Is this an example?

My understanding of the Wham tropes is that they need to create a radical change in direction for the story/episode/scene/dialogue that the show wasn't originally building towards, to go off in a new direction. I removed the following gen:LOCK entry on the grounds that, while it's a shocking episode, the show was building up towards it, and the major reveal of the episode was guessed by the fandom after the previous episode (it's also making some big assumptions about things that haven't been confirmed, but I didn't cite that as an edit reason). A troper has added it back because they feel the episode shook up the status quo and dropped a bombshell.

So, is the following example Wham Episode or not?

• Wham Episode: Episode 6. To recap: The Chase we've been following since the end of episode 1 isn't the real Chase, but a backup made by Weller and uploaded to the original's body. The original Chase? Captured by the Union during a mission, along with his Holon, and turned into Nemesis. After this revelation, the Anvil is attacked by a Union Behemoth, which floods the base with nanobots. Colonel Marin, Migas, Jodie, Leon, and Miranda are likely all dead. Dr. Weller? Dead, having sacrificed himself to keep the Union from obtaining gen:LOCK technology. gen:LOCK One and Caliban? Alive, but with no base of operations or backup their situation isn't looking too good.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Feb 24th 2019 at 12:14:26 PM

Mobile Suit Gundam Narrative

• Strawman Has a Point: Zoltan was a rambling madman, but during his rant about how everything sucks and everyone must die, when he says that Newtypes evolving after only 100 years is ridiculous, audiences can't help but think "well, he's got a point there."
• Villain Has a Point: Criticizes the Newtype theory, stating that humanity has lived in space for only 100 years, which doesn't make sense with regard to how evolution actually works. He’s entirely correct.

It can't be both. Does anyone in-work dismiss or argue against this point?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Feb 24th 2019 at 9:09:07 AM

Would this work for Artifact Title.

In the Arrowverse, there's a character named Gypsy. While the version in the comics in which the character is romani and did wore an outfit modeled after it. The one in the show is Hispanic and wears leather.

Edited by WhirlRX on Feb 25th 2019 at 10:32:18 AM

Artifact Title is for work titles, not character names, so I would say no.

The example primarily fits in Race Lift. The name could fit in The Artifact, though.

Thanks. I can go with the Artifact.

For Voodoo Shark

• Halo justified the inclusion of Unusable Enemy Equipment in the first game by claiming the Fuel Rod Gun and Energy Sword were equipped Self-Destruct Mechanisms as a form of anti-theft. All games released afterwards allow the player to use both weapons with no attempt to rectify it beyond certains levels of Halo2 had you playing as part of The Covenant (who built the weapons).
• On a related all the Halo games starting with the second gave the Active Camouflage to the player but they can only use for short burst while the AI's camo last indefinitely. Halo 2 was nice enough to Hand Wave that The Arbiter was using on an older set of armor with less advanced Active Camo. However once again the later games give no handwave but keep that same mechanic.

Edited by Emberfist on Feb 25th 2019 at 7:49:44 AM

I would call that Early-Installment Weirdness rather than a Voodoo Shark. The latter is internal to a particular installment of a work, and doesn't become a retroactive example when later installments ignore it.

The EGOTs lists the Marvel Cinematic Universe as falling only a Tony short of the Grand Slam; If I admitted that the Emmy went to a different series (Jessica Jones) than the Oscars and Grammies did (Black Panther), would this still count?

Edited by dsneybuf on Feb 25th 2019 at 1:04:25 PM

I still think it is a Voodoo Shark because other games like Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater exist where a new Hand Wave is used to justify keeping a mechanic when the old one can't be used. Also the first is less of Early-Installment Weirdness because they added the Hand Wave that is now being ignored despite the problems it opens up.

From Characters.The Dragon Prince

• The Woman Wearing The Queenly Mask: A rare gender flip. It's established early on that Harrow feels his kingly duties are a burden and it wears on him, especially after Sarai died, and in his last letter he urges Callum not to make the mistakes he did. When Callum sees a vision of King Harrow in his dreams, he's chained down to his throne.

