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open Horrible lit Literature
I am trying to find a niche that enjoys reading horrible short stories... they are "family friendly", in that I don't use "shock" as a means to make it horrible. I enjoy making the dialogue bad, the plot inconsistent, mis-numbered chapter titles, inconsistent fonts, and use other literary no-nos to make it cringe-worthy.
The pseudonym I use on Amazon is Arsidious the Great Writer. Arsidious is a play off of darth sidious and Absurd.
just thought I would ask...
Edited by zarqnonopenWhen is a Shakespeare quote a ShoutOut? Literature
Lots of Shakespeare's lines are so famous that they constantly get repeated in pop culture. For instance the expression of "wear my heart upon my sleeve" comes from Othello to begin with.
But there's the rub—what counts as a Shout-Out? For instance, the "heart upon sleeve"-thing is just a common expression now, and most people who use it probably don't know that it comes from Othello. The same goes for the phrase "gilding the lily," a misquote from King John.
How do we determine when it's an actual Shout-Out?
Edited by MichaelKatsuroopenIs Harry Potter an everyman? Literature
Can Harry Potter be considered The Everyman in his series? Wikipedia defines everyman as "an ordinary individual with whom the audience or reader is supposed to be able to identify easily and who is often placed in extraordinary circumstances. The everyman character is constructed so that the audience can imagine themselves in the same situation without having to possess knowledge, skills, or abilities that transcend human potential. Such characters react realistically in situations that are often taken for granted with traditional heroes."
Harry, being the main character of the story, experiences much of the Wizarding World for the first time and ends up asking the questions we ourselves would ask if we found ourselves in those same situations, like the basic principles and general understandings of magic, the history of Hogwarts, the threat of Voldemort or the problems of wizarding society.
What do you think?
openHelp Literature
You know how novels like A Murder is Announced have their own pages, right?
I want to make pages for other novels that aren't on here, but I don't know how.
openApplicability of SurpriseIncest Literature
In a novel I am reading, two characters are lovers. The readers know that they have the same biological father, but the characters don't.
Does the trope Surprise Incest apply? Or will it only apply when the characters find out?
Edited by AzureOwlopenStory of Evil to Daughter of Evil? Literature
Due to the fact that the creator of the Evillious Chronicles has made a new Light Novel series called the "Story of Evil" separate from Evillious, I was hoping to change the "Story of Evil" Evillious character page to "Daughter of Evil" to avoid potential confusion, and because "Story of Evil" is a fan term while "Daughter of Evil" is the official name of the Light Novel series the characters come from.
There was a new page made for it and most of the other character pages linked to that, but it was (understandably) removed as being a duplicate. Can the Evillious Chronicles Daughter Of Evil page here be restored and the Evillious Chronicles Story Of Evil page here be deleted instead?
openIn Dubious Battle Literature
So I came across In Dubious Battle. It was created in 2012, is indexed, but only has one trope. The last edit - made last year - added an image but that's it.
Anyone familiar with this novel that can beef up the page?
openDesignated Heroes in fantasy books Literature
I must contest the use of Designated Hero in The Chronicles of Narnia and Harry Potter.
The main Designated Hero page says Aslan qualifies for the trope because:
- In The Magician's Nephew he grants all the animals the ability to speak, but he makes it so that if they continue to behave like natural animals, they will lose that gift. He also decrees that non-speaking animals will be the lowest class in the Narnian hierarchy, while humans will rule over everyone else. In hindsight he is making it so that animals who chose to follow their instincts and nature are the lowest of the low, while humans, who in reality don't have the best track record for living with natural things they can't control, get to rule all. Additionally, the morality of Narnia could be summed up like this: you're either with Aslan and you're "good", or you're with someone else or independent and you're evil.
- In The Horse and His Boy, he wounds Princess Aravis in the back because her handmaiden had helped Aravis escape her arranged marriage and was punished for it. Aslan intended that Aravis know the handmaiden's suffering, even though she didn't really deserve it and had gone through enough hell already.
- In Prince Caspian it's implied he turned a group of fat boys into pigs for no reason than that they were fat.
- In The Last Battle he does something that every other designated hero ever written would call him on, he outright destroys Narnia.
Since C. S. Lewis was a devoted Christian and Aslan was meant to be a fantastic version of Jesus Christ, I think this has more to do with religious differences than anything else.
As for Harry Potter, the YMMV page says that Harry and Hermione qualify for the trope because:
- Hermione is often accused of being this, as she usually painted as being in the right whenever she does something morally questionable, like jinxing the D.A. sign-up sheet to permanently disfigure traitors, knowingly leaving Umbridge with the centaurs so that they could do something traumatizing to her, and abusing Ron whether he deserved it or not.
- Harry Potter through the course of his adventures, despite the great demands of fighting a Dark Wizard, never stops slacking off his studies, breaks countless school rules, displays poor sportsmanship and rarely considering the interests of his team or how it could affect them and their standing when he goes off on his own, and in Book 6, via the Potions book, indulges in what is more or less academic plagiarism. Likewise, while painted as an All-Loving Hero he is shown using two of the Unforgivable Curses (Imperio and Crucio) without any reprimand from his peers and elders even if both are considered taboo In-Universe, and one of them is a curse that tortures people (which he used before the highly moral McGonagall).
