Is this an example?

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Is this an example of a Pretty Boy?

• Many, many musicians in Emo Music traded on this aesthetic, especially when the genre blew up in the mainstream in the 2000s and male musicians overtly played up their sex appeal for their female fans. As a result, during that time the term "emo kid", when applied to males, came to refer to young men who wore androgynous clothes (especially skinny jeans) and had long hair and little body fat, and grew into a derogatory term for boys who were seen as less traditionally masculine than their peers.

I dislike it for being a "general example" — we want concrete instances. These are usually ok-ish for trope description (though not that long, as trope descriptions are supposed to be succinct).

Plus the music folder used to be full of gushing about musicians someone thought were "cute" which were removed because it's NRLEP. Though stage personas or stylised look for a music video would be ok, I guess.

Edited by XFllo on Feb 22nd 2019 at 10:39:52 AM

Another problematic edit on Cats Have Nine Lives:

• Tako in DEVILMAN crybaby technically has two lives once he becomes a Devilcat. He 'loses' his first when he gets stabbed by the mob attacking the Makimura residence - which activates his first transformation into Devilcat, and sadly loses his second not long afterward to an energy slash by Satan.

I would delete this. Tropes are not narrow, but 'cat-like beings have two lives' seems pushing it. What do you think?

That's an absolute violation of "examples are not general" and should be deleted with prejudice.

While the description doesn't make it super clear what Cats Have Nine Lives is actually about, I'm quite certain that two is fewer lives than we should permit in examples.

For the Voodoo Shark page there are 3 examples that I think are example but the first 2 got taken down so I am only adding them if I get enough people that agree. The first is from Star Wars Rebels. Long story short to explain why Ezra had a green-bladed Lightsaber in season 3 after Darth Vader destroyed Ezra's original Lightsaber in the season 2 finale, Word of God said that Kyber Crystals are colorless and the blade is meant to reflect the users' personalities. There are a few a problems with this.

1. Several characters different personalities have the same colored blades. Ahsoka (Very brash and headstrong) uses green-bladed lightsabers like Yoda (The textbook example of a wise old mentor in fiction) for example. Anakin and Obi-Wan also both blue-bladed Lightsabers despite a case of Red Oni, Blue Oni respectively.

2. Several times in the films and TV Series we characters using another characters' lightsaber yet the blade does not change color. Examples include Obi-Wan using Qui-Gon's Lightsaber against Darth Maul in Episode One and it stays green. Anakin using a temporary replacement for the Battle of Geonosis in Episode Two which is green despite the fact Word of God means should be blue like his of his regular lightsaber.

3. When Anakin becomes Darth Vader in Episode Three why his Lightsaber blade not immediately turn to Red? For that matter why does it not do that any other time a fallen Jedi appears or when Ashoka was Brainwashed and Crazy during the Mortis arc of the Clone Wars?

4. What do the individual blades colors mean? Ezra at the start of season 3 was very close to becoming completely Drunk on the Dark Side. Does that mean green is the color of someone on the Start of Darkness? If so should it be worrying to anyone that the Jedi Grand Master uses a green lightsaber? Also why does Ezra's lightsaber color stay green for the rest of the series when that plot point above was resolved early in season 3?

5. Related to the above what does it say when a person wields a lightsaber or lightsabers with more than one blade color like Ki-Adi-Mundi, Agen Kolar, Pong Krell General Grevious or Darth Maul?

6. Why did they not use a the more logical explanation? Depa Billaba (Kanan's master) had a green lightsaber blade in legends. So Why don't they just say Kanan kept the Kyber Crystal from his master's lightsaber as a Tragic Keepsake and then gave ti to Ezra? It makes more sense and those above points would be moot.

The alleged reason for Astral Projection Luke pulled at the end of The Last Jedi. Rian Johnson posted on Twitter a force ability called Doppelganger from Legends. The problem is the description claims that the Doppelganger is virtually indistinguishable from the real deal. So why does Luke look like he did in the flashbacks from the movie and use the Blue Lightsaber that was shattered earlier on?. Even worse it still does not explain how or why Luke dies at the end of the movie.

• The novel is just as bad trying to claim that dropping dead is what normally happens when someone tries to use that ability despite Yoda using it in Star Wars Rebels without that happening.

• Another Last Jedi example is that during the battle on Crait. It is explained the base is surrounded by an deflector shield that will would protect them from an Orbital Bombardment to explain why the First Order never attempts that. However that shield, based on what we know for The Empire Strikes Back, should stop ships and other air vehicles too. (The reason for the Ion Cannon was that the Rebels need to lower to let their ships escape.) Yet we see several ships flying around near the base as if the shield wasn't there at all.

Edited by Emberfist on Feb 22nd 2019 at 1:23:10 AM

Thank you, Fighteer, for your input on both.

About cat have nine lives — I was thinking about this. In my native tongue (Czech), the saying sometimes goes "cats have seven lives, and tom-cats have nine", so I like to know there might be some variation, but two lives — that really feels like it's not this trope.

Edited by XFllo on Feb 22nd 2019 at 10:38:26 AM

Does this count as Prop Recycling or Recycled Set? Or neither?

Edited by Primis on Feb 22nd 2019 at 3:35:40 AM

I think that fits the spirit of both tropes (models being props, backgrounds being sets).

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind lists:

• Third-Person Flashback: Possible aversion as we see the movie as a third person memory of the protagonist's dreams. In real life he has no memory of his romantic rival's face because he didn't see it, so even though we see it in third person, no matter how he moves the guy he's always The Blank.

