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Is anyone up to work with me in a Genius Bonus page for Pokemon? There are plenty of interesting facts, trivia and discussion that pertains to the animals, plants and concepts that the Pokemon are based on - at least a page of this kind could clear up some of the most obscure concepts for the worldwide fanbase.
I suggest we create a Just For Fun page for fan made Pokémon, gyms, and evil teams.
Does Espurr count as a Breakout Character?
The Espurr line seems pretty popular in fanart as well, possibly for its Creepy Cute aesthetic, and the fact that its ears are the only thing preventing its super-strong Psychic Powers from leaking out.
So, could I somehow place the Mistaken for an Imposter trope on the YMMV page, since I mistook Grace ( the Coordinator from the Hoenn Saga) for Jessie?
No, that's not how we do YMMV items.
There is a Pokemon support site called "We All Live In A Pokemon World". It is rather in depth and well researched. I wonder if it has a Trope page or is mentioned anywhere? And, if not, should it be?
Here is the site: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CEIQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kimsites.net%2Fpokemon%2F&ei=H2mTU7fxAaiJ8QHZ64HIBA&usg=AFQjCNH7yF6IyaIPwp-1W_qMNf-e_jZN5w&sig2=9TuZLgpwfkT8xSb6Arzwqg&bvm=bv.68445247,d.b2U
so is it pronounced poke-E-mon or poke-AY-mon?
'Po-KAY-mahn" or "Pok-uh-mahn"
You can hear this best at the very end of the first English opening.
How should the Pokédex 3D Pro be added in? Unlike the first one, it's actually got a trivia game built into it, so I think it should qualify as a Spinoff Game. I don't think it has enough to stand as its own page though, but it's got some ridiculous requirements for true 100% completion, which is what I really wanted to add.
Remember, There Is No Such Thing As Notability. You can probably go ahead with it, but just in case, check with a Mod first.
Where this goes? :s
On the Trivia tab.
What's wrong with the trope page for Pokemon + Nobunaga's Ambition? When I try to go to the page it redirects to Video Game Genres
This will happen when you need  trade with yourself.
Where this should be? :D
Oh, and I know what it is, but I won't say, lol.
Denjiman claims that this is false info:
Isn't Pokemon technically the Trope Namer for A Wild Rapper Appears!?
Trying to crosswick a page but I have no knowledge of Pokemon. Could someone who knows where this belongs copy it over?
The You Gotta Have Blue Hair trope: I can never figure out if Lucas and Dawn have blue hair or black hair. In the official artwork, it looks like it could be either, but, in the game and the anime, it's clearly blue. Please help.
About that Last bit of Fridge Logic:
Me: Surrender or I'll call the cops—
Lv. 100 Rayquaza *With Nasty-Looking Stare*: Surrender or DIE!
Guess which one Team Rocket/Plasma/Etc. is gonna surrender because of
Is Pokémon really the Trope Namer for Energy Ball? I wasn't around for the trope's creation, but it sounds like a really general name to me, at least more so than Bullet Seed or Brick Break. And when I checked the trope's history a while back, it appeared that Pokémon wasn't even mentioned on the trope page until sometime after it's creation, unfortunately the history doesn't go back that far anymore.
I'm actually pretty sure portal is the trope namer.
Actually in Portal, it's called the Aperture Science High Energy PELLET. It probably goes to Pokémon for trope naming, at least for now.
"Hello there! Welcome to the world of Pokémon! My name is [Oak/Birch/Rowan/Juniper]* Note that the lack of Professor Elm is not a mistake; Professor Oak introduces players to the game in all games where Professor Elm is the professor who gives out starting Pokémon. ! People call me the Pokémon Prof!"
The quote on the main page seems to be, largely, irrelevant pedantry. I can see the appeal of opening the page with the first lines heard in the game, but the footnotes and so on just clutter things up horribly. Wouldn't it nicer just to have Oak introduce the page?
"Hello there! Welcome to the world of Pokémon! My name is Oak! People call me the Pokémon Prof!"
I for one wouldn't mind it. I think that's the way it was before, then people decided to add the other Profs and others then decided to correct them, then added the footnote because people kept adding Elm back because they don't bother reading %%comments.
As I recall, one of them readded Elm, and added %%don't care NEXT TO the comment.
Is there a precedent for changing it? It's such a minor thing, but this is a high-traffic page and I don't particularly feel like making waves by going about it the wrong way.
I don't believe there is. You could edit it, state the reason and mention this discussion in the provided space, and then let what happens after go. If someone disagrees they can change it back, if not it'll stay.
