Soft Split Cleanup

You're right. They should go to Powered by a Forsaken Child if they fit there.

EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.Video Games

This page has a very strange split. Not only is it sorted by genre (which is already discussed earlier to be not efficient for many reasons), role-playing games are split into its page EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.Role Playing Games again. So it has double splits across separate pages, and many works like Metal Gear, Gears of War, Splatoon and Minecraft end up in "Other" tab simply because they don't fit this split.

The page is a mess. I suggest to sort them into alphabetical order, which is already done in other pages like EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.Live Action TV.

If EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.Video Games were to be re-sorted strictly into alphabetical order, then it would be good to have separate pages for A-M and N-Z as having a single page would make the page too long.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Dec 2nd 2023 at 12:33:25 PM

It seems that the general consensus is that sorting films and video games by genre is a bit pointless in most cases.

Video Game Tropes are nine times out of ten sorted by genre. Should we create a separate clean-up thread for them?

And another for films, though for them, it's mostly an issue in trope subpages rather than in Film Tropes per se.

I think Video Game Tropes to be sorted by genre is pretty reasonable because many have a specific form in certain genres, which gives them unifying theme. Stance System, for example, has a relatively concrete form in fighting games, and sorting it by genre makes it easy to group them. It still has a multi-genre issue like I mentioned, but there are merits to do that way.

I find few merits to do this on non video game centric tropes like Early-Installment Weirdness. When the trope has little relation to video game genres, I see no point making 20-something folders on video games just to sort them (and leaving tons of video games on "Other" folder in spite of it).

Speaking of, any more suggestion on how to deal with EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.Video Games mentioned on #527?

Fair enough.

I was thinking about soft-splitting the Literary Tropes index into two categories: literary formats and writing. The former would cover tropes like Double-Sided Book and Short Story, while the latter would list tropes like Left Field Description and Spell My Name with a Blank.

The reason is that there's a pretty clear distinction between tropes that are about books as media and tropes exclusive/born from narrative literary techniques.

I think that page should just be sorted alphabetically.

On that note, I've noticed that Summary.Video Games was recently soft-split by genre. However, I think it should be changed back, not just because I think these categories are overly broad, which also makes it harder to find specific games if you're not sure where to look, but also because these folders/headers are unnecessarily bloating the page (which is already at risk of getting too long). What do you think?

Sandbox.Early Installment Weirdness Video Games Split Cleanup

I created this sandbox page for cleanup. Will split the pages for A-M and N-Z when it's done.

Sounds like a fair idea, though I wonder where genre like Slice of Life falls into.

That genre split is pretty bad for summary. The page is purely about wiki editing and soft splits like that only make the sorting difficult. Folders themselves are pretty arbitrary and clash with the other pages. Why do License Games have their own folder and why are they split into genres again? I agree with removing them.

Are you guys good if I soft split Nose Tropes into appearance and odor?

It seems odd to find Gag Nose (an appearance trope) placed besides Good Smells Good (odor)

x3 I was thinking about adding a genre category, so stuff like Young Adult and Slice of Life go separate from Doorstopper and Page-Turn Surprise.

I just added Good Hair, Evil Hair to the cleanup sandbox.

×4 The licensed games had their own folder even before the soft split by genre. Should that be un-split too?

Licensed games seem to have a separate folder because they usually share the namespace with the original work. It serves a purpose so I say leave it be.

I was thinking that we should revert the soft-split in Auto-Pilot Tutorial. Examples are divided into "takes full control", which is the same as Forced Tutorial, and "forces a specific step", which is riddled with examples that don't fit.

I Just Want to Have Friends examples and description are separated by type labels, and I'm having hard time differentiating between the two.

Edited by Amonimus on Dec 31st 2023 at 2:04:07 PM

Perusing the examples, they seem to be all mixed-up, which doesn't bode well for both the soft-split and the description's label classification.

x7 Seems like a sensible soft-split for me.

I've reverted the split on Summary.Video Games.

I thought the Video Game Summary split was okay because the other pages such as Summary.Literature and Summary.Live Action Films do that, too.

Edited by TroperNo9001 on Jan 1st 2024 at 5:07:55 PM

Might be worth considering reverting those too.

Literary Work of Magic has its examples split into "Shakespeare", "Dracula", and "others". The trope is, citing the laconic, when 'a Real Life fictional work has an agenda in the universe of another.'

So, it might seem sensible to group together the works who tend to be on the receiving end more often. However, Shakespeare's plays are as varied as they come and it makes little sense to put them all together. Additionally, the trope has less than 20 examples so it's not like the split is doing much to begin with.

