

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costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#13941: Nov 27th 2020 at 2:59:02 PM

From FranchiseOriginalSin.Game Of Thrones:

  • Season 7 was much criticized for being inconsistent about the size of Westeros and frequently distorting travel times for the sake of drama. The climax of "Beyond the Wall" is often cited as the moment that finally killed Willing Suspension of Disbelief; in order for Daenerys' climactic Big Damn Heroes moment to happen, Gendry is forced to send a message for help across the span of an entire continent, and Daenerys is forced to fly back across the span of the same continent after receiving his message—all in the span of maybe 24 hours. As fans have noted, this was a problem in earlier seasons too. Most notably, Littlefinger regularly popped up all over the Seven Kingdoms whenever the plot required it, even traveling through warzones with surprising ease. Most people were willing to overlook that, though, since it led to plenty of compelling moments of character interaction, and wasn't usually a case of breaking the plot to save the main characters from certain death. It strained credulity a bit more when the Sand Snakes seemingly teleported from the docks of Sunspear to the harbour of King's Landing, and when Varys somehow managed to travel from Sunspear to Meereen (crossing an entire ocean) just for the sake of a single dramatic moment in the finale.

Not sure it counts as something that was seen as acceptable before, since apparently even back in the show's heyday, Littlefinger appearing all over the place was mocked, with the fandom joking that the explantation was that he had a jetpack.

LordGro from Germany Since: May, 2010
#13942: Nov 27th 2020 at 3:02:21 PM

This is a recent addition to The Vampyre:

  • Unbuilt Trope: Lord Ruthven for the modern depiction of vampires as being classy, sexy, polite, tortured, and more human than monster. While he is classy, sexy, and polite, Ruthven is not tortured, showing no moral qualms about having to kill to survive, and while he appears human and can keep human company, he's still ultimately a monster, killing countless innocents without blinking, manipulating the hero, and trotting off without punishment at the end. And yet, we owe the existence of our modern, sympathetic Byronic Hero vampires to him!

Unbuilt Trope is a Trope Trope, and yet this entry does not identify a trope, at least not one in our catalogue. I'm not sure what to make of the claim that "classy, sexy, and sympathetic vampire" is a kind of default in modern vampire fiction, such as the contributor implies (I've not read much recent vampire fiction). Is this a valid example of Unbuilt Trope?

Let's just say and leave it at that.
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#13943: Nov 27th 2020 at 4:41:57 PM

[up]Unbuilt Trope doesn't necessarily require the trope in question to be ubiquitous. It's just used before it becomes mainstream. I suppose the trope it's referring to would be Vampires Are Sex Gods, although I don't know when that trope started becoming popular to actually judge whether or not the example counts as Unbuilt Trope.

MrMediaGuy2 Since: Jun, 2015
#13944: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:56:52 PM

Don't know if there's a cleanup for Values Resonance, but this was just added to YMMV.Frosty The Snowman.

  • Values Resonance: While the plot was still poorly handled, the issue of having no more snow days in "Frosty Returns" has become more vocal after classes transitioned to online learning in response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Some schools have announced intentions to have classes online instead of snow days when things go back to normal, upsetting many kids.

The premise of "Frosty Returns" is that the adults are trying to get rid of snow completely so there won't be any more snow days. This seems like a pretty loose connection.

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CasualChris Since: May, 2020
#13947: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:28:22 PM

Pertaining to Earth Bound, would this fall under Easter Egg or Shout-Out?

  • If you listen closely to the background noise in the Onett arcade, you'll be able to hear music from both Sheriff, a '70s Nintendo arcade game, and Xevious, an early Namco arcade game.

fragglelover Since: Jun, 2012
#13948: Nov 27th 2020 at 10:03:24 PM

This is on The Mandalorian S2E5 "Chapter 13: The Jedi" under Mythology Gag (Spoiler tag added, since it's the latest episode):

  • Frank Oz famously used basically the same voice as his Sesame Street character Grover for Yoda. The Child's name is revealed to be the similar Grogu.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#13949: Nov 28th 2020 at 12:42:33 AM

I don't think they sound that similar. This is one case where Word of God would help a lot.

Merseyuser1 Since: Sep, 2011
#13950: Nov 28th 2020 at 6:45:39 AM

Possible ZCE from Anime.Dragon Ball GT:

or should this be Continuation?

How could this be better written?

Also found, this possible ZCE on Series.A Touch Of Frost which needs expansion:


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