@OldManHoOh Yeah, I saw that back then. It was obvious he was trying to make it look like he purposely went against it to hide his error, especially since he added the "don't care" in a separate edit.
Some of the text that got deleted was about the Pokémon games being the first to use multiplayer. It got wiped by homogenized cause he pointed out that there were other multiplayer games on the Game Boy... but I think he mistook the text as saying that the 'mon games were the ONLY ones to utilize multiplayer on GB, when it only said that it was one of the first games ever to start using it. I want to re-add that text, but I dunno if in fact Pokémon was one of the first games to use multiplayer.
Ugh, I feel old. The Game Boy had been out for over 6 years before Pokémon Red and Green were released. Do you really think that there were only a few multiplayer games in that huge span of time?
And I couldn't have mistaken the text, here it is, copy-pasted directly from the edit history:
"in fact, these games were the first to use the multiplayer capabilities of the Game Boy"
They were nowhere near the first. Seriously, being too young to know can only excuse so much. People should check their "facts" instead of coming straight here and posting what they read from places like 4chan and Game FA Qs.
The most accurate thing to say would be "one of the few multiplayer games on the gameboy" or something like that, because there were some before it, but there definitely weren't many multiplayer games on the gameboy at all. (not counting gbc games)
"Most likely the most important example of them all is the Dark type. The original name is Aku (Evil) and not the Japanese Dark equivalent Yami. This is why the various evil teams typically use Dark types, all Dark moves not named Dark Pulse or Night Daze are combat pragmatism bordering on just plain being a Jerk Ass, and over three Dark type families are based on criminal stereotypes."
Hmm... Let's see... note to self: Dark != evil. Go check on certain Dark-type Pokémon. I have a feeling that this either needs clarification or removal to another trope or something.
This is probably why everyone thinks Giratina was evil.
On Asskicking Equals Authority, I'm not sure Clay and Elesa are good examples. Most Gen V Gym Leaders have day jobs, Elesa being a fashion model and Clay being as of yet the most notable business man in the region, with hordes of actual employees.
"in fact, these games were the first to use the multiplayer capabilities of the Game Boy." I know this isn't wikipedia, but the above line from the Page is wrong. Tetris was the 1st game boy game to use the multiplayer capabilities.
What the hell's happened to Smogon's servers?!? I can't get onto any pages on the site... is it just me, or are others having this problem too?
I'm having problems as well.
Grrr... I wonder what happened...
Okay, Smogon's servers have been down for the last eight days. What the **** is going on?!?!?
Smogon is just like that sometimes. They've been down for longer before.
Why were all the Pokemon page names switched to the full ptitle? If there's some reason it absolutely had to happen, then fine, but it makes any potholes to the other games, or the anime, completely unreadable.
I'd like to request a warning be put up on the Pokemon main page regarding Bulbapedia. The website has infected or tried to infect two of my computers in the past two weeks with a Vundo Trojan style virus.
Actually, i'll put the warning up now and if the problem goes away we can remove the warning.
You sure about that? And it isn't your computer? I am not getting that at all. Sometimes, you need to check whether it's your stuff acting up or not. I think that part should be removed. Or if it shouldn't, report it in the forums. There's a thread for it: Bad Ad Reporting Thread. http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=29680
It could be that, although the two computers were at two separate residences, using two different OS's and Virus protections. (Windows XP with Norton, Windows 7 with Kaspersky) Not to mention that google searches turn up other users who have had the same problem. If the warning needs to be removed, i won't argue, it IS right at the top of the page. I'm just concerned about the state of other users comps, especially since Vundo has ruined my computers in the past.
Apparently, I got lucky and never got the offending ads. Anyway, they know about the problem and is resolving it. Hopefully this will come to a pass.
Is the problem gone? The warning was removed.
A new concern has arisen. Trying to link "Pokémon" using the "bracket equal tilde" method is now returning redlinks. The only pages that link to the current Pokémon page while using the é have the ptitle typed out in full.
Despite the name, the normal-type is not one example of the Badass Normal trope. The Badass Normal trope is someone without superpowers that is capable of fight side to side with super powered characters(Batman is the image example)
Your Normal type Snorlax can fight side-by-side with Dragons and stand in the same grounds.
Even going by that logic, the only badass normals would be Normal-types who don't have any access to moves of other types. Do any of those (outside of babies or something) actually exist? And adding to that, Hyper Beam is Normal-type but hardly adheres what a badass normal would be able to do.
