Is this an example?

Oy yeah, that trope is explicitly not about the protagonist.

Found this in Characters.Deltarune Queen

• Contrasting Sequel Antagonist:
  • She could be considered one to Toriel's Undertale counterpart. Both well-meaning maternal figures go to extreme lengths for what they think is best for those under their care, but while Toriel has traditional motherly mannerisms and could be considered old-fashioned in some areas, Queen speaks in a lot of modern technology-themed lingo and strongly follows a technological motif. Toriel's smothering nature only seems to extend to her children, while Queen seems big on smothering anyone under her rule. Toriel only chooses to fight you as a last resort to persuade you, and begins holding back to make sure you don't actually die from it, but Queen encourages fighting against her and actually intends to defeat you to execute her plans.
  • Couldn't be more different from the King, being an Affably Evil goofball met at the start who periodically shows up throughout her Chapter as opposed to the King's No-Nonsense Nemesis who stays in the background until the end. Unlike the King, she's firmly an Anti-Villain; all of her actions were fueled by the belief that they would make Noelle (and by extension, all Lightners) happy, and even encourages her to do what she wants to do when she realizes Noelle won't find happiness just doing what she tells her to. The King was set on defending his fountain and lashed out at Lancer for befriending the Lightners. Queen had no idea about the disastrous consequences that would occur had more Fountains been created, and had only gone off of what she inferred from the Knight's actions. After it's sealed, she appoints herself Lancer's (un?)official mother and treats him well.

Contrasting Sequel Antagonist is about a sequel’s antagonist being different from the previous one. Since Deltarune is currently an incomplete game (being more or less a demo with 2 chapters) and the chapters are intertwined rather than being full blown sequels, I feel like the first bullet is valid while the second might be misuse. Would like more opinions.

Sorry for the double post but I found this on Trivia.The Legend Of Heroes Trails Of Cold Steel Northern War

• Friday Night Death Slot: The show airs on three different TV Networks in Japan. Between the three, BS12 airs it on the 2600 hours slot on Thursday, or literally 2AM on Friday. It’s only slightly better on Tokyo MX and AT-X, where it airs at 11:30 PM on Sundays and 11 PM on Mondays respectively.

I’m wondering how this trope applied to anime, because anime in general tend to air late in the night (hence the existence of the Otaku O'Clock trope) and the entry doesn’t explain if the show did poorly beyond the slot time. Any other thoughts?

Yeah, i honestly don't know if Japan has a Friday Death Slot since the its an entirely different culture compared to US. I say delete.

Speaking of Friday Night Death Slot, I also found it crosswick:

• The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel - Northern War is given terrible treatment by the three networks that air the show in Japan - Between the three, BS12 airs it on the 2600 hours slot on Thursday, or literally 2AM on Friday mornings. It’s only slightly better on Tokyo MX and AT-X, where it airs at 11:30 PM on Sundays and 11 PM on Mondays respectively.

I also found some more anime examples like Aikatsu! and Revolutionary Girl Utena but again, Japanese Tv airings are vastly different from the ones in North America, so I'm very unsure they count at all.

I'm still awaiting an answer here.

I have an idea for The Lopsided Arm of the Law.

In the film Let Me In, Owen is savagely bullied at school. But when he tries to defend himself by hitting one of his tormentors in the ear, Owen is sent to the principal's office and castigated while his bullies are not punished.

Does this qualify as The Lopsided Arm of the Law, since the school authorities are unfairly punishing Owen while doing nothing about his bullies? Or is the Crime of Self-Defense, since he's being lectured explicitly for defending himself? Or is it a bit of both?

Edited by redandready45 on Jul 9th 2023 at 7:15:53 AM

^^ Both misuse, it’s NRLEP and not about works.

^ That trope is about law enforcement. A principal being unfair would be some other trope I think

Ayumi@ Yeah. Theres no indication that Japan has any date that is considered bad for shows. I say remove.

Since i'm on a 40k roll:
Voodoo Shark, Retroactive Idiot Ball, or both?
* When the "Two Lost Legions" were introduced back in Warhammer 40,000's early editions, they were never intended as more than Cryptic Background References to never be explained, to give an air of mystery to the setting and wonder as to how much information had been lost since the event.
But when the Horus Heresy got expanded upon, and supposedly happened around the time the two lost Primarchs and their Legions were lost, writers (who have stated they were not allowed to give answers, or even hint at possible answers, to that mystey) eventually came up with the explanation that any specific details about them had been thoroughly erased from records and even from the minds of those who knew them. Which (questions on how such an operation could be done on a galatic scale aside) does not explain why Daemons or the Dark Eldar, both races which would have been present around that time as well, would not be subject to any Imperial propaganda efforts, and would love to taunt the existing Primarchs (or even the Imperials in general) about the missing demigods, have not said anything about them to anyone at all.