I suggest reverting it.

I disagree, the genres are convenient to me. Keep them on the Live-Action summary page.

I wouldn't revert the Musicians one either (granted it's been that way from the get-go, but by virtue of being split from Summary.Music for getting on the long side when the effort was done before that point). Sure, for Music they're at an semi-alphabetical basis on account of the output of artists (and those album requests are listed chronologically), but for the various genres on the Musicians page it's a useful guide for whatever tastes an individual troper has. Granted, some of those acts can be hard if they aren't pigeonholed, but a lot of those seem to be alternative/indie acts.

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Jan 2nd 2024 at 10:09:46 AM

I finished fixing up EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.Video Games, which now shows all subpages coherently instead of double splits in the previous version.

Regarding Summary.Live Action Films, it at least should be cleaned up to show how many subpages it currently has. There are links like Summary.Action Movie and Summary.Horror Films hidden in folders, which makes it difficult to find what the page actually has.

Here's my attempt at soft-splitting the Nose Tropes. How does it look? Any edits I could do to the headers?

Tropes:

Action-related

• Affectionate Gesture to the Nose: A character does something affectionate (i.e. gently tapping it, kissing it, etc.) to another character's nose.
• Nasal Weapon: Using one's own nose as a means of attack.
• Nose Shove: Pushing objects into one's nose.
• Nose Tapping: When a character taps their nose, they "know" something.

Appearance-related

• Gag Nose: A character has a comically bulbous nose.
• The Noseless: A character who doesn't have a nose.
• Nostril Shot: A close-up view of a character's nostrils.
• Sinister Schnoz: A villain with a pointy nose.
• Sizable Semitic Nose: Jews, Arabs, and other Semitic peoples are depicted with large, hooked noses.

Comedy-related

• Nose Nuggets: Jokes about boogers and/or snot.
• Snot Bubble: A bubble of snot from one nostril that inflates and deflates in sync with the breathing and/or snoring of sleeping characters.
• Spraying Drink from Nose: Forcing milk or another drink or liquid out of one's nose during laughter.

Injury-related (sickness)

• Congestion Speak: When a character in a written work has a stuffy nose, their dialogue replaces certain consonants.
• Deadly Nosebleed: Dying person bleeds from their nose.
• Inconvenient Itch: A character has an itch they can't scratch.
• Nasal Trauma: Something unpleasant happens to a character's nose.
• Nosebleed: Nosebleeds equal sexual attraction.
• Psychic Nosebleed: Powerful psychic abilities cause epistaxis.

Odor-related

• Anticipatory Breath Spray: A character anticipating a kiss makes sure their breath doesn't stink.
• Clothespin Nose Plug: Using a makeshift nose plug to block out a bad smell.
• Evil Smells Bad: Evil beings smell awful.
• Follow Your Nose: A character flies to a smell that goes to their nose.
• Good Smells Good: Good beings smell wonderful.
• Humans Are Smelly: Humans always smell bad to other species.
• The Nose Knows: Super powerful smelling abilities.
• Perfumigation: A character creating or wearing perfume, cologne, or other kind of scent which they think is great, but it actually draws reactions of revulsion from others.
• Perverted Sniffing: When a character audibly sniffs another character, indicating they have an unhealthy and often very creepy attraction to them.
• Signature Scent: A character with a smell that instantly identifies them.
• Smells of Death: A character who's either dead or close to dead will smell bitter, dirty, or rotting.
• Sniff Sniff Nom: Sniffing something before biting, eating, or licking it.
• Stinky Flower: A flower that smells bad.
• Visible Odor: A visible, sometimes color-coded, smell.
• Wilting Odor: A smell so awful it degrades the environment.

Sneezing

• Anti-Sneeze Finger: Someone puts their finger near their nose to try and prevent themselves from sneezing.
• "Aww"-choo: Sneezes that sound and/or look cute.
• Couldn't Find a Tissue: Blowing your nose on something definitely not meant to be a tissue.
• Freeze Sneeze: A character sneezes from being cold.
• Ill-Timed Sneeze: A character sneezes at the worst possible time.
• Pepper Sneeze: Inhaling pepper makes you sneeze.
• Sneeze Cut: You sneeze when you are mentioned or talked about elsewhere.
• Sneeze Interruption: A joke or plot point about someone being interrupted by a sneeze.
• Sneeze of Doom: A character's sneeze is damagingly powerful.

Alright, no objections, so I'm going through with the soft split.