Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
Manga Brainrot 🦋
- Once Upon A Time David (13,639 bytes)
- Merged
- Once Upon A Time Emma Swan (35,316 bytes)
- Merged
- Once Upon A Time Henry Mills (19,254 bytes)
- Merged
- Once Upon A Time Snow White (23,212 bytes)
- Merged
- Sherlock John Watson (17,970 bytes)
- Nowhere else to put him
- Smallville Clark Kent (30,441 bytes)
- Merged
- Smallville Lex Luthor (30,253 bytes)
- Merged
- The Walking Dead TV Show: Gabriel Stokes (37,306 bytes)
- The Walking Dead TV Show: Michonne (35,818 bytes)
- The Walking Dead TV Show: Morgan Jones (32,558 bytes)
- The Walking Dead TV Show: The Governor (37,887 bytes)
Now what's left is to check the bytes for is the many Doctor Who pages for Live-Action TV pages to be done
Edited by KhunRun on Aug 8th 2021 at 7:51:05 AM
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
The only one I could see maybe keeping is Emma, as she is that close, and John Watson as I don't know where to put him.
Edited by Bullman on Aug 6th 2021 at 5:30:59 AM
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Goku Black
Kinda weird Emma's smaller then Rumple and Regina. Despite being the protagonist.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
People love a good villain.
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Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
So WAS that Lupin stuff a ban-evader?
Also, people, when merging, please don't forget to update Character Specific Pages That Affect Locked Pages.
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The Moron
I haven’t gotten a mod response yet - I’ll let you know as soon as I do
I’m not in the mood to go through the Arrowverse pages again at the moment, but I’ll give the Buffyverse pages a look
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Aug 7th 2021 at 10:22:29 AM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I did some looking the Arrowverse pages and the only one I think could get the page is Lena Luthor (41, 763 bytes). Though Lex and Felicity are ones to watch out for.
Edited by Bullman on Aug 7th 2021 at 11:44:01 AM
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The Moron
So from the Buffyverse pages, here's the count of important ones:
- From Characters.Buffy The Vampire Slayer Scooby Gang Originals:
- Willow Rosenberg: 44,046
- Characters.Buffy The Vampire Slayer Buffy Summers: 117,972
- From Characters.Buffy The Vampire Slayer Scooby Gang Former Members:
- From Characters.Buffy The Vampire Slayer Scooby Gang Later Additions:
- Characters.Buffy The Vampire Slayer Faith Lehane: 66,260
Cordelia and Wesley on Characters.Angel Investigations clock in at about 35,000 each, but other than that, no one comes close. Soooo the pages are a bit of a mess in general (for some reason, Characters.Buffy The Vampire Slayer Scooby Gang is an index within an index), so I'm gonna do some reorganizing and make Willow her own page once it's done.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Aug 7th 2021 at 1:34:14 PM
Angry babby
Should The Nostalgia Critic: Other Characters be further split? Hyper Fangirl's folder in particular has surpassed 8,000 words and even after cleanup I don't know how much shorter it would be. If nothing else, we could split Malcolm and Tamara's characters into their own subpages, similar to The Nostalgia Critic: Doug's Characters.
On the flip side, The Nostalgia Critic Rob Walker The Other Guy only has 1,211 words and should be merged back.
Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 7th 2021 at 2:22:21 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
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I agree.
I am not surprised that Willow is the only other one who could get one.
Everyone cool with a Lena page.
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Angry babby
I created The Nostalgia Critic: Malcolm's Characters and The Nostalgia Critic: Tamara's Characters. After cleanup I'll see if they still warrant further splitting, but for now it seems good.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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I got some backlash for creating a page for a league of legends character. Though I don't really know if there was actually a given reason for it:
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I made Arrowverse: Lena Luthor, but the crossick is going slow due to my computer overheating. It would be easier if every page wasn't listed on every Arrowverse page.
Edited by Bullman on Aug 7th 2021 at 3:01:40 AM
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Manga Brainrot 🦋
Is Once Upon A Time Emma Swan close enough at 35,316 bytes? If so, most of the Walking Dead pages below 40,000 bytes are staying if we're going to change the cut-off for what's close enough
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The Moron
You can probably merge her with Henry - that puts them in their own spot with enough bytes, and if not you can just merge her into the main character folder - and all the WD stuff has other pages they can merge into, though I’d personally wait since there’s a last season on the way and it might push any of them over
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Aug 8th 2021 at 10:26:09 AM
Manga Brainrot 🦋
I'd rather not make Duo-Specific Pages unless they're always together and come in a pair, so I'll just merge Emma to the Main Characters page. I'll leave the Walking Dead pages as is then if there's gonna be a last season that can push the pages over 40,000
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Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Shit, aside from Amanda Waller and Batman Who Laughs, Aquaman Black Manta is almost DEFINITELY too small.
