Is this an example?

In YMMV.Bing:

There seems to be an overlap with Alternate Character Interpretation given how the examples are worded, so which is it?

"Rarity, are you okay? We gotta get you and your friends outta here soon!"

I think it fits more into Alternative Character Interpretation.

Are these correct examples?

From Characters.Metro on The Captain's folder:

• Big Good: He serves as the most important ally of Sam in Sam's Story, and it later becomes an Invoked Trope, starting from the second half of the DLC. He even once committed Heroic Sacrifice when Sam blows up the sub, to stop Tom's possible plans of inciting another nuclear war via launching the nukes inside the sub.
• Contrasting Sequel Main Character: To Miller. Both are high-ranking officials, the Deuteragonists beside the protagonists (Miller to Artyom; Baranov to Sam) of their respective games and are leaders of their own respective organisations. But their similarities end here because:
  • Miller is a former Russian Spetsnaz soldier and later the Colonel of the Russian Army, as well as the leader of the Spartan Rangers. Baranov is the Captain of the Russian Navy, who served once as Vladivostok's leader before Tom's usurpation.
  • Both Miller and Baranov are Old Soldiers and are pushing in their 60s, but while Miller relies on firearms and straight-up force, Baranov focuses more on planning and military tactics, who is able to hide the nukes from Tom and his men within the marshes so that they could not initiate their leader's genocidal plan.
  • How they are lied upon by their leaders is different. Miller is easily influenced by the lies of his superiors when it comes to "NATO Invasion", while Baranov is highly sceptical of Tom's "restarting the world" motivations from the start.
  • While Miller leans to the idealistic side of things, as such when he thought of Yamantau being another safe haven for the Aurora Crew until it turned out to be a den of cannibals; Baranov is considerably realistic, as he became doubtful of Sam's decision to use the sub as a ticket home to America, inclining into the theme of making the hardest decisions; where he has to destroy the submarine to save the world from an impending nuclear war at the expense of losing the only means to do so, in spite of it being the only way to prevent it.

From Characters.Metro on Tom's folder:

• Breaking Old Trends:
  • He's the first Metro villain who is not affiliated to any political faction to at least the Vladivostok's equivalent of the Reich, Red Line, Polis or Hansa.
  • In a series where most of the antagonists are European, particularly Russian or Central Asian, Tom is the first antagonist in the series who is North American, being an American from Seattle.

From Characters.Metro on Danila's (Sam's Story) folder:

• Suspiciously Similar Substitute: Very similar to Vladimir from Metro 2033 and Metro: Last Light, being that both of them are weapons specialists, bald-headed and are Russian (Compare Vladimir's face in Last Light to Danila's). Their first introduction to the player character is identical as they introduce them to their own shooting range to test out their weapons. And both men commended the respective protagonists because of their former background, with Artyom saving the Metro from the Dark Ones and with Sam being a former Marine.

Edited by holygrail24 on Mar 19th 2024 at 7:33:09 AM

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Does On-Set Injury only involve injuries that were caused by events during production, or can they include other medical emergencies that happen during production? Kristen Schaal reportedly had severe bleeding due to an ectopic pregnancy and was feeling pain while recording for Gravity Falls once, and had to rush to the hospital right after recording as a result.

Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 19th 2024 at 11:46:14 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

They look fine to me, is there a reason you think they don't count?

I'd say no, but there might be a trope for "creation of something affected by a pre-existing health condition"

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Just making sure so that it would not be considered ZCE. And also, the CSMC trope. I was wondering if it's correctly used since the franchise has a few examples of it including Sasha, Slava, Sam and Baranov who were all main characters.

Edited by holygrail24 on Mar 20th 2024 at 9:49:24 AM

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Where should the "Hindsight" YMMV examples be placed again? Is it in the older work, or in the newer work?

Specifically, there's a scene in Persona 3 Portable which is now funnier in the Persona 3 Reload remake, as it gives more context than the previous version. Similarly, there are other "in hindsight" examples that can be mentioned after the release of Reload. I'm about to write these entries, but I'm not sure (or forgot) where is the most appropriate work page to put them.