Edited by dArtagnanMusic on Jul 9th 2023 at 8:54:09 AM

Moreso "What flavor example is this?" but I'm trying to figure out which subtrope/folder of Artistic License – Physics to put the ability to traverse infinitely upwards by lassoing a trampoline while you jump on it.

From Ulti's section in Characters.One Piece Animal Kingdom Pirates:

• Kick the Dog: She headbutts Komachiyo and literally kicks him while he's down. When Tama tearfully asks her to stop, Ulti yells at her to shut up and slashes her cheek to Nami's frustration.

Since Kick the Dog is when a villain goes out of their way to hurt someone/something just because they can, not because it serves them (i.e. establishing dominance, cheating in a game, etc.), does this example count?

Edited by gjjones on Jul 9th 2023 at 1:18:25 PM

Not enough context to say for sure

From Screw Destiny:

• Not a genuine example, but Batman tells the Riddler straight his views on the subject in the Batman: The Animated Series episode "If You're So Smart Why Aren't You Rich?":
  Riddler: That is grand-scale cheating, Batman! You are not allowed to tamper with the Hand of Fate!
  Batman: I don't believe in Fate.

If it's "not a genuine example", wouldn't it be shoehorning? I think it is, since it fails this criteria in the description:

Pardon if I seem to assume stuff too quickly but I think that if the act is not obviously immediately pointlessly pettty then its not an example of Kick the Dog.

Just saying "not a genuine example" is grounds enough to cut it, but I agree that it seems shoehorned.

It's gone. Thanks CNG.

Brought this up in another thread, but from Retroactive Idiot Ball's Star Wars entry:

The thing as a whole might fit, but the bit about Anakin's motivation bugs me because it feels like it's missing the fact that his issues with 'attachment' are supposed to be being fundamentally selfish there - he doesn't want to trade his life for anyone else any more than he wants to lose them; he wants to avoid anyone dying at all. (It's no coincidence that his redemption does involve outright trading his life for Luke's). Should this be rewritten/cut?

Adaptational Wimp from My Adventures with Superman for Clark Kent.

• Whilst other versions of Clark have access to enhanced vision, including X-Ray Vision, Clark's unfamiliarity with his powers has resulted in him not yet discovering the ocular-related powers Superman is known for, such as laser vision. Episode 2 shows that he can't even see in the dark properly.

This version of Superman is weaker compared to other versions because he hasn't fully developed his powers by the time he is an adult. But he is starting to developed powers along the way. Would the fact he doesn't have his eye visions yet be considered Adaptational Wimp when there is a possibility he will gain them later?

Edited by WhirlRX on Jul 9th 2023 at 9:12:45 AM

I found this on Surprisingly Creepy Moment.

• Sailor Moon: The original work was marketed to older teens, unlike the "family friendly" reputation it acquired thanks to the 90s anime adaptation. Naoko Takeuchi indulges in Body Horror at least once an arc: characters' flesh melting off bones (Mamoru in the Dark Kingdom arc, a random little girl in the Black Moon arc, Usagi herself in the Dead Moon arc), horrific human-to-Daimon transformations (Infinity arc), spontaneous combustion, and more. These moments are rare but contrast beautifully with the series' positive themes of love, friendship, hope, and optimism, in order to emphasize the villainous nature of the antagonists.

I think that if the manga is so filled with these moments then its hardly a surprise is it?

there is something to be said about the fact that clark is usually depicted having a full grasp on his powers by the time he moves to metropolis. im not sure if that would fall under Adaptational Wimp though

I'd rather wait and for his strength and powerset to solidify before calling him Adaptational anything. "In the comic he got laser eyes at age 12 but in the movie he didn't get them until age 20 but they're equally effective" would not be Adaptational Wimp.

bumping this.

I'm having a bit of trouble determining what trope this would fall under. Is this Adapted Out, Chuck Cunningham Syndrome, a meta-example of Unperson, or something else?

Should an enemy that follows a pattern of movements around an area, without any ability to alert other enemies, be Patrolling Mook, or something else?

Because I'm playing some Megaman Battle Network games, and there's enemies that do things like "go up, then when they hit a wall, go down, and go up on hitting a wall, etc." just along one column of the enemy field

Edited by Malady on Jul 9th 2023 at 10:37:11 AM