Half of the Skitties and Delcatties in existence? Or is that bending the rules?
Skitty and Delcatty barely count as Badass...
Normal type is Non-Elemental and that's it.
by that logic so is fighting, psychic, dragon, steel and if you stretch it a bit ghost.
Fighting types that don't get force palm, aura sphere, focus blast or moves from any other type. Dragons normal, psychics normal. Dragon Breath and psybeam aren't super powers? Steel has as many special moves as fighting.
Stoutland are pretty awesome, with their giant mustaches. Plus, their data claims that they have saved people in snowstorms before, which is also quite awesome.
A lot of Pokemon tropes get put in the Anime-Manga section even when not referring to the anime or any manga.
..Shouldn't they be moved then?
When the Pokespe Fanime comes out, should there be a page for it under fanfictions?
About Pocket Monsters.
Can I use that link to make a Golden Boys page? That manga is very much unknown, and GB is more known and troperffic.
You can just make a new Golden Boys page. That way, you don't have to worry about redirecting searches for Golden Boys to Pocket Monsters.
Well, okay. But why exactly do we have an apparent Pocket Monsters page? That manga barely has any scans online, and I doubt that many Japanese tropers will help.
I honestly have no idea. It doesn't have anything on its page either.
The manga. I see there's a broken link to Pocket Monsters on the manga list. Why a manga that very few western people have access to? Why not Golden Boys or the Mystery Dungeon manga?
Removed because I played through the game and didn't see anything like that:
Not wanting to clutter up the Four-Girl Ensemble page discussion as the Tropers here would be better to ask then general Tropers; just want to doublecheck before I make a complete fool of myself:
Even though I haven't read either of the Magna and stopped at halfway through the game itself, I think I found an Intercontinuity example (of a Four-Girl Ensemble) in Pokemon Diamond And Pearl and its three main adaptations. Specifically, the female lead:
Why did Some Guy just delete a bunch of tropes from the page without explanation?
What? It said right there, "general cleaning".
All right, sorry. To be specific, what I deleted were the entries with Natter, and the entries which were misplaced. Since we now have individual pages for the Pokemon games, only tropes about the Pokemon series in general belong here. Tropes belonging to specific versions belong on the individual game pages.
Man, that must have taken forever. Definitely needed, though. I think we might need a disclaimer at the top of the page to put game-specific tropes on their own page.
About the first: This is not by censorship. This is from the original japanese version and there yet heve the graveyards of pokemons. About the second: well, the motive to they said "faint" is because, well, the pokemons REALLY are not supposed to have died,by umbelievable that this looks .
The fainting is more a case of staying away from Family Unfriendly Implications.
Nevertheless, Lavender Town is still a thing that exists.
I found this lonely page on Lucario and the Mystery of Mew and note that we don't have anything to cover the film pages.
Why are there two of them?
Explaining how to add the é symbol is nice and all, but I think it would be more efficient to enforce consistency by doing periodic sweeps of the page and replacing each instance with the correct one. Off the top of my head, I can think of:
<oldtext sed 's/[Pp]okemon/Pokémon' > newtext
(Yeah, I know the server runs on Windows, but it can be done, I'm sure).
Maybe the same person that went and manually "fixed" all the "e"s while complaining all the way a while back can do it.
He/she was the reason I added the instructions for typing the "é", since he/she apparently never stopped to think that maybe the reason why people were "typing it incorrectly" was because they didn't know how.
besides, you can always just do " e' ".
OH GOD I DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THAT
Would anybody be interested in moving the current Characters page (which is the anime one, in any case), and remplacing it with the individual species of Pokemon (or, better yet, families)? Asking, because those species is pretty much what every itineration of the franchise has in common, and, despite being a daunting task, is more appropiate for the hub of the franchise to have that, instead of having the characters of the anime. Just my opinion, anyway...
I don't get it. Try asking on the forum cause no one else seems to either.
What's with all the "PokĂ©mon" and "Pok?n" in articles instead of "Pokemon" or "Pokemon"? They don't even redirect anywhere.
A while ago all the unicode characters were going to hell. That seems to be all there is to it.
Would anyone be interested in adding Professor Oak, Ivy, Elm, Birch, Rowan, and other reoccurring characters such as Nurse Joy, Officer Jenny, and Ash, May, and Dawn's moms to the character sheet?
I'm not too familiar with all of them enough to get some tropes really fleshed out for them.