J. K. Rowling said that Harry and his friends were never meant to be saints, they are fallible human beings that make mistakes, get angry and are forced into extreme circumstances, not to mention, the Harry Potter fandom is one of the most notorious and controversial fandoms in recent memory.
What do you say?
Edited by MasterHeroopenPage with no existing work Literature
While clicking the Random Media button, I came across the page for Linda. The page has four examples on it, and the description of the work claims that it's a short story hosted on a Google Document. Clicking on the provided link shows that the Document was deleted at some point, and I can't find any other copy of it online. There's no linked account for the author, the history for the page doesn't show who made it in the first place, and only five tropers (including myself at one point last year, to my surprise) have edited the page over the past 8 years.
I would like to ask what's the best course of action for a page like this. Do you cut the whole page, or do you toss it into the Unpublished Works section?
Courtesy link: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Literature.Linda
openInsisting My Immortal is a parody Literature
Reymma changed the last paragraph of the description of Atlanta Nights from:
to:
with the edit reason "Let's not pretend that My Immortal is not parody." The problem is it's not confirmed that My Immortal is parody; Rose Christo claimed she wrote it as satire, but her claims of authorship have been questioned.
openBook blurbs as summaries in work pages Literature
Is using the text of a publicly released book blurb as the story summary on that novel’s page allowed?
openRed links to the Back to the Future novel Literature
Lately, I've been seeing links to the article for George Gipe's novelization of Back to the Future as a Red Link, like so. However, the page itself is still intact. Worried about the page being cut, I took no chances and moved all of the examples from that page to the page for B to the F: The Novelization of the Feature Film in case. I checked the Recent Cuts page, but it's not there. I checkd the Cut List page, but it's not there either. Can someone tell me whether it's actually being cut or not?
openAnother Light Novel with a Long Name Literature
Another Light Novel adaptation was greenlighted into Anime, and it has a long name, how should I create the work page? Using the full name for now? Thanks in advance.
openFlynnbulwinter/darkelfwizard Literature
I have good to believe that a couple of "tropers" named Tropes/Flynnbulwinter and Tropers/darkelfwizard has been using the site as self-promotion for their indie fantasy book series,Anthologies of Ullord as Nikki Flynn and Edwin Dantes.
In the Ullord main work page, you could see in the edit history, that these people edited the pages themselves and putting elements in the trope pages.
They have not seem to stop, with them editing their own pages months ago. The Anthologies of Ullord are basic paint-by-numbers fantasy, which make this situation more odd. A troper suggested this to me after the High Crate "event."
I hope you would respond in kind,
S.V.
openBorderline Edit War on Andrzej Sapkowski Literature
The trope section of Creator.Andrzej Sapkowski is in large parts dedicated to bashing the author for various grievances that seem mostly to revolve around the author's negative commentary resp. legal battles regarding various adaptations of his works, and the author supposedly generally being an avaricious hypocrite (source: TV Tropes).
While the entire page could certainly need a big clean-up, an almost-Edit War has lately ignited over the following example of Disowned Adaptation:
- The Hexer movie. Sapkowski euphemistically expressed his negative opinion about the film: "I can answer only with a single word, an obscene, albeit a short one". What he carefully "forgets" to mention nowadays is the big pile of money he so eagerly took for selling the rights for adaptation and then started slandering the production the moment he realized there will be no second tranche of money. While the film is a disaster, Sapkowski is doing his best over the years to pretend he didn't help make it in such form in the first place.
Recently troper Revolutionary_Jack removed the last sentence of the entry, with the, in my opinion very reasonable, edit reason that
The deletion was restored (with a slight expansion regarding the author's "messy and utterly pointless copyright battle") by Dratewka. I myself got then involved by cutting everything after Sapkowski's statement on the movie, on the grounds of it not actually belonging there in the first place.
Dratewka has again reverted the example, the only change being a further expansion in form of a lengthy note, the point of which seems to be the argument that the author is to be blamed for the movie being bad. Edit reason:
Courtesy link to the edit history.
I'd be glad for other tropers or a mod to weigh in.
Edited by LordGroopenWriting a New Page Literature
There's this fanfic on fimfiction that I read called "Shattering a Heart of Darkness" and I would like to create a page on this site about it but I don't know how.
Edited by nombretomadoopenEdit war over an unapproved complete monster entry Literature
The troper Uzi has added multiple complete monster entries without visiting the thread first. As demonstrated by the unapproved addition of a CM entry for the already downvoted Sophia lamb. In one of these cases The lost world they even Edit Warred and readded it after removal. This work was also on the never again list as well.
openYMMV Page for Aristophanes Literature
I note that the YMMV page for this creator has been erased in the past.
However, in the absence of pages for many of his lesser works, his Creator page doubles as a trope page for each of them, and further, I note that his fellow ancient Greek playwrights all do have YMMV pages. Can this page be recreated?
I was hoping to add the following.
- Vindicated by History: Aristophanes rarely proved a favorite of the contests in his own time (The Knights, a patriotic play that skewered his lifelong nemesis Cleon is a rare exception), but in modern times he is about the only Greek comedian most people who aren't scholars of the period have heard of, or laughed at, today. Having been one of the few whose work has survived the ages probably helps.
Jane Eyre has a massive entries-long discussion under Values Dissonance complete with use of the first person. However a lot of the points they bring up about the historical context for it are valid and interesting to note despite clearly violating page etiquette. It's clear that it needs to be completely rewritten. How should we go about doing so?