Is this an aversion or not?

Umm, no, it's a straight example, and "possibly averted" is one of those Word Cruft weasel terms that should immediately raise a red flag.

This example on Ackmena's entry on Characters.Star Wars Tatooine seems heteronormative, considering her sexuality was never discussed in Legends:

• Adaptational Sexuality: In her original appearance and Legends, there was no indication of her sexual orientation. In From a Certain Point of View, she's established as being in a lesbian relationship.

Edit@ Nevermind. I say delete.

Edited by WhirlRX on Feb 22nd 2019 at 10:55:01 AM

Agreed. If it's merely filling in a blank, then it's not changing established information, so it's not Adaptational anything.

From Suddenly Sexuality.

After 3 seasons the characters Korra and Asami from Legendof Korra are suddenly bisexual for each other after only dating male characters. The creators discussed having them come out and start dating sooner but were worried the network wouldn't allow that (Nickelodeon was okay with it), so instead in the last episode of season 4 they hold hands and look lovingly into each other's eyes after being close friends throughout the show. Some fans saw it coming while others were totally blindsided. In the comics that followed after the show ended the creators delved deeper into the situation by explaining which nations allowed and banned same-sex marriage, which also seems bizarre since the show nor it's predecessor Avatar: The Last Airbender ever mentioned those things.

They did have Ship Tease starting around third and Fourth. Also, the two only dated one male character and who was the same guy at different points.

Edited by WhirlRX on Feb 22nd 2019 at 11:37:20 AM

EDIT: Nevermind. Just figured it out.

Edited by INever on Feb 24th 2019 at 10:27:03 AM

The last sentence should definitely be cut. Adding new elements of world building that weren’t previously established is something writers do all the time and isn’t tropeworthy. I’d probably cut the rest of the entry too, but the problem is I can’t tell if it’s misuse or if Suddenly Sexuality is just a poorly defined trope. The way I often see it used is "a character not immediately established as non-heterosexual upon their introduction is established as such later on" which is 1) not a tropeworthy concept and 2) weirdly framed as inherently negative, which makes the page a magnet for Complaining About Queer Characters You Don't Like.

Am Inright or is there some other, more useable definition of Suddenly Sexuality?

Edited by TheMountainKing on Feb 23rd 2019 at 3:47:09 PM

YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 8 E 19 Road To Friendship:

• Unintentionally Sympathetic: Even though the episode tries to put a Both Sides Have a Point situation over Starlight's decision to sell Trixie's wagon. People getting attached to their vehicles (or other objects) isn't that uncommon, just ask any biker, nor is really an unhealthy thing. There is also the fact that Trixie's Wagon is basically her home.

Unless anyone objects, I'm cutting it since it just explains why Trixie was Sympathetic, but not Unintentionally (what's listed is why Both Sides Have a Point).

This one's got my vote, frankly.

Is animated movie from Poland Western Animation or Eastern Animation?

Edited by Misiael on Feb 23rd 2019 at 2:38:32 PM

Does this count, even though it's not even the semblance of a physical blood trail, but just Blood Magic tracking?

Trail of Blood:

no, cut. That doesn't fit the spirit of the trope.

Should this be cut or does this example from FantasyCounterpartCulture.Game Of Thrones fit the trope:

• House Baratheon:
• There's some Broad Strokes resemblance to the children of William the Conqueror: he left his first son, Robert, the territory he considered most prestigious, the duchy of Normandy, and left his second son William Rufus his largest and most profitable holding, the throne of England. Robert felt cheated and went to war with his little brother to claim the throne. Rufus died in a hunting accident, at which point their third brother (Henry) entered the stage, and won the war.

Plus this example on Broad Strokes page for Live Action TV:

• The New Edition Story mini series and its sequel, The Bobby Brown Story, have an odd, but justified version of broad strokes: To give all of the New Edition members equal screen time in the first mini series, a lot of Bobby Brown's wild behavior was toned down, and his marriage to Whitney Houston was mostly glossed over. This was rectified in The Bobby Brown Story, with the trade off of downplaying his beef with New Edition due to it already being covered in the prior series.

and on the work page for New Edition Story:

• Broad Strokes: A necessity for both mini series. The New Edition Story downplays or flat out ignores some of Bobby Brown's more infamous incidents and his marriage in order to give equal screen time to the rest of New Edition. On the flipside, many of Bobby's issues with New Edition were glossed over in The Bobby Brown Story since most of it was already covered in the prior series.

Doesn't this fall under Artistic License – History?

I wonder if Broad Strokes is occasionally a Square Peg Round Trope ?

GravityFalls.Tropes F To O

• Four-Man Band
  • Only Sane Woman: Wendy
  • The Smart Guy: Dipper
    • The Other Smart Guy: Stan
  • The Casanova Wannabe: Mabel
  • The Butt-Monkey: Soos
    • The Other Butt Monkey: Stan

Thoughts?

That formatting is bad Example Indentation. It should look more like:

• Four-Man Band: Wendy is the Only Sane Woman, Dipper is The Smart Guy, Mabel is the Casanova Wannabe, and Soos is the Butt-Monkey, with Stan occasionally swapping in as the smart guy or butt-monkey.

Or something like that. I don't actually know Gravity Falls at all, so I can't determine from names and nothing else if the characters actually fit the archetypes or not.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Feb 24th 2019 at 2:15:42 AM

Much like Five-Man Band, I would say that having more than four members (and members sharing roles) disqualifies it as an example.