Pk MARIO insists that following fridge horror doesn't apply here, while I disagree. Removed lines:
The reasons given are that this horror is too cynical and doesn't fit in the Pokemon world. The Fridge Horror article has following to say: "Quickthaw: The nightmare fuel isn't there until you take a good, long, deep thought and think about it. Can occur at any age." which implies that the horror does not have to be authoritative. Furthermore, many of the examples under the article feature similar instances where the horror is far removed from the spirit of the world it is set in.
Am I alone with my opinions? There is no fridge horror in Pokemon? Having talking animals beat each other senseless isn't horror because it doesn't fit the spirit of the world?
"Doesn't fit the spirit of the world"? Who said it had to? I don't think Pk Mario gets the point of the trope, if that's his rationale.
Remember that the game canon is separate from anime canon, in the games most Pokemon make generic sounds or sounds that fit the animal they're based off of. Still, some of them are rather intelligent according to their Pokedex entries, and staging fights between living things regardless of intelligence can be considered horrific.
So, three against one that this would qualify? Would that make it okay for me to put it back in the article? Would some one else like to put it back, so it wouldn't be considered edit war? I'm kind of new here so I don't yet know how I should act in a situation like this.
The only problem I notice is that it could use a rewrite, aha ha. Well, that, and there's a small continuity crossover: Meowth only speaks in the anime, which has its own article, and is probably meant to have its tropes kept seperate from the games'.
We don't see what attacks do to Pokémon in the games; everyone assumes injuries are superficial as a result—an idea helped by fainted Pokémon being able to use HMs in the field. Despite that, some of them have absolutely horrific implications: Guillotine, Earthquake, Slash, Explosion, Self-Destruct… Then there's the Pokémon themselves, which range from: cute yellow mice; genetically altered psychics; ghosts made of poisonous gas; a creature that inflicts perpetual nightmares without intent; a dimension-hopping giraffe-dragon; a giant, frozen hockey mask that eats its prey after coating them in ice… One of the biggest Fridge Horror moments comes from the discovery that humans probably eat Pokémon like Miltank, Tauros, and Magikarp, with the latter being canon.
Really, if the series didn't honestly seem to be aiming for that E for Everyone rating, it wouldn't be a pretty little Gotta Catch 'Em All game anymore.
I don't think adding it back at this point would be considered an edit war.
I have a question about this, listed under The Scrappy entry, which concerns the Spiky/Notch-Eared Pichu:
Where exactly has this been confirmed? I've searched all the relevant pages on places like Serebii and Bulbapedia to confirm this for myself, and absolutely none of them say anything about it being replaced. [If it counts for anything, the cave in Tojo Falls where you encounter Giovanni in said event is still present in the English version, as is Elm talking about the Spiky-Eared Pichu being friends with Celebi or something like that when you take her to him.] This strikes me as odd either way; the Celebi event reveals a rather important bit of backstory about Silver and Giovanni, and Nintendo/Game Freak just randomly replacing it in this day and age, especially when they've been pretty good about the other event Pokemon the past couple of years, seems kind of absurd. [Though they DID replace the slots with Voltorb Flip in all non-Japanese versions, so I guess it can't be ruled out entirely.]
I'm pretty sure that entry was made before the game was released, and that the troper thought it was replacing the GS Ball event from GSC. The Giovanni event is still in the game; I've already done it with a cheating device.
Not replaced in coding replaced as in they skipped over the Celebii event and gave us Pichu instead, though Fridge Logic means you could apply that to any event we did get versus any we did not.
Should we maybe put closable folders on the Character page so there can be a section for game characters and anime characters? The game characters deserve their own tropes too, especially considering how dense the main page is.
Or if we split the page into the individual games, those could just have character pages I suppose...
I'm willing to help with this. We should probably divide it up by region, however, to make things easier to navigate.
Was this actually proved? I had assumed this was analogous to a placebo effect.
May I suggest splitting this off into a series article and an individual article for each set of games? It'd be far neater, and there are precedents.
While that's a reasonably good idea I have no idea how such a feat would be achieved logistically, considering the overlap in tropes between the games. It would require someone familiar enough with the whole series to be able to tell us which tropes appear in all of them and which only show up in a specific version.
The one problem I could see happening is there not being enough examples for individual game pages; otherwise, it's just a matter of devoting the time. There are bound to be plenty of tropes with knowledge of even the earliest games, so it could work.
Assuming this goes through, and you're taking volunteers, I'm up for working on the articles for Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald and newer.
I have the spare time, and the familiarity. I can do it; allow me to throw a tentative Gold/Silver/Crystal article together.
