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    • Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
    • Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
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    • Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM

MissMokushiroku Ace Gamer from Atlanta, Georgia, USA Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Ace Gamer
#7526: Feb 11th 2019 at 6:59:32 PM

I want to add this to Flight Rising, but I'm not sure whether it fits more under Eye Scream (because eyes) or Body Horror (because it doesn't result from injury):

  • [trope]: Just hatched a Plague dragon with the Primal eye type? Congratulations, your new hatchling has pustules for eyes.

This is what they look like, by the way.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#7527: Feb 11th 2019 at 7:06:20 PM

I'd probably go Body Horror, given that's its natural state. That said the entry seems a bit Word Crufty.

I want to bring back one that got lost in the shuffle a couple pages ago.

Would the following be a valid entry for Pintsized Powerhouse, or should it go to the subtrope of Cute Bruiser?

  • Mashiro Torasawa, Torako's older brother in Torako, Anmari Kowashicha Dame da yo, is a thirty-four year old who is Older Than They Look and is very easily mistaken for a child. He is also the first person in the series shown who can handle Torako's insane and uncontrolled strength. He repeatedly dodges her or throws her with enough force to break walls, both sides doing it with a smile as Mashiro describes it as their version of goofing around. He credits his taking care of Torako in place of their parents as the source of his own strength, as simply surviving her naturally made him stronger.

Also, given that last sentence, is there potential for a Charles Atlas Superpower entry?

MissMokushiroku Ace Gamer from Atlanta, Georgia, USA Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Ace Gamer
#7528: Feb 11th 2019 at 7:26:58 PM

I've read the Word Cruft article and my example doesn't seem to violate any of the guidelines (except maybe About Rhetorical Questions, which I don't think applies since my example immediately answers the question).

I could just put in "Plague dragons with the Primal eye type have pustules for eyes." and if others believe that's more appropriate, I'll do it, but I wanted it to have a more casual tone than just "Trope: This thing is an example because of the way it is an example."

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#7529: Feb 11th 2019 at 7:42:19 PM

If I'm wrong about the Word Cruft then nevermind. The way it was written seemed a bit off to me, is all. Can't quite explain how, and Word Cruft was the first thing to come to mind.

MasterHero Since: Aug, 2014
#7530: Feb 12th 2019 at 9:39:05 AM

Does Superman: The Animated Series truly qualify as a reconstruction for its titular superhero and/or the superhero genre? A reconstruction is a work that revitalizes its genre after a deconstruction and the page for reconstruction describes Superman: The Animated Series as...

Superman: The Animated Series is a reconstruction for a modern Superman. Superman: The Animated Series came after Batman: The Animated Series, which was much darker in tone and had many deconstructive elements and reality enues moments. While hardly Grimdark, the Batman animated series was more somber in tone with an underlying sense of bittersweetness. While the bad guys never really won, the good guys never really score a Golden Ending either. The Superman animated series on the other hand presented deconstructed moments and Reality Ensues moments and still presented the people and heroes of the show at being truly good, gaining real victories in their battles, and the series as overall had a bright, optimistic, and hopeful tone.

What do you think?

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#7531: Feb 12th 2019 at 10:54:36 AM

[up] Not An Example. At all. BTAS was not a deconstruction of anything, nor was STAS a reconstruction.

wingedcatgirl I'm helping! from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
I'm helping!
#7532: Feb 12th 2019 at 11:32:59 AM

[up]re Sonichu: In my opinion, someone feeling the need to add "to be fair" automatically disqualifies an example from being Critical Research Failure.

These examples of Foreshadowing in Fortnite feel like a stretch to me:

  • Foreshadowing:
    • At some point in season 5, Epic added a new free dance emote, Boogie Down, which looped infinitely unlike the default "Turk" dance. Then season 6 introduced Dance Domination, where a looping dance emote became necessary to claiming the dance floors.
    • At the end of the Fortnitemares event, Epic added the heavy assault rifle, which had lower rate of fire in favor of more damage, and its uses seemed limited - then came the Team Terror game mode, which basically combined the spawning cube monsters with 50v50, and the heavy assault rifle became the go-to weapon for destroying cube fragments (usually the rocket launcher would be used, but the load time and hard-to-find ammo made it impractical).

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#7533: Feb 12th 2019 at 1:17:54 PM

On fanon, is it a rule that Ascended Fanon and I Knew It! examples get moved, instead of just noted as canonized? Several pages mention such examples and the Pokemon page outright has a section for it.

Edit:

On another note, can a character be considered Ambiguously Gay, or Ambiguously Bi, if they have a lot of Ho Yay or must it be intentional Ship Tease/Homoerotic Subtext? For example, an older work where two characters have ambiguous moments, but due to the time period it's unlikely to be intentional.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Feb 12th 2019 at 5:04:12 AM

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#7534: Feb 12th 2019 at 8:24:20 PM

In Black Clover, does Vanessa's response to the Witch Queen threatening to have Asta kill her friends count as a "Facing the Bullets" One-Liner?

Vanessa: You aren't my family!! The Black Bulls are! All of them!!

Edited by gjjones on Feb 12th 2019 at 11:32:03 AM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#7535: Feb 12th 2019 at 8:29:22 PM

[up] Not enough context to say. By itself, it looks more like Calling the Old Man Out or You Are Not My Father.

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 12th 2019 at 9:30:22 AM

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#7536: Feb 12th 2019 at 8:35:02 PM

[up] Indeed, those two tropes are already listed in the character sheet.

Edited by gjjones on Feb 13th 2019 at 4:33:54 AM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#7537: Feb 12th 2019 at 8:36:49 PM

My point, though, is there's not enough information about what's happening around the quote to say if it's a "Facing the Bullets" One-Liner.

