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And as for #2, up until the writing of \\\"Return of the Scarlet Empress\\\", the entire Exalted game line was based on the premise that \\\'\\\'your characters\\\'\\\' would save Creation... hell, the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' reason the Realm is self-destructing in her absence in the first place is because \\\'\\\'she specifically set it up to happen that way\\\'\\\'. In the normal course of events, Mnemon (or Cathak Cainan, or several others) would entirely have been capable of performing her duties, if Her Redness had previously named them as her acknowledged heir (to avoid the civil war problem) and added them to the authorized user list of the Sword of Creation.

As for point #3, marrying the Ebon Dragon is not only not saving Creation, it is the act that (if successfully completed) will specifically doom Creation to become indistinguishable from Malfeas and release the Yozis out to plunge the world into eternal darkness.

So while the Exalted universe positively abounds with examples of BlackAndGreyMorality, the Scarlet Empress\\\' becoming the Queen of Hell is one of the few things in the setting that \\\'\\\'doesn\\\'t\\\'\\\'.

You\\\'d have a good case arguing that her \\\'\\\'initial\\\'\\\' reign as the Scarlet Empress qualified as BlackAndGreyMorality, though. She actually did save Creation at the founding of the Realm, and worked to preserve it up until RY 762. Its the whole Queen of Hell thing where she loses that status, which is why I boggle at the Queen of Hell being given as an alleged example \\\'\\\'of\\\'\\\' that. There\\\'s nothing really morally ambiguous about being the keystone of a plot masterminded by the embodiment of pure selfish evil to turn the entire world into an eternity of pain. Especially not when the trope itself applies to protagonists, and she\\\'s one of the primary antagonists of [=RotSE=].

And as for #2, up until the writing of \\\"Return of the Scarlet Empress\\\", the entire Exalted game line was based on the premise that \\\'\\\'your characters\\\'\\\' would save Creation... hell, the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' reason the Realm is self-destructing in her absence in the first place is because \\\'\\\'she specifically set it up to happen that way\\\'\\\'. In the normal course of events, Mnemon (or Cathak Cainan, or several others) would entirely have been capable of performing her duties, if Her Redness had previously named them as her acknowledged heir (to avoid the civil war problem) and added them to the authorized user list of the Sword of Creation.

As for point #3, marrying the Ebon Dragon is not only not saving Creation, it is the act that (if successfully completed) will specifically doom Creation to become indistinguishable from Malfeas and release the Yozis out to plunge the world into eternal darkness.

So while the Exalted universe positively abounds with examples of BlackAndGreyMorality, the Scarlet Empress\\\' becoming the Queen of Hell is one of the few things in the setting that \\\'\\\'doesn\\\'t\\\'\\\'.

You\\\'d have a good case arguing that her \\\'\\\'initial\\\'\\\' reign as the Scarlet Empress qualified as BlackAndGreyMorality, though. She actually did save Creation at the founding of the Realm, and worked to preserve it since. Its the whole Queen of Hell thing where she loses that, which is why I boggle at the Queen of Hell being given as an alleged example \\\'\\\'of\\\'\\\' that. There\\\'s nothing really morally ambiguous about being the keystone of a plot masterminded by the embodiment of pure selfish evil to turn the entire world into an eternity of pain. Especially not when the trope itself applies to protagonists, and she\\\'s one of the primary antagonists of [=RotSE=].

And as for #2, up until the writing of \\\"Return of the Scarlet Empress\\\", the entire Exalted game line was based on the premise that \\\'\\\'your characters\\\'\\\' would save Creation... hell, the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' reason the Realm is self-destructing in her absence in the first place is because \\\'\\\'she specifically set it up to happen that way\\\'\\\'. In the normal course of events, Mnemon (or Cathak Cainan, or several others) would entirely have been capable of performing her duties, if Her Redness had previously named them as her acknowledged heir (to avoid the civil war problem) and added them to the authorized user list of the Sword of Creation.

As for point #3, marrying the Ebon Dragon is not only not saving Creation, it is the act that (if successfully completed) will specifically doom Creation to become indistinguishable from Malfeas and release the Yozis out to plunge the world into eternal darkness.

So while the Exalted universe positively abounds with examples of BlackAndGreyMorality, the Scarlet Empress\\\' becoming the Queen of Hell is one of the few things in the setting that \\\'\\\'doesn\\\'t\\\'\\\'.

You\\\'d have a good case arguing that her \\\'\\\'initial\\\'\\\' reign as the Scarlet Empress qualified as BlackAndGreyMorality, though. She actually did save Creation at the founding of the Realm, and worked to preserve it since. Its the whole Queen of Hell thing where she loses that, which is why I boggle at the Queen of Hell being given as an alleged example \\\'\\\'of\\\'\\\' that.

PS: The Scarlet Empress\\\' stat block lists her motivation as \\\"Preserve Creation At All Costs\\\" as an \\\'\\\'option\\\'\\\'. The \\\'\\\'other\\\'\\\' option is \\\'None\\\', and its replaced with an Infernal Urge as she is akuma. Whether she consciously sought out this damnation for all (and thus is in CompleteMonster territory) or else she been hollowed out like a gourd and is just the Ebon Dragon\\\'s meat puppet, either way, its not BlackAndGreyMorality. There\\\'s nothing really morally \\\'\\\'ambiguous\\\'\\\' about being the keystone of a plot masterminded by the embodiment of pure selfish evil to turn the entire world into an eternity of pain. Especially not when the trope itself applies to protagonists, and she\\\'s the antagonist of [=RotSE=].