Does this fit, or would The Chains of Commanding be better, or something else?

While the definition of The Woman Wearing The Queenly Mask does allow for the occasional Rare Male Example, there has to be some sort of opposition to their rule for it to count (in the case of a queen, usually her gender).

The Chains of Commanding strikes me as a much better fit.

Early-Installment Weirdness doesn't preclude explanations. Later installments ignoring / changing things from earlier installments is exactly what EIW is.

Edited by Primis on Feb 25th 2019 at 12:34:33 PM

This example in the Order of the Phoenix folder on WhatAnIdiot.Harry Potter seems like Harry's acting irrationally due to his emotions:

• During said detentions, Umbridge forces Harry to magically carve the words "I must not tell lies" into the back of his hand.
  You'd Expect: Harry to inform Professor McGonagall and/or Dumbledore and, for his next detention, take one of them (or anybody else) with him under the Invisibility Cloak. You'd think the Ministry, even in its newfound Jerkass mode, would hardly be able to get away with mutilating children.
  Instead: He suffers silently, not wanting to give Umbridge the satisfaction of seeing him complain and not wanting to talk to Dumbledore due to being angry at him for keeping Harry in the dark, and lets her continue her reign unchallenged.

Given how often Narm is misused on this website, could I get some clarification as to whether this example from Lethal White is being used correctly?:

• Narm: This book avoids spoiling the true identity of the previous book's killer, the Shacklewell Ripper, which is appreciated. However, a significant subplot has Robin dealing with PTSD caused by, among other things, her encounter with the Ripper, and the narration goes to sometimes comical lengths to avoid mentioning the Ripper by name, even with in-universe media directly referencing the incident.

And do the following examples from The Kid Who Would Be King have enough context?:

• Adults Are Useless: Justified in part that the supernatural elements chasing after Alex and his knights remove anyone else from the situation. When Alex's mom sees Excalibur she demands he turn it into the police, but by that time he's been convinced he is The Chosen One and refuses.
• Artistic License - Astronomy: At night we see some lovely shots of the full moon. This is all happening with in 3 days of a solar eclipse.

Re-posting since I'm uncertain on trope usage: Should this be cut or does this example from FantasyCounterpartCulture.Game Of Thrones fit the trope:

• House Baratheon:
  • There's some Broad Strokes resemblance to the children of William the Conqueror: he left his first son, Robert, the territory he considered most prestigious, the duchy of Normandy, and left his second son William Rufus his largest and most profitable holding, the throne of England. Robert felt cheated and went to war with his little brother to claim the throne. Rufus died in a hunting accident, at which point their third brother (Henry) entered the stage, and won the war.

Plus this example on Broad Strokes page for Live Action TV:

• The New Edition Story mini series and its sequel, The Bobby Brown Story, have an odd, but justified version of broad strokes: To give all of the New Edition members equal screen time in the first mini series, a lot of Bobby Brown's wild behavior was toned down, and his marriage to Whitney Houston was mostly glossed over. This was rectified in The Bobby Brown Story, with the trade off of downplaying his beef with New Edition due to it already being covered in the prior series.

and on the work page for New Edition Story:

• Broad Strokes: A necessity for both mini series. The New Edition Story downplays or flat out ignores some of Bobby Brown's more infamous incidents and his marriage in order to give equal screen time to the rest of New Edition. On the flipside, many of Bobby's issues with New Edition were glossed over in The Bobby Brown Story since most of it was already covered in the prior series.

Doesn't this fall under Artistic License – History?

I wonder if Broad Strokes is occasionally a Square Peg Round Trope ?

Found this on YMMV.Silent Hill Revelation 3 D:

This kinda feels like someone Complaining about People Not Liking the Movie.

I don't think Cowboy BeBop at His Computer is about misinterpreting things within the narrative, it's about reports and reviews getting simple, obvious facts wrong.