As I've only played the first two games of the series, I'm weary of helping myself for fear of spoilers. However, for all interested in affecting this split, I can assure you that your efforts are wanted and appreciated.
Here's what we can do to start out- Pokemon Red And Blue, Pokemon Gold And Silver, Pokemon Ruby And Sapphire, and Pokemon Diamond And Pearl are probably the most reasonable individual titles, as they describe the basic generations without getting overly long. You can save whatever progress you make on individual pages on the wiki proper- don't worry about bandwith or anything like that, as these pages won't likely receive Wiki Magic until the product is finished. The more annoying problem is having to delete individual tropes off of the Pokemon main page, although copy pasting could probably allow an individual user to perform both feats at the same time.
We can probably assume anyone familiar with Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum knows which series they fold into. Likewise with Fire-Red, Leaf-Green, Heart-Gold and Soul-Silver (Updated Re-release versions of the originals). Barring all that, the only real obstacle to completion of this project is the wherewithal to affect a split.
As an irrelevant incentive, I'll give a Made Of Win to the first troper to successfully split off one page.
Hmmmm... impressive. Didn't someone do this to Fire Emblem and each of its different respective continents? I vote to do the same for Pokémon, too. Someone should get started on this.
Why don't we split by generation? That'd be viable, I think.
Splitting by generation sounds good. I think a soft-split (like what's been done with the Lady Gaga page, in regards to person vs. works) to seperate the originals from the remakes might be in order, too.
How should we handle trope overlap? Obviously, things like Gotta Catch 'Em All are present in every single title, and would be placed on the main series page, but what about the ones that appear in only, say, two generations? Should they go to said generations' individual pages?
On a side note, I'm almost finished with Pokemon Ruby And Sapphire, at this point.
That's the main iffy point. If a trope only appears in two titles, then we should probably just list them in those two pages. Tropes like that tend to be plot elements anyway, and so would have to be contextualized in the case of each game.
An exception to this would be gameplay elements, like breeding. In which case those should be treated as universal and on the main page, but it should say "from generation II onwards" for the sake of reference.
So will we be doing character sheets for each game as well?
Sounds good to me. I'm assuming tropes related to Pokémon (e.g. Lanturn's Alluring Anglerfish/Dolphins, Dolphins Everywhere) should be included on the page for the games they come from?
Edit: A somewhat simple page Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald is here. Shall I go about removing entries on the main page?
That'd be fine by me. However, I would say FRLG should have their own pages, as opposed to sharing Red and Blue's. There's enough new content for it to be merited. Same for Gold and Silver versus their remakes.
EDIT: Lanturn is GSC.
Simple is fine. You can wait for Wiki Magic to do the rest or, if it's working too slowly for you, use the body text search to find mention of "Pokemon Ruby" and replace the Pokemon pot holes with Pokemon Ruby And Sapphire ones. Now that you have the basics done feel free to move tropes directly from the main page to the sub-page, and be sure to delete the originals. This page is way too long, and this split is a good thing.
On FRLG and HGSS, I'm not convinced there's enough new content to warrant their own pages, but I think there's probably enough that the tropes for those games should be listed separately on the Pokemon Red And Blue and Pokemon Gold And Silver pages compared to the ones that appear in all versions.
All right, I'm in the process of making a Ruby/Sapphire character sheet. I'll link it to the Ruby/Sapphire page when I'm done. And feel free to fix any formatting mistakes, it's my first time making a character sheet, so it could probably use some work.
Derp, I always make that mistake with Lanturn. I've performd a little Wiki Magic on my own for the main page, just to cut down on some of the clutter, and now I'll do a text search like you said.
Okay, Ruby and Sapphire now have a basic Character Sheet. I've only played Emerald, so add in any Ruby/Sapphire-only tropes. I'll throw together a quick character sheet for the other games, too.
I added really basic ones for DP Pt and RBG now, but I don't know what to do for cameo characters in GSC. Any thoughts?
Pokemon Red And Blue, as well as its accompanying character sheet, should have every trope originally listed on the series page. I'll get to pruning tomorrow, if someone else doesn't beat me to it. (It's time for sleep now.)
Should tropes from the anime be allowed on the character pages for the games?
Would the slots that are replaced by the card flip game in all but the Japanese versions of HeartGold and SoulSilver count as No Export for You?
I dunno, but something needs to said about it any case. I shouldn't actually need to play to get coins and get Flamethrower, Ice Beam, and Thunderbolt. ಠ_ಠ
derp wrong button.
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