And as for #2, up until the writing of \\\"Return of the Scarlet Empress\\\", the entire Exalted game line was based on the premise that \\\'\\\'your characters\\\'\\\' would save Creation... hell, the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' reason the Realm is self-destructing in her absence in the first place is because \\\'\\\'she specifically set it up to happen that way\\\'\\\'. In the normal course of events, Mnemon (or Cathak Cainan, or several others) would entirely have been capable of performing her duties, if Her Redness had previously named them as her acknowledged heir (to avoid the civil war problem) and added them to the authorized user list of the Sword of Creation.

As for point #3, marrying the Ebon Dragon is not only not saving Creation, it is the act that (if successfully completed) will specifically doom Creation to become indistinguishable from Malfeas and release the Yozis out to plunge the world into eternal darkness.

So while the Exalted universe positively abounds with examples of BlackAndGreyMorality, the Scarlet Empress\\\' becoming the Queen of Hell is one of the few things in the setting that \\\'\\\'doesn\\\'t\\\'\\\'.

You\\\'d have a good case arguing that her \\\'\\\'initial\\\'\\\' reign as the Scarlet Empress qualified as BlackAndGreyMorality, though, as in many respects it did.

PS: The Scarlet Empress\\\' stat block lists her motivation as \\\"Preserve Creation At All Costs\\\" as an \\\'\\\'option\\\'\\\'. The \\\'\\\'other\\\'\\\' option is \\\'None\\\', and its replaced with an Infernal Urge as she is akuma. Whether she consciously sought out this damnation for all (and thus is in CompleteMonster territory) or else she been hollowed out like a gourd and is just the Ebon Dragon\\\'s meat puppet, either way, its not BlackAndGreyMorality. There\\\'s nothing really morally \\\'\\\'ambiguous\\\'\\\' about being the keystone of a plot masterminded by the embodiment of pure selfish evil to turn the entire world into an eternity of pain. Especially not when the trope itself applies to protagonists, and she\\\'s the antagonist of RotSE.

And as for #2, up until the writing of \\\"Return of the Scarlet Empress\\\", the entire Exalted game line was based on the premise that \\\'\\\'your characters\\\'\\\' would save Creation... hell, the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' reason the Realm is self-destructing in her absence in the first place is because \\\'\\\'she specifically set it up to happen that way\\\'\\\'. In the normal course of events, Mnemon (or Cathak Cainan, or several others) would entirely have been capable of performing her duties, if Her Redness had previously named them as her acknowledged heir (to avoid the civil war problem) and added them to the authorized user list of the Sword of Creation.

As for point #3, marrying the Ebon Dragon is not only not saving Creation, it is the act that (if successfully completed) will specifically doom Creation to become indistinguishable from Malfeas and release the Yozis out to plunge the world into eternal darkness.

So while the Exalted universe positively abounds with examples of BlackAndGreyMorality, the Scarlet Empress\\\' becoming the Queen of Hell is one of the few things in the setting that \\\'\\\'doesn\\\'t\\\'\\\'.

You\\\'d have a good case arguing that her \\\'\\\'initial\\\'\\\' reign as the Scarlet Empress qualified as BlackAndGreyMorality, though, as in many respects it did.

PS: The Scarlet Empress\\\' stat block lists her motivation as \\\"Preserve Creation At All Costs\\\" as an \\\'\\\'option\\\'\\\'. The \\\'\\\'other\\\'\\\' option is \\\'None\\\', and its replaced with an Infernal Urge as she is akuma. Whether she consciously sought out this damnation for all (and thus is in CompleteMonster territory) or else she been hollowed out like a gourd and is just the Ebon Dragon\\\'s meat puppet, either way, its not BlackAndGreyMorality. There\\\'s nothing really morally \\\'\\\'ambiguous\\\'\\\' about being the keystone of a plot masterminded by the embodiment of pure selfish evil to turn the entire world into an eternity of pain.

And as for #2, up until the writing of \\\"Return of the Scarlet Empress\\\", the entire Exalted game line was based on the premise that \\\'\\\'your characters\\\'\\\' would save Creation... hell, the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' reason the Realm is self-destructing in her absence in the first place is because \\\'\\\'she specifically set it up to happen that way\\\'\\\'. In the normal course of events, Mnemon (or Cathak Cainan, or several others) would entirely have been capable of performing her duties, if Her Redness had previously named them as her acknowledged heir (to avoid the civil war problem) and added them to the authorized user list of the Sword of Creation.

As for point #3, marrying the Ebon Dragon is not only not saving Creation, it is the act that (if successfully completed) will specifically doom Creation to become indistinguishable from Malfeas and release the Yozis out to plunge the world into eternal darkness.

So while the Exalted universe positively abounds with examples of BlackAndGreyMorality, the Scarlet Empress\\\' becoming the Queen of Hell is one of the few things in the setting that \\\'\\\'doesn\\\'t\\\'\\\'. She, along her husband, is now one of the setting\\\'s few 100% evil entities, and ceases to qualify.

You\\\'d have a good case arguing that her \\\'\\\'initial\\\'\\\' reign as the Scarlet Empress qualified as BlackAndGreyMorality, though, as in many respects it did.

PS: The Scarlet Empress\\\' stat block lists her motivation as \\\"Preserve Creation At All Costs\\\" as an \\\'\\\'option\\\'\\\'. The \\\'\\\'other\\\'\\\' option is \\\'None\\\', and its replaced with an Infernal Urge as she is akuma. Whether she consciously sought out this damnation for all (and thus is in CompleteMonster territory) or else she been hollowed out like a gourd and is just the Ebon Dragon\\\'s meat puppet, either way, its not BlackAndGreyMorality. There\\\'s nothing really morally \\\'\\\'ambiguous\\\'\\\' about being the keystone of a plot masterminded by the embodiment of pure selfish evil to turn the entire world into an eternity of pain.

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