I'm inclined to say it's not though, because that's specifically a Death Trope and unless Vanessa dies (or appears to) after uttering it, she wasn't really facing the bullets in the first place.

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 12th 2019 at 9:37:43 AM

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#7538: Feb 13th 2019 at 1:34:31 AM

Perhaps I should expand on the context of the scene: The Witch Queen orders Asta to kill his friends, including Vanessa, after they fulfilled their bargain to stop the Diamond Kingdom's invasion of the Forest of Witches. But when Vanessa tries to make one last bargain to have the Queen let Asta go in exchange for Vanessa staying in the Forest, the Queen refuses and says that Vanessa leaving the forest was pointless to begin with. When Vanessa delivers the quote I'm referring to in my previous post, does it also fit the criteria of either a Defiant to the End (it is also a Death Trope) or a Shut Up, Hannibal! trope?

I could be wrong.

Edited by gjjones on Feb 13th 2019 at 4:35:26 AM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Rymyll_the_Wanderer from a room with plants and white walls Since: Nov, 2016
#7539: Feb 13th 2019 at 6:10:20 AM

For Dragon Quest XI is this an example of Developer's Foresight?

  • The post-game essentially drops the player back to a save-state made around the midpoint of the game, which means that the game not only remembers the equipment state of your characters but also whether or not you consumed any seeds or had any hard-to-obtain items equipped at the time.

I am not sure it is but I want to get some other input.

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#7540: Feb 13th 2019 at 8:51:25 AM

How is that foresight? What strange and unpredictable action by the player did the devs foresee?

Rymyll_the_Wanderer from a room with plants and white walls Since: Nov, 2016
#7541: Feb 13th 2019 at 10:21:49 AM

I saw this one when looking at the tropes list for Dragon Quest XI. I was unsure if it fit so I wanted to get some other opinions before I removed it in case I was missing something.

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#7542: Feb 13th 2019 at 10:51:49 AM

It doesn't look like an example to me, at least not as written.

Zuxtron Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel from Node 03 (On A Trope Odyssey)
#7543: Feb 13th 2019 at 1:12:15 PM

This was added to Characters.Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Vento Aureo, in the character Ghiaccio's folder:

  • Ambiguous Disorder: Displays some signs of Asperger's or mild Autism with an unhealthy obsession to vocabulary and grammar, impulsive and violent behavior and very unique mindset.

I've never heard of impulsive, violent behavior being considered an autistic trait (and I have an Asperger's diagnosis myself). Given how the character in question is a hitman in the mafia, I'd say his aggressive traits are more likely to just be part of his personality. To me, his tendency to fly into a rage while ranting about Italian grammar came across as just him being excessively proud of his country's culture. And since he's a Monster of the Week who gets killed off after one fight and is never mentioned again, we don't really get a good enough look at his psyche to make any kind of fair assessment of his mental health.

XFllo There is no Planet B from Planet A Since: Aug, 2012
There is no Planet B
#7544: Feb 13th 2019 at 1:22:12 PM

[up] Hm, the example context is off.

If it had only this part: an unhealthy obsession to vocabulary and grammar and very unique mindset — I could accept it as an example.

I'd either remove it or re-write the context.

Zuxtron Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel from Node 03 (On A Trope Odyssey)
#7545: Feb 13th 2019 at 7:06:29 PM

We have the Grammar Nazi trope, which Ghiaccio falls under, and isn't indicative of an autistic spectrum disorder. "Unique mindset" is severely lacking in meaning to the point of possibly being a Zero-Context Example.

I saw that he is also Literal-Minded, which IS an autistic trait, but I still don't think it's enough to make one think he's on the spectrum since his dialogue shows that he does understand the metaphors, he just doesn't like them.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#7546: Feb 13th 2019 at 7:17:11 PM

~gjjones, re: your post here

Defiant to the End: I'm not sure. It does allow for the defier not dying, but still requires the defiance to have an effect. Does the Witch Queen respond to Vanessa's statement and, if she does, does it have any effect on the outcome of the situation?

Shut Up, Hannibal!: This trope is a direct response to an attempt to Break Them by Talking. It sounds like we're past that point, but the Witch Queen does at least snark that Vanessa's initial leaving/offering to stay was pointless, so maybe... It's not a trope I work with much do I'm not sure.

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#7547: Feb 13th 2019 at 7:48:24 PM

Pervert Dad:

  • Music.Aerosmith's song "Janie's Got a Gun". The music video strongly emphasizes this, with the father looking in his daughter's bedroom before raping her.
    • In a strange meta way with the music video for "Crazy", though Liv Tyler was cast by the director without knowledge Steven Tyler was her father. The video shows her in a skimpy schoolgirl skirt, bent over in tight leather pants, a tiny crop top, give sexy polaroids to a gas station attendant, just a shirt and panties, doing a pole dance, and skinny dipping. Not to mention the lesbian undertones with Alicia Silverstone . Surprising that he'd allow his daughter to be cast in his video doing those things.

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HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#7548: Feb 13th 2019 at 8:28:17 PM

[up] The first-level bullet point looks fine. The second-level one is shoehorning and troping Real Life people.

Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#7549: Feb 14th 2019 at 4:25:49 AM

Actionized Sequel and Darker and Edgier repeatedly reappear on Frozen II despite there being no finished products to compare to other installments to understand the full extent of their qualification.

I would like to keep reverting this on sight but I would not like to get into more trouble for further edit warring.

Edited by Albert3105 on Feb 14th 2019 at 4:29:28 AM

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#7550: Feb 14th 2019 at 5:18:03 AM

[up] - Leave then there while comparing them to the first movie's trailers and adding some Trailers Always Lie, and that they're Implied tropes, but may be Subverted later on?

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