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Manga Brainrot 🦋
- Doctor Who – Sarah Jane Smith (21,416 bytes)
- Merged
- Doctor Who – Leela (11,067 bytes)
- Merged
- Doctor Who – Martha Jones (15,694 bytes)
- Merged
- Doctor Who – Donna Noble (21,220 bytes)
- Merged
- Doctor Who – Amy Pond (28,552 bytes)
- Merged
- Doctor Who – Rory Williams (27,956 bytes)
- Merged
- Doctor Who – Danny Pink (20,205 bytes)
- Merged
- Doctor Who – Ashildr (18,310 bytes)
- Merged
- Doctor Who – Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart (16,372 bytes)
- Merged
With that, byte check for Live-Action TV is now completed.
Edited by KhunRun on Aug 9th 2021 at 1:00:42 AM
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Goku Black
Amy and rory could be combined.
Since their an iconic duo
Clara looks fine to me. 180 000 bytes is way more than enough
Edited by miraculous on Aug 9th 2021 at 7:22:54 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Manga Brainrot 🦋
Accidentally put Clara even though she's much higher than the requirement.
There's enough room there, so I'll put Amy and Rory back in Doctor Who – Revival Series Companions.
Edited by KhunRun on Aug 9th 2021 at 12:41:22 PM
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Manga Brainrot 🦋
Now moving onto Video Games:
- Kingdom Hearts: The Master of Masters (29,802 bytes)
- Merged
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Sothis (26,946 bytes)
- Mass Effect - Kaidan Alenko (35,412 bytes)
- Knights of the Old Republic - Revan (22,103 bytes)
Now (I think) all the Character Specific Pages on the indexes have been checked now that the Video Game ones are done. Now need to cleanup/figure out what to do with these last three
Edited by KhunRun on Aug 9th 2021 at 2:36:32 AM
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A follow up on this post.
Dragon Age: This franchise had NO character-specific pages other than that of the Warden, while a lot of character sections meet the requirements. I created 11 new character-specific pages, all added to the sandbox (+ the Warden themselves):
- Dragon Age – Alistair (42 808 bytes)
- Dragon Age – Anders (70 489 bytes, includes his Superpowered Evil Side)
- Dragon Age – Cassandra Pentaghast (54 845 bytes)
- Dragon Age – Cullen Rutherford (48 365 bytes)
- Dragon Age – Fenris (50 733 bytes)
- Dragon Age II – Hawke (65 002 bytes)
- Dragon Age – Merrill (44 482 bytes)
- Dragon Age – Morrigan (46 071 bytes)
- Dragon Age – Leliana (48 103 bytes)
- Dragon Age – Loghain Mac Tir (45 693 bytes)
- Dragon Age: Origins – Playable Characters – The Warden (95 303 bytes)
Checking the remaining pages- 6 more pages to be created:
- Dragon Age: Inquisition – Leaders:
- The Inquisitor - 10 440 words, 61 721 bytes => split off
- Josephine - 2 737 words, 16 222 bytes - ok, move to another page
- and cut the page
- Dragon Age: Inquisition – Warriors:
- Blackwall - 6048 words, 35 177 bytes - ok, move to another page
- The Iron Bull - 7 563 words, 43 251 bytes => split off
- and cut the page
- Dragon Age: Inquisition – Mages:
- Dorian - 6 580 words, 38 617 bytes - ok, move to another page
- Solas - 13 041 words, 74 884 bytes => split off
- Vivienne - 8 692 words, 51 553 bytes => split off
- and cut the page
- Dragon Age: Inquisition – Rogues:
- Cole - 6 967 words, 39 663 bytes => split off? 300 bytes below the criteria
- Sera - 14 064 words, 81 866 bytes => split off
- and cut the page
- Dragon Age: Inquisition – Staff - 19 characters, 8 029 words, 47 644 symbols - ok
- Dragon Age: Inquisition – Agents - 18 characters, 7 300 words, 43 821 symbols - ok
- Dragon Age: Inquisition – Trainers - 9 characters, 1 577 words, 9 836 symbols - too short/merge?
- Dragon Age: Inquisition – Multiplayer - 16 characters, 3 099 words, 18 308 symbols - too short/merge?
- Dragon Age: Inquisition – Antagonists - 17 characters, 12 354 words, 72 595 symbols, all character sections are short - ok
- Dragon Age: Inquisition – Non-Playable Characters - 22 characters, 21 075 words, 123 714 symbols, all character sections are short - ok
- Dragon Age: Inquisition – DLC - 19 characters, 8 431 words, 50 209 symbols - ok
Upd 6 more pages were created:
- Dragon Age – Cole (39 700 bytes)
- Dragon Age: Inquisition – The Inquisitor (61 777 bytes)
- Dragon Age – The Iron Bull (43 288 bytes)
- Dragon Age – Sera (81 903 bytes)
- Dragon Age – Solas (74 921 bytes)
- Dragon Age – Vivienne (51 590 bytes)
All Dragon Age pages were checked.
Edited by Asherinka on Aug 10th 2021 at 12:38:07 PM
Has anyone checked Westworld? Judging from Character Specific Pages Byte Check, it still needs to be done.
And it is Live-Action TV, so Live-Action TV is NOT done, I don't know why it is marked as such.
Edited by Asherinka on Aug 9th 2021 at 6:42:47 PM
The Moron
It’s marked done because they were never indexed on the specific pages index
Again anyone else in the Arrowverse that might need a page? Or the Buffyverse?
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