Is this an example?

Does that mean you agree with me removing the trope?

Repost from previous page:

Are Hula and Luaus-type coconut bra + grass skirt an example of Garden Garment?

Powers via Weapon: No powers are granted? It's just that that sword is a Weapon of X-Slaying where X is Astral?

• Guts is an inhumanly strong, trained human who wields the Dragon Slayer. a massive slabsword. The sword has been soaked in the blood of Apostles, turning it into a cursed weapon that lets him harm astral beings. He later gains the Berserker Armor as well.

Yeah it's just a weapon of x slaying

Thanks! Removed.

Is this Deus ex Machina?

• Baby Boom (Shawna Canon): The sudden appearance of aliens having taken over the Earth 105 years in the future to necessitate the Miraculous still being active.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=1190#comment-29738 I'd actually say that Adrien's self-image did change since he has to practice the Cat Walker persona before his costume changed and was worried about not being able to go back to being Cat Noir also this is ignoring my actual question of whether or not the Miraculous costumes in general count as Self-Perception Shapeshifting and/or Residual Self-Image besides Tropes Are Flexible so even if Adrien is just Lost in Character he still sees himself differently and thus (potentially) still an example of this trope

Edited by Wild-Starfish on Nov 6th 2023 at 4:43:42 AM

Have a bit of a tricky example from Faraway Town Aubrey's folder in OMORI – Main Group. I've previously edited this example to be more objective (it originally insinuated that Aubrey had a crush on Sunny in the past, which is unconfirmed), bringing it to its current state:

Upon review, I'm beginning to wonder if this should instead be made an example of Implied Love Interest or removed outright. I think there is an argument to be made for the former, as it is confirmed that Sunny had a crush on Aubrey, and Aubrey in turn has several moments late in the game which could be interpreted as an interest in Sunny:

• The two can have a conversation in which Aubrey awkwardly admits that she still cares about Sunny, complete with a slight stammer and visible blushing. The conversation also takes place on a swing-set which is emphasized in other parts of the game to have sentimental value in their relationship, including in one of the game's climactic cutscenes.
• When the group is headed to visit the treehouse in Sunny's backyard together, Aubrey waits behind to ask Sunny about something privately. When Kel interrupts before she can finish, Aubrey drops the topic, blushing and stammering again. She later finishes her question by asking for Sunny to visit after he moves away, but the initial scene can easily be read as an instance of Cannot Spit It Out.
• The two are implied to have been particularly close prior to the events of the game: aside from Sunny's confirmed crush on Aubrey, it is also revealed that Sunny served as The Confidant for Aubrey to vent her worries. By contrast, Kel and Hero, who were also friends with her, had never been inside of her house prior to the game's events.

What's the best approach? Is this applicable for an Implied Love Interest entry or should I just remove this outright?

Does this fit Open Mouth, Insert Foot or Digging Yourself Deeper better?

• In Fraternization, Blades enthusiastically says that the impending issue of the Decepticons gaining more body diversity through being able to reproduce naturally will probably resolve itself through the spark Galvatron's carrying blowing up, taking her out with it, due to the Decepticons being unaware of how to properly form new bodies to fit preexisting sparks instead of the other way around. It isn't until he looks around at the horrified expressions on the faces of everyone in the room that Blades realizes he's basically just hoped that Galvatron will have a stillbirth and die because of it. He attempts to save face by sputtering that that wasn't what he meant to imply by not having to worry about that problem, only to give up and leave the room.
  Blades: (hurriedly) I mean, not that — I don't—it's not like I'd want—I'm just saying, you don't need to worry about... Uh, hey, I just remembered I've got to... (scoots away)

I was planning to make an Early-Installment Weirdness page for Mario Kart but I’m wondering can Mario Kart DS count for this trope given it handles stuff like Online Multiplayer and Battle Mode differently compared to Mario Kart Wii onward? Or is MKDS too new to count for the trope given it’s the 5th in an 8 or 9 game series (depending on wether or not one counts Mario Kart Tour as a mainline installment)?

Edited by Mariofan99 on Nov 7th 2023 at 10:00:32 AM

bump

I'm pretty sure something can qualify as Early-Installment Weirdness so long as it's discussing something about a trend or factor in the work that was dropped as the trend or factor continued i.e. if the multiplayer of DS was the first in the series, and different from all other iterations.

You were responded to

to give some examples:

• Mario Kart DS:
  • DS would be the first game in the series (and the first Nintendo published game outside of Japan) to feature online multiplayer, however, it would feature several concessions due to system limitations: limiting to it four players at 100cc, omitting 12 of the 32 tracks from the selection pool and the inability to drag items behind you. None of these limitations would be present in later games.
  • Being the first game to feature Retro Courses as a part of the main mode (compared to every SNES course being a secret unlock-able of Super Circuit) it would feature balanced game representation with each game getting 4 remade courses. This is in contrast to later games where stages are picked without regard for representation (such as 7 featuring 4 courses from DS and Wii, but only one from Super Circuit).
  • In contrast the Battle Mode would feature 4 new arenas and only two returning ones, with neither one (Block Fort from 64 and Pipe Plaza from Double Dash) being labeled as retro. All later games would have an equal amount of retro and new arenas with the retro arenas being designated as such.

Edited by Mariofan99 on Nov 7th 2023 at 11:07:18 AM

All except the first one (which I'm hesitant to call an example if system limitations are the clear reason for the difference) sound good.

Apologies, I appear to have missed that post, despite my best efforts.