I'm pretty sure this entry isn't even true, anyway, because I don't recall anything about Sharon / Heather being some "random infant" that Alessa just used as a vessel. According to the Silent Hill wiki, this is something that was in the original script, but it makes no mention of that plot point actually being in the movie. And if it is in the movie, then it's extremely easy to miss, so it still doesn't count for this trope.

Edited by Primis on Feb 25th 2019 at 3:46:08 AM

I'm going to say no to the first one. The similarities are fairly vague.

From YMMV.Fate Grand Order.

Fanon Discontinuity:

• Nasu has stated that Mash's romantic feelings only apply to the male protagonist while her feelings for the female protagonist are platonic, but good luck telling that to any of the fans. It helps that the game's Purely Aesthetic Gender means Mash keeps her Ship Tease with the protagonist regardless of your set gender.
• Furthermore, the game's use of "Altria" as a feminized version of "Arthur" is unpopular and disregarded by a large portion of the playerbase in favor of alternatives such as "Artoria" or "Arturia."^note This includes the localization team, who have often begged Type-Moon to be allowed to change it. But Nasu, allegedly, saw her name spelled that way on a piece of unofficial merch, and has decreed that Altria it shall be forevermore, fueled perhaps by the fact that it sounds a lot less out-of-place to the Japanese ear.

Wouldn't this be more Death of the Author

Edited by WhirlRX on Feb 25th 2019 at 6:36:22 AM

Death of the Author is where Word of God is rejected as opposed to in-work reveals and events. The former is Death of the Author, the latter has nothing to do with canon or continuity so just Fan Nickname.

YMMV.Anthem 2019:

• Never Live It Down: Just like how Mass Effect Andromeda was forever remembered and ridiculed for its horrible facial animations, Anthem is already being remembered and ridiculed for its constant loading screens, no matter how many times Bioware tries to patch it.

It's been less than a week, this seems too soon to call. How long before we can decide if an example?

AcceptableNationalityTargets is a YMMV redirect to National Stereotypes, an index, which doesn't seem to be YMMV?

So, the entries of Acceptable Nationality Targets should be moved to their work pages, or what? Also, there might be a more specific National Stereotype that would fit them?

• YMMV.Reign Of Fire
• YMMV.ITSMYLIFE Expanded Universe

I'm intensely skeptical that anything will drown out the fact that it's not a RPG as far as complaints about that game go. I'd definitely cut at this point.

That's probably an artifact from when Acceptable Targets had even more subtropes. I can't find the thread that turned this one into a redirect, but if someone could, one could probably work out what to do with it from there.

Found some natter on WesternAnimation.The Animals Of Farthing Wood. Does it count?

• Earn Your Happy Ending: Crowning example. Except for Season 3.
  • Since Season 3 is the grand finale for the series as a whole and seemingly ends on a more uplifting note than the previous two (or at least before anything else bad occurs to taint it) it may still count.
  • However since there wasn't any real struggle with the rats, Season 3 sort of fails to invoke this trope.

Cut since it's arguing with itself.

YMMV.Pokemon Detective Pikachu:

• Unexpected Character: Of all the Pokemon to make an appearance, few predicted Mewtwo would feature prominently in the second trailer. It does however play an important role in the video game the movie is based on, so an appearance isn't entirely out of left field.

If it's a popular Pokemon who played a key role in the work it's based off of, how's it unexpected?

I'd just cut, but this leave me with a question about Unexpected Character: is only some audiences (fans) expected it, can it still count it casual audiences (who wouldn't have known why to expect it) were surprised? Or would they not have known enough not to know what not to expect?

RE: FantasyCounterpartCulture.Game Of Thrones: House Baratheon & some Broad Strokes resemblance to the children of William the Conqueror.

I say let's delete this misuse. Children of William Conqueror is not a culture anyway and Baratheons are not equivalent to culture of Normandy.

I'll delete it if it was not done already.

About Broad Strokes — I'll have to read the definition and the examples carefully, but it does look suspicious.

Edited by XFllo on Feb 26th 2019 at 12:56:45 PM