With Great Power, Comes Great Motivation

It would belong in the page for the older work.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

They belong to where the setnecne subject is, normally the one that came before. In this case the example talks about a scene in the original game.

Edited by Amonimus on Mar 20th 2024 at 7:51:47 PM

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Trivia.Infinity Train used to have this example:

• Keep Circulating the Tapes: On August 19, 2022, HBO Max pulled Infinity Train off its library, as well as removed every Infinity Train-related video and social media post after about a day's notice, the news claiming that the series would be pulled 'this week'. Moreover, the DVDs for the first two season were removed from Amazon and are no longer in production. So far, the series remains purchasable digitally on a number of sites, including iTunes and Amazon Prime Video, but even Owen Dennis is skeptical about how long that will last.

This example ended up being deleted on August 31, 2022 and replaced by Bury Your Art, which also ended up deleted because it was a misuse. However, I think the Keep Circulating the Tapes example should be restored. The troper who originally deleted it didn't give a reason why and the example seems to fit the trope given to what happened to the series.

Should I restore it?

Edited by SoyValdo7 on Mar 20th 2024 at 11:21:44 AM

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Found this on FireEmblemThreeHouses.Tropes A To D

• All Lesbians Want Kids: If a female Byleth gets a paired ending with Mercedes it is stated that they ended up opening an orphanage and raising many kids together. Byleth also ends up adopting children in her paired ending with Dorothea but only in the Japanese version of the game.

Looking at the trope page, the trope is about various lesbian women who wants to have a kid. This entry simply states that Female Byleth and Mercedes opened an orphanage and becoming mothers to many orphaned children. No mention of them wanting kids. Any other thoughts?

Edit: Here is another one I found on Characters.Fire Emblem Three Houses Adrestian Empire

• Psycho Lesbian: She doesn't express any sort of romantic interest in any of the male characters and has an extreme obsession with Edelgard which goes to the point that she keeps track of every meal that Edelgard has eaten, the amount of times she's sighed, the amount of times she's said Monica's name, or to her chagrin, the names of others compared to her own. Downplayed, as while Monica's obsession with Edelgard is clearly unhealthy she doesn't actually physically hurt anyone over it.

The trope is about a woman is psychotically obsessed with another woman, to the point of actively harming others. As written, Monica sounds more like a lesbian Clingy Jealous Girl than anything.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Mar 21st 2024 at 10:40:24 PM

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Got a question about an example (hopefully this time I'll remember to make the edit).

I'm trying to figure out if this is just a subversion/deconstruction of Moses in the Bullrushes or if it's also a Playing with a Trope version of Genuine Impostor:

In the 17th century play, The Dog in the Manger by Lope de Vega, the protagonist Teodoro is an orphan who knows nothing of his parentage, and who has worked his way up to being the secretary of Countess Diana.

Teodoro loves Diana and her money and his servant, Tristan, thinks up a scheme to make Teodoro eligible to marry Diana by tricking a nobleman into thinking that Teodoro is his long lost son, also named Teodoro, kidnapped by pirates as an very young child.

At one point, Teodoro asks Tristan if it's possible that he is actually the guy's son, and Tristan answers something to the effect of "Anything is possible. Miracles happen every day."

So like Teodoro could be the real heir, but there's no information revealed in the play that would give the characters or the audience a reason to think that he is.

Edited by Hodor2 on Mar 21st 2024 at 12:36:00 PM

Correct examples?

From Characters.Shimeji Simulation Spoiler Characters on Big Sis' folder:

• Contrasting Sequel Main Character: To Ishii of Girls' Last Tour.
  • Both are scientists who have cool-headed and intelligent personalities, as well as The Stoic and having Stoic Spectacles that emphasises their stoic nature. The characterisations they bear, however, are contrasting to one another. Whereas Ishii is a Nice Girl who is willing to help Chito and Yuuri to fix their Kettenkrad after it broke, Big Sis is an Aloof Dark-Haired Girl and Shijima's Aloof Big Sister who is driven with her experiments first and with her sister being the second priority; and is willing to commit morally ambiguous acts to achieve it.
  • Both are also Wrench Wenches who have knowledge for engineering. Ishii's approach of knowledge is practical and rooted within the past, as she builds her airplanes based on old, ancient records dating back to many centuries ago and relied on using old materials to create it. Big Sis' approach to it is more on the future and progress side as she is a Gadgeteer Genius capable of inventing many very complicated technologies, often fish-themed in nature, of whom which were heavily focused on uncovering the simulation's true nature.
• Foil:
  • To the Gardener as they are both connected to the world's true nature as a simulation. The Gardener represents natural order and her complete adherence to the status quo, while Big Sis represents chaos and unbound freedom to it. Unlike the Gardener who sticks to her own guns to maintain the natural order with her bound rules for her utopia, Big Sis actively wants to break all of it by making humans unbound to the simulation's rules. The Gardener uses magical powers to maintain the simulation, while Big Sis uses her invented technologies to alter it. Furthermore, the Gardener is a cold idealist, while Sis is a hardline pragmatist.
  • To Yomikawa as they are both intellectuals. Yomikawa is a Genius Ditz who is comical yet genius due to her adherence to philosophical books, while Big Sis leans to the scientific and is aloof and distant but is also a genius like Yomikawa. Unlike Yomikawa who is philosophical, Big Sis is a realist.
  • She also has contrasts to her clone, who both have a reckless disregard to the natural order. While Big Sis only wants to unbound humans from the rules of the simulation's status quo, the clone wants to allow humanity to become the better versions of themselves.

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Here's an odd one, from not-quite-opera Origin:

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• Squick: invoked In "A Taste for Collecting Beetles", Darwin mentions that he tried to eat one of his newly discovered beetles. At this point the other singers, who were previously a small chorus reinforcing his words, briefly drop out of character to express their disgust.
  Darwin: So I popped the one I held in my right hand into my mouth
  Other singers: [breaking character, not singing] Ewwww

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Squick is normally an audience reaction, but as they're playing with the fourth wall and supposedly reacting as performers, not in-universe characters, it feels like an [[invoked]] squick might be the most appropriate option?

Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 21st 2024 at 10:17:10 AM

~Hodor2

That feels like an invoked version of Moses in the Bulrushes, as the characters are aware of the trope and directly bringing it into play as part of their scheme.

Genuine Imposter feels like a discussed trope - they mention the possibility and it's relevant to the plot, but the conversation goes no further. There's no reveal or denial, and it sounds like it's not an important/deliberate ambiguity at the ending?

I'd be tempted to list both. You could probably add a brief "at one point, they even wonder if it might be true" or something to the end of the Moses in the Bulrushes one, too.

Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 21st 2024 at 10:29:28 AM

To holygrail: Neither Ishii nor Big Sis are the main characters, so that can be cut. Big Sis and the gardener are foils, but not Yoshikawa and Big Sis, and Big Sis' clone is basically her Evil Doppelgänger which I think makes Foil irrelevant

Edited by Libraryseraph on Mar 21st 2024 at 6:45:38 AM

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Can Non-Human Non-Binary also apply to transmasculine/transfeminine characters or just nonbinary ones?

From Characters.Horizon Zero Dawn Far Zenith on Tilda's folder

• Big Bad Duumvirate: Alongside Gerard Bieri as one of the two main antagonists of Horizon Forbidden West, who both want to steal GAIA but for different reasons. While Gerard poses the most immediate threat to Aloy's group, Tilda herself shares his goal of fleeing into deep space and starting humanity anew, leaving Earth to be ravaged by Nemesis. The real difference is that she just wants Aloy by her side during it, being the only Zenith to crave genuine companionship, but it is clear in her betrayal that the end of her goals are just as similar to Gerard. It is also revealed in Burning Shores however that she's the one who masterminded the plan in the first place, as shown in one of Londra's datapoints prior to Nemesis' terror in Sirius, where Gerard led the rest of the Zeniths, herself included (not without some reservations), of visiting Earth to take GAIA away, making both him and her having the equal hand to the main conflict of Forbidden West.
• Big Bad Ensemble: Both her and Gerard serve as the game's Big Bad Duumvirate, while Regalla serves as a separate antagonist who has an agenda of her own.
• Co-Dragons: Eventually Subverted in the final end of the game. She serves as the left-hand man to Gerard, along with Erik as Gerard's right-hand man, albeit it turns out she has her own agenda since she's part of the story's Big Bad Duumvirate. Then it gets to its head when she eventually betrays him at the end.
• Contrasting Sequel Antagonist: Where most of Zero Dawn villains were some variation of "ignorant, politically conservative and religiously fanatic males", Tilda is the opposite of all these things. She upholds more liberal values, including being a lesbian due to her past relationship with Elisabet Sobeck and is an apolitical atheist who is well-aware of the state of her own world. She also heavily contrasts to Helis.
  • Helis is deeply loyal to Jiran, albeit on the levels of fanaticism, who wants to devotedly follow his footsteps to take over Meridian and murder Avad, but he's mostly on the orders of a genocidal AI who has much more ulterior motives than him. Tilda is portrayed as a defector who hatches a plan to backstab them, betray Gerard, its current leader, and the rest of its members, so that she would intend to use Aloy for the same goal as the Zeniths: leave Earth to Nemesis.
  • Helis only understands technology through HADES and Sylens, and is stuck with his Fatal Flaw of his Black-and-White Morality, his arrogance and single-minded obsession over Aloy. Tilda is also much more intelligent and cunning than Helis, owing to her occupation as a hacker and is a much more complex character due to her Greying Morality.
  • Helis serves as Zero Dawn's Climax Boss before HADES, but Tilda serves as the Final Boss after Erik, Forbidden West's Climax Boss. Both Helis and Tilda have some connections to Aloy, but on a differing scale. Helis serves as Aloy's Arch-Nemesis and the main killer of Rost, who knows her because of her thwarting many of the Eclipse's machine-digging operations. Tilda knows Aloy due to being the genetic clone of Elisabet Sobeck, a "superior" version of her former love, where she is less being Aloy's nemesis but her refusal of her questionable offer ultimately made her the personal threat to Aloy at the end, making her equally no better than the stereotypical male oppressors.
  • They are also The Dragon to the Big Bad, but unlike Helis who is simply as one towards HADES without even knowing its true nature; Tilda is one of Gerard's Co-Dragons with Erik with an agenda of her own, but is actually a part of Forbidden West's Big Bad Duumvirate with Gerard (due to her being the one responsible for hatching Gerard's plan) as well as a Big Bad Ensemble with him and Regalla.
• Dragon with an Agenda: While she acts as Gerard's left-hand for most of the game along with Erik as his right-hand, it's clear that she plans to stab him in the back at the end, due to her being a Defector from Decadence. Even though that doesn't stop her from showing her true nature to Aloy after betraying Gerard at the end.

Correct examples or needs some fixing?

Edited by holygrail24 on Mar 21st 2024 at 10:05:54 AM

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Bumping

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This was just added to PopCultureUrbanLegends.Western Animation.

• Peppa Pig is allegedly responsible for American kids developing British accents. This rumour started in 2019, but resurfaced in 2021, when COVID limited the amount of contact people could have with each other, meaning that kids could get most of their exposure to English speech from TV.

This doesn't say anything about the rumor being false, it just talks about it starting and resurfacing.

It seems to be true at least anecdotally, and reported by numerous outlets. It may not be scientifically proven but it's an anecdotal thing for sure. And personally I can attest that when I was a toddler I would apparently speak in an English accent after watching Peter Pan and Kipper so I can buy it lol

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so if it's true i guess that would make it not an example of an urban legend

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someone added sheriff blubbs from gravity falls as an example of Blackface-Style Caricature, which feels like misuse to me

for context, this is the character in question—

wanted a second opinion before removing, but that design just looks like a normal example of cartoon Facial Profiling, not an exaggerated caricature version

Usually actual black animated characters will have big lips. But this really doesn't fit the trope.

@ 31069 this

Those don't read like examples to me.

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and agreed, he has broad features but that doesn't look like the trope.

A trivia example in a Doctor Who episode lists Author Phobia for the writer’s hatred of taxes. Would it still count?

Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 12:01:11 PM

Discombobulate.