But did Wyldchyld even read my response? I clarified that yes, they couldn't resolve the whole plot instantly, but them and the show's heroes working together would make the heroes group far more powerful, to the point of probably reversing the power dynamics of most of the micro-conflicts (would Tyrian have even tried attacking Ruby's if her group outnumbered him 8-1? What if there'd been 12 heroes at the start of the battle of haven instead 8? Ask those same questions of almost every encounter with the villains the heroes have from then on.) The example is in line with, at the very least, the spirit of Superman Stays Out of Gotham, and the overwhelming majority of given examples. If we want to cut based on the most literal interpretation of the trope possible, then the whole page would need a massive purge.

Would this count as an inversion of Greedy Jew?

In The Real Ghostbusters episode "The Haunting of Heck House", the Ghostbusters are too scared to go to the eponymous house, but when someone offers them a million dollars each as a reward, they all become eager, except Egon, who still refuses.

Considering that the example is reliant on a pothole to Ambiguously Jewish to explain why Egon refusing the offer makes the example an inversion, I'm leaning towards no.

Would SMPLive's death counters be an inverted Kill Tally? Each player has the amount of deaths they've had display under their in-game nametag.

Edited by Serilly on Nov 8th 2023 at 7:07:42 AM

Would the "tweeting" joke in Moana make it an Unintentional Period Piece because it dates the movie's creation to before Twitter was rebranded to X?

IDK. I still mentally call it "Twitter" and I know other people still say it as well.

Another oddity — Generation Loss had a phone number hidden in one of its promotional videos that if called IRL would give you an in-character recording from Showfall Media, would that just be Defictionalization, or is there something that would fit better here?

Yes, I did.

All you are doing is saying "I want X characters to be capable of doing Y thing to create my preferred hypothetical outcome, which will then unfold exactly as I imagine it to". The trope is about when everyone knows for a fact that Character A's well-established abilities would make Character B's plot-line a non-starter, so there is a contrived reason for why Character A doesn't get involved, and the plot only occurs because Character B cannot resolve it the way Character A could.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 8th 2023 at 10:33:51 AM

I found these entries on Dragon Age – Sera and I'm not sure if they actually belong on her page or are just plain misuse.

• Aristocrats Are Evil: Is an ardent believer in this. Generally, her approval can be gained by sticking it to nobles, and disapproval by appealing to them.
• Baby Factory: Not Sera herself, but if Inquisitor Lavellan dates Solas then Sera can make some awful comments in party banter about them just being together to make elven babies.
  Sera: So, you and the Lady Inquisitor. Interesting.
  Solas: Your interest is not my concern.
  Sera: That's all right, because I meant boring. The elf always takes the elf so that bumping bits will mean something.
  Solas: It is not a topic for discussion.
  Sera: Oh, come on. Drop 'em and rebuild the empire. Phwoar!
  • It's also implied that another reason Sera hates "elfy" elves is because of city elves having arranged marriages as a rite-of-passage, which Sera can't fit in with since she's gay.
• Nothing but Skin and Bones: The physical reason she doesn't usually go for elves.

Is it a Stepping Out to React inversion if the reactor ends the conversation, and the other person leaves, before they react?

Note to Self: Not the intended use (Zantetsuken Reverse)

Edited by Malady on Nov 8th 2023 at 9:00:44 AM

Found this on Trivia.Rurouni Kenshin

• Distanced from Current Events: Due to the controversy surrounding author Nobuhiro Watsuki, Aniplex of America has both opted and gone to great lengths to not credit the voice cast of the 2023 series' English dub despite it being a union production, so as to protect their integrity and public image from the extremely volatile backlash they would face on social media.

DFCE is about a piece of work being altered or delayed due to the events at the time of its creation. This doesn't describe any of those. Additionally, the author's arrest for CP possession happened in 2017, so it's not really "current" (though discussion of said arrest were revived following the announcement).

Yeah, that makes sense. I think it can be cut.

Found this on Characters.Slow Damage The Takasato Gumi (which I'm unsure of, especially since it's a zigzagged trope)

• A Lighter Shade of Black: Zigzagged. Toono is undoubtedly immoral and is generally the more active threat. But in the grand scheme of things, and especially in the true route, it's actually Toono who qualifies for the trope more than Sakaki does, even if only by a small margin. His goals — which involve illegal drug production and secret deals with certain people of import from the mainland — don't spell anything good for anyone in Shinkoumi, though that being said, he's still no more different than most other crime bosses one can see in either Real Life or other media. Sakaki, meanwhile, while pragmatic enough to focus on keeping the peace in Shinkoumi, secretly feels that the city was at its prime when it was under the rule of a psychopathic master manipulator who both committed and abetted any kind of crime as long as it was to her benefit, and Sakaki himself is also willing to stoop to rather dastardly means in order to achieve his own goals. Additionally, while Toono won't tell anyone what his plans are so easily, he never denies that he's up to no good; whereas Sakaki hides his true colors, which paint him as so twisted that he doesn't even believe that his (and by extension, Maya's) actions are evil in nature.

Is this Values Dissonance?
* In a retrospective on The Order of the Stick, author Rich Burlew noted that the early conflict between Miko and Belkar (and the titular Order as a whole) was interpeted very differently depending on whether the reader was a Dungeons & Dragons player or not:

• Players interpreted the conflict as being one between someone dead set on roleplaying a certain way to the point of aggravating other players if they don't play along (Miko) and someone who is simply in to kill stuff but is otherwise not particularly demanding or annoying of the other players (Belkar) and would side with Belkar and the comic in calling out Miko on her more annoying ways.
• Non-players interpreted the conflict as being one between an infuriating and overzealous but ultimately benevolent bringer of justice who makes very good points regarding the group's actions (Miko) and a bloodthirsty murderer who the rest of the group should have gotten rid of long ago (Belkar) and felt that the comic was undeservely harsh on Miko compared to other characters.

Edited by dArtagnanMusic on Nov 9th 2023 at